White House Comes Clean: No Protest Outside Libya Consulate

Originally posted by 00nunya00
See, this is why I keep saying the folks who don't want Obama re-elected need to quit posting stupid BS half-baked weakly supported conspiracy theories like the birth certificate, Muslim claims, and blatantly spun interpretations of his words.

YOU HAVE PLENTY OF *CREDIBLE* EXAMPLES OF WHY HE SUCKS! When you come at people with facts like this and leave out the high-fives and chest-thumping, people who support Obama will actually listen to you and maybe change their minds. They are never, ever going to change their minds when it feels like you're picking on Obama unfairly. People like myself, who used to be head-over-heels for him in 2008, are only going to wake up when they are shown respect and are given a sincere and genuine argument free from unnecessary snark and partisanship. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Facts like this did come out before he was ever elected. Facts like his communist connections with Frank Marshall Davis, and his parents communist leanings plus them working for the CIA. Stuff like Bill Ayers the terrorist throwing Barack a party at his home. People who like Barack because of his leftist leanings will continue to like him no matter what.
Look how many scandals there have been....the Fast and Furious scandal, the Rahm Emanuel scandal, the Tony Wiener scandal. Look at the things this admin has done....forcing socialized medicine and all the shady deals they did to get people to vote for it., the Blageovic scandal. And people still like him on top of all that stuff.
Where has the investigation of Fast and Furious gone? The same way the 9-11 Commission went?
When Clinton was impeached, the Monica Lewinsky affair was just the tip of the iceberg. Not taken into account was all the dirty dealings he was doing that had nothing to do with an intern. Chips to China and so on. It's what the media didn't focus on that was the problem.
I would hope that this new scandal now involving coverups for their inability to adequately protect our people overseas in a crazy environment will finally get some traction but I am not counting on it. This POTUS has gotten away with outrageous stuff, including going to Libya without approval of Congress. Nobody wants to handle the hot potato, including sitting judges.

reply to post by FlyersFan


See you are another one that is denying reality so you can feel good about supporting a non christian. Read my above post.

It explains from a christian organization why mormons aren't christian. No christian orgs consider mormons christian. They do not believe in Christ the same way.

Again i will post this:

The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Here is a basic list.

There is only one God in all existence (Exodus 20:1-4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5).
Jesus is divine (John 1:1;14; 8:24; Col. 2:9)
Forgiveness of sins is by grace alone without works (Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 3:28; 4:1-5)
Jesus rose from the dead physically (John 2:19-21; Luke 24:39)
The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus (1 Cor. 15:1-4)

Mormonism denies that there is only one God in all existence and also denies the forgiveness of sins alone in Christ alone.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


So your retort is based on the CARM website??
Why not just provide us with a "ask Jeeves" result as well.
I love the internet, but is sure has taken away actual investigation and research skills from people.

reply to post by macman


NO I am not. It is not my opinion I am sharing with you.

Mormons are not considered Christians by any Christian organization.
You guys are seriously deluding yourselves so you can feel ok about voting for a non christian it is seriously that simple.

Again, i will post this link for YOU TO READ
link

It explains why fundamentally Mormons are not Christians. It isn't something you can argue. You are just wrong there are things that make you a Christian and Mormons do not fit in with those beliefs.

So again I say once and for all, it is very progressive of you guys to be supporting a non christian candidate, you are, sorry, get over it and accept it.

House Oversight Committee is getting an earful of truth. Cold ugly truth, that ended in the deaths of good honest Americans.....

Lt. Col Andrew Wood, stated he didn't care if his testimony ended his career. He had to to it as an American...

Jay Carney still a no-show for WH press conference...wonder what stalled that spin-o-rama show....

Des

reply to post by macman


No. That is just the first one. As I said, you will not find one Christian organization that agrees with you, because you are wrong.

Here is another:

The Central Question: Who is God? What Mormons will say they believe about God: We believe in God the Father who is the Father of Jesus Christ. We worship God the Father and pray to him in Jesus’ name. Jesus is our Savior. Why the Mormon God the Father is not the Christian God the Father: “God the Father” to a Mormon is not God the Father, first Person of the Holy Trinity, Whom Christians confess. He is one of many gods (D&C 130: 22-23). The Mormon worships God the Father because He is the god of this planet, but other planets have other gods equal to or even greater than God the Father. (Joseph Smith King Follett Discourse, 1844). The Mormon “God the Father” had a father and was once a man on a planet who worshiped his own Father God. He was subsequently exalted to godhood. He has a physical, human body (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345). It is the hope of the male Mormon to progress to the point where he too will be a god like God the Father and be ruling over his own planet (Ibid, p. 346,7) The Mormons have a saying: “What man is, God once was; what God is, man may be” (LDS Church President Lorenzo Snow’s summation). This is polytheism.

I like how you tried to act like that first source wasn't worth anything and was my only argument. Sorry Christians only believe in "one true god" and Mormons don't.


different source.
LINK

reply to post by macman


Listen you have actually dragged me off topic. You are in absolute denial to a scary level. Mormons are NOT Christians and I am starting to worry that you guys really have deluded yourself into believing this lie so you can justify voting for Romney.

