Atlantis, Past - Present - Future

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So anyone who's kept up with my posts lately will know I keep banging on about Channelings.

I only started exploring them about 8 months ago, I didn't actually realise they were real or that they made sense until I took time out to actually study them.

I understand a lot of people are still skeptical in regards to them, that's fine. Everybody discovers their own truths at their own pace.

When I heard others talk of "faith", I didn't quite understand where they were coming from, mainly because I kept being asked to have "faith" in an entity called God, that I could NOT feel, and to have "faith" in writings that made no sense to me.

Now I understand the word "faith" and the deeper meaning behind it, I can find no fault in the spiritual and historical teachings within these works, and so in *faith* I trust them.

Thus far, I have been reading three different sets of books based on channelings, those are - The Law of One (The Ra Material), The Phoenix Journals (Hantonn), and most recently, The Seth Material (Just call me Seth!).

Anyway, that's just a little back ground information, I'm not here to talk you into studying these materials (I'll save that for a rainy day) , I do however, wish to present you with a new concept, I have just read, and would love to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Excerpt from the Seth Material. (Book 3, Atlantis)

Atlantis is the story of a future probability projected backward into an apparent past.

Your ideas of Atlantis are partially composed of future memories. They are psychic yearnings toward the ideal civilization--patterns within the psyche. Atlantis is a land that you want to inhabit, appearing in your literature, your dreams, and your fantasies, serving as an impetus for development. It is real and valid. In your terms it is not "yet' physical fact, but in some ways it is more real than any physical fact, for it is a psychic blueprint.

It carries also, however, the imprint of your fears, for the tales say that Atlantis was destroyed. You place it in your past while it exists in your future. Not the destruction alone, but the entire pattern seen through the framework of your beliefs. Beside this, however, many civilizations have come and gone in somewhat the same manner, and the "myth” [of Atlantis] is based somewhat then on physical fact in your terms.

"Atlantis. First of all, take it for granted--as you do--that your ideas about the age of the earth are erroneous. There were intelligent human beings far earlier than is supposed; and because you assume a one-line kind of progression from an apelike creature to man, you ignore any evidence that shows to the contrary. There were highly developed human beings with elaborate civilizations, existing simultaneously with what you might call animal kingdoms--that is, more or less organized primeval animal tribes, possessing their own kinds of ‘primitive' cultures.

"Those animal kingdoms, some of them, utilized tools. Their senses were extremely acute, and their ‘cultures' dealt with a kind of transmission of knowledge that made a highly complicated vocabulary unnecessary.

"Those species did not vie for domination of the earth, but simply shared the same general environment with the more sophisticated groupings beyond their own perimeters. There were many highly technical human cultures, but in your terms not on a global scale. The legend of Atlantis is actually based upon several such civilizations. No particular civilization is the basis, however. Apart from that, the legend as picked up, so to speak, by Plato was a precognition of the future probability, an image of an inner civilization of the mind actually projected outward into the future, where it would be used as a blueprint, dash-the lost grandeur, as, in other terms, Eden became the lost garden of paradise.

Ruburt has implied in [his novel] The Education of Oversoul Seven that some archaeological discoveries about the past are not discovered in your present because they do not exist yet. Now such concepts are difficult to explain in my kind of prose, and in your language. But in certain terms, the ruins of Atlantis have not been found because they have not been placed in your past yet, from the future.

"Now the future is probable. However, in your terms there are ruins of the civilizations that served as the ‘concrete' basis for the one Atlantean legend. Those civilizations were scattered. The so-called ruins would not be found in any one place as expected, therefore. There are some beneath the Aegean Sea, and some beneath an offshoot of the Atlantic, and some beneath the Arctic, for the world had a different shape.

"In far greater terms time is simultaneous, so those civilizations exist along with your own"

"In that kind of framework, how can I explain an Atlantis? It exists both in your past and future, a probable world that some of you will choose from a model placed in the past of your future--partially based upon fact, in your terms, but with its greatest validity lying in its possibilities.” --Seth Raghuram Alamuri

www.bahaistudies.net...

That's quite a concept, no?

If this doesn't make sense to a lot of people, I'm afraid I'll have to refer you to the books recited to comprehend time/space, space/time.

reply to post by Sinny


This requires circular thinking. It's hard to vocalize, but I think I got it. Where does this psychic blueprint come from, exactly?

reply to post by AfterInfinity


I think Seth would reply to that with "All that is".

Ra would say "The law of one"

I don't think we are supposed to understand just yet

reply to post by Sinny


So Atlantis is/was/will be a physical manifestation of our spiritual/mental health or condition? And who is "Seth"?

reply to post by AfterInfinity


"Seth" is a higher density being who communicated with a woman called Jane Roberts in the 60's .. look her up

Jane Roberts

That is the definition of Atlantis as we currently know it. It has been our past, is currently manifesting our present, and may be our future.. We can change that of course.