You can live the lie if you want, but if you want to be true to yourself you can do five seconds of research and find out why no Christians AT ALL consider Mormons to be part of Christianity.

If you want I can private message you 50 more sources. You are dead wrong here and nothing will ever change that. If this factors into how you are voting you need to understand that you are voting for a non Christian candidate.

FACT>

Here is what Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith said about christians:

Historically, only until recently have Mormons wanted to be called Christians, preferring not to be included with Christian denominations which Joseph Smith said were, ". . .all wrong...all their creeds were an abomination in his sight, and that those professors (Christians) were all corrupt." (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith, 2:18-19)

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
See you are another one that is denying reality so you can feel good about supporting a non christian.

1 - I am not supporting Romney. I already voted for Gary Johnson via absentee ballot.

2 - Big main stream christian religions say that Mormons aren't christian because they don't believe in the same kind of christianity as they do. These main stream christian religions made up a list of what is necessary to for them to consider others as 'christian'. That's poppycock on their part. Being a 'Christian' means being CHRIST-ian. Following Christ as best you understand him.

That's like having 4 kids playing in a tree house and 3 of them get together to arbitrarily make up rules saying that the 4th can't play in the tree house because the 4th kid has freckles or something. Kinda silly.

3 - Watch the southpark episode link I posted. You'll find it funny and you will also come to know that I very much do understand what the Mormons believe. I do not share their belief at all. I see it easily debunked. But that is THEIR brand of Christian-ity. Just as Baptists have theirs and Catholics have theirs and Amish have theirs .. etc etc

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by jibeho

 

Doesn't matter. If you want to deny that the US gave them weapons go ahead all you want (it only makes Obama look better), but they did in fact give them weapons as well has help them with bombing runs via the UN.

Help them with bombing runs via the UN?? You are clearly out of the loop.

The US and NATO forces conducted the actual strikes. The US and British navies fired more than 100 tomahawk cruise missiles in an effort to enforce the UN security council resolution of 1973 and launched a number direct air attack missions using a wide variety of US strike and tactical air craft. That goes beyond a little "help"....

What weapons did we give them again??

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
NO I am not. It is not my opinion I am sharing with you.

No, it is your opinion, and the opinion of the CARM website.
I did not realize that YOU and CARM were the sole arbiter of what is and what is not.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
Mormons are not considered Christians by any Christian organization.

Funny, as again, I did not realize that other Christian based religions get to pick and choose.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
You guys are seriously deluding yourselves so you can feel ok about voting for a non christian it is seriously that simple.

But, but but...I thought religion didn't matter?
You are more concerned with his faith then most others. Quit telling about your character and background.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
Again, i will post this link for YOU TO READ
link

AGAIN.......................Nice to see that you rely on a website to tell you this or that.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
It explains why fundamentally Mormons are not Christians. It isn't something you can argue. You are just wrong there are things that make you a Christian and Mormons do not fit in with those beliefs.

Actually, it appears that you have never really researched the LDS faith on your own.
You should think for yourself, instead of allowing a website to dictate it.
My offer still stands. I would love to chat with you as to the inaccuracies of your info and theory.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
So again I say once and for all, it is very progressive of you guys to be supporting a non christian candidate, you are, sorry, get over it and accept it.

I could care less what anyone's faith is. It appears again, that you are more focused on this then many others.

reply to post by FlyersFan


No. I have seen the South Park and I am agnostic but took theology and bible as literature. One of my best friends went from atheist to Mormon. Again I pose to you, the differences between Christian and Mormon go to the core. Mormons want to be mainstream so they claim Christianity, but they aren't. Christians know that Mormons aren't Christian because they don't believe Christ is the one true god and that is the whole basis for Christianity.

Also again i post to you Joseph Smiths opinion of Christians:

Historically, only until recently have Mormons wanted to be called Christians, preferring not to be included with Christian denominations which Joseph Smith said were, ". . .all wrong...all their creeds were an abomination in his sight, and that those professors (Christians) were all corrupt." (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith, 2:18-19)

It's not up for debate. It's the way things are. Read anything and everything. Mac hasn't shown me one opposing source from a the Christian side for a reason.

reply to post by macman


MY GOD MAN I have given you three sources. Nothing to do with Carm.
I have given you multiple denominations of Christianity including the second link from a Catholic site.
It is not my opinion it is fact.

As I have said so many damn times Mormons do NOT believe that Christ is the one true saviour or God whatever you like and therefore they are not Christians as that is the entire BASIS for Christianity. It is NOT my opinion you can look at as many other sources as you like. Carm was just the first I posted you can search yourself they all say the same thing.

It is not a matter of picking and choosing it is a matter of beliefs and Mormons beliefs do not fit with Christian beliefs.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

I am out guys, have fun patting each other on the back, I can't handle the absurdity any longer.

Back so soon?? The topic is not Mormonism vs. Christianity. Check the OP once again.

MORMONS BELIEVE IN
JESUS CHRIST
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Savior of the world. Through his grace
all can return to live with God.

www.mormontopics.org...

game over

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

Mormons do believe in one true God, One Christ and actually follow the Christian Bible.
The members of the LDS faith are encouraged to read the Bible and the Book of Mormon.
So.............................I wonder why they would then? Read and base the Book of Mormon on the Bible.
Geez, I don't know.

reply to post by Destinyone

Jay Carney still a no-show for WH press conference...wonder what stalled that spin-o-rama show...

Probably having a 'strategy session'.

That must be a hard task today.... trying to figure out how to deal with this 'bump in the road'.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by macman

 

It didn't have anything to do with it, and it would have died if he didn't bring up that one facet of that posters post rather than ignoring everything else he said.

Then while briefly on that subject I pointed out that he is not a Christian as he is a Mormon which are 100 percent not Christians.

Something you apparently do not know is that Marxists have already infiltrated the Catholic Church, so nothing the Church does can be taken at face value as being principally truly Christian. This is why we have seen the drift toward more liberal policies being adopted by Christian churches the world over. Also take into account the activities of the UN sponsored World Council of Churches.
Marxism is destroying the true foundation of the Church.

Domestically, President Barack Obama’s speech at Notre Dame has to be understood in the context of his hiring and training by Jerry Kellman, an apostle of Saul
Alinsky at the Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF). Kellman “led a group, the Calumet
Community Religious Conference, that had been created by several local Catholic
churches,” noted National Review writer Byron York. Tyson had noted that Saul Alinsky,
an organizer and socialist, originally had the support of Catholic Bishop Bernard J. Sheil
and was facilitated in the San Antonio, Texas, area by the Catholic Diocese there. It
became a center for support for Liberation Theology and opposition to the Reagan
policy in Central America. A documentary, “The Democratic Promise: Saul Alinsky and
His Legacy,” noted that, “Alinsky envisioned an ‘organization of organizations,’
comprised of all sectors of the community — youth committees, small businesses, labor
unions, and, most influential of all, the Catholic Church.” The Citizen’s Handbook notes
that, “Much of IAF organizing occurs through Christian churches particularly the Catholic
church.”

What lies behind this confrontation is a decades-long assault on the Christian religion, the
Catholic Church and its “Culture of Life” in particular,
which are regarded by modern-day Marxists as a major
impediment to their plans for a complete takeover of
American – and global – institutions. These Marxists
are guided by Italian Communist Antonio Gramsci,
whose writings were introduced to the United States
in the mid-1950s by Carl Marzani, a publisher and
Soviet KGB agent whose publishing house was
subsidized by the KGB. Marzani published The Open
Marxism of Antonio Gramsci in 1957. 2
Gramsci’s Marxist theory of cultural revolution stressed that dominance over the
existing order in the West, including religion, was rooted in education, the media, law,
and a mass culture of beliefs, values, and traditions. He said that it was through these
elements that the “ruling class” exercised mind-control or “hegemony” over ordinary
people. Hence, to overturn the existing order and “Marxize the inner man,” one must
create a subversive program of “counter-hegemony” against its supporting culture. The
war against the existing culture would leave nothing outside of the struggle, especially
Christianity, to negate the established modes of thought and ways of doing things.

www.usasurvival.org...

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow


As I have said so many damn times Mormons do NOT believe that Christ is the one true saviour or God whatever you like and therefore they are not Christians as that is the entire BASIS for Christianity.

Yes, yes the LDS faith does believe this.
AGAIN... You allow others to tell you the ins and outs of something they have limited knowledge of or are just trying to provide false info or half truths.

Kind of like 0bama being truthful as to what Romney thinks.
Very mind boggling.

reply to post by macman


Man you are truly dense. I can't argue with you any more. Do some research. So they read both the bible and book of mormon. Just because they use the bible as well does not mean they follow it's word entirely. If that was the case they wouldn't need the Book of Mormon. They also have reasons for trying to squeeze into mainstream christianity. I am not going to argue with someone that is in denial. Either live in ignorance or enrich yourself. If you are a man of faith you are denying it by choosing a lie over educating yourself. I have given you multiple sources.

I never intended to go this far off topic, it is universally known that Mormons are NOT Christians except for the few people that are denying it to feel ok about Romney. I guess I found one of those people. I leave you with a final source to read and ignore because you hold politics over truth.

another essay on it.

I am not letting ignorant people dictate my opinion, you are, as I said I have a best friend that is a Mormon.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Destinyone

 

Jay Carney still a no-show for WH press conference...wonder what stalled that spin-o-rama show...

Probably having a 'strategy session'.

That must be a hard task today.... trying to figure out how to deal with this 'bump in the road'.

Bump in the road my happy arse...more like a potential complete collapse of the bridge.....

The testimony today is brutal to hear. How those poor people at the Embassy begged for security help...and were refused...repeatedly, by multiple departments. All under the orders of their Commander and Chief...

This is block buster testimony happening....people are deciding to not tow the party line. Following their hearts instead.

Des

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

I have done the research.
I took 2 years to do this. Actually researching it and SPEAKING to members of the LDS faith.

Again, you base your ideas on websites and what YOUR differing religious backgrounds teach you.
Too bad it is not based on total truth and misconceptions.

It is sad, truly, as the internet seems to be the only avenue people are willing to us anymore.