The Seth Material

reply to post by Sinny


Good thread Sinny, and somewhat timely for me.

Last night I was in a very deep meditation - and something changed within my being, very profound and difficult to put in to words, but I'll try. An opening appeared in my consciousness and I was invited in to this new realm. Sitting before me and around me were 100's maybe 1000's of conscious divine beings in human form, sitting in the lotus position, meditating on love and light. The vibrations were pure, beautiful. I had been asked to join them and I felt blessed by the invitation. 'Am I worthy ?' I thought.

These beings I believe are Atlantians who have always been here, and will always be here in some form or another. What you are talking about is very real - the return to Utopia is possible, because it's just a matter of changing the vibrational fields in which we live in. Light is Omnipotent. Love is Omnipotent.

Anyway, thought I would share. This statement from your post is the key I think

Atlantis is the story of a future probability projected backward into an apparent past.

Peace To You

* Ned

reply to post by Sinny


An ancient city is manifesting our present? I thought we, as a collective species, were doing that?

reply to post by nimbinned


Those may have been Lemurians...or perhaps you ventured into a meditative plane where beings of all densities join in meditation?

reply to post by Sinny

"The human race is a stage though which various forms of consciousness travel.

Before you can be allowed into systems of reality that are more extensive and open, you must first learn to handle energy; and see, through physical materialization, the concrete result of thought and emotion.”

"In more advanced systems, thoughts and emotions are automatically and immediately translated into action... Therefore, the lessons must be taught and learned well. The responsibility for creation must be clearly understood.”

“… you must be taught and trained to create responsibly. Yours is a training system for emerging consciousness.”

“You are learning to be cocreators. You are learning to be gods as you now understand the term. You are learning responsibility- the responsibility of any individualized consciousness. You are learning to handle the energy that is yourself, for creative purposes.”
- Seth

Hahaha. This is proof that the phrase "intelligent life in the universe" is more ignorant than we can know at this time. We are, in fact, one of the less intelligent species of this universe...as shown in the above quote.

Rarely, since my days of reading the Ra Material, have I seen such a poetic, truthful, and crystalline explanation of humankind's purpose in this world. Thank you for showing me this - I wasn't aware that it even existed!

reply to post by AfterInfinity


It's quite possible I guess. The general feeling I got was that they were protectors (or guardians) of the planet's psyche. They seemed to be past and present inhabitants. As usual in these types of 'realms', time does not exist so is difficult to explain here like this, in writing. Overall it was a very positive experience. I felt like I was part of something important and meaningful now, not just a helpless bystander.

Peace AI

* Ned

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Atlantis doesn't just describe one city, but all the advanced civilizations that have occupied the Earth, we occupy it presently, and and look on the past to view our future.

These civilizations as we know them no longer exist, there fore we for see our future to end the same, and if it did, our civilization would become part of the Atlatian myth.

In other teachings Seth reveals the true connection between past and future, both effect each other, things we do in the future can effect our past, and vice versa, as all things are simultaneous.

I think! aha.

reply to post by Sinny
Nice thread Sinny, it is a rather weird subject with all kinds of feelings available as we connect with it. The most important part for me is to not fall in to duality or cuadreality ( dont know that word but its what came out ) I have a feel for this view at the moment. We are living the atlantean dream time or romanticizing it. That time brought a terrible ending, but what was before it? Whatever I believe the omelet is about to flip and we are going to enter an amazing new life. All the elements will be there, but this time we will make a much better mix.How do I come up with that, via the master dreamers.

Now look what you've done...

I'm gonna have to go read a Seth book...

Nature of Personal Reality...good?

Atlantis is a curious cycle that some folks seem obsessed with and not in a good way. It is seen by them as the pinnacle of all civilization. it has been said that one key figure in the recreation of Atlantis is Francis Bacon, who set out with a cadre of others to steer the planet into a recreation, of the deceased Atlantis - pheonix rising of the great Atlantis. This was done in a myriad of ways, a few that are interesting is the rewriting of the bible and in introduction, through the shakespearian plays, of language used to alter the thinking process, as well as introducing the world of science as overlord. The idea of course was to recreate that that is, or was, or was always. The key components of Atlantis are similar to us now: great cities - check, dna creation of new species - check, science and law as the ruling themes - check, medicine centered around replacement, reattachment, regrowth - check, and the great destruction of the creation via nuclear forces - check (this being bombs instead of disintegrating power plants and bomb waste.

As for the animal kingdom quote. Consider that the animal kingdom essence does NOT have to express itself through bugs, bears and bees exclusively, but can and does express itself in human skin. Then consider behavior we consider to be animal like, gangs, random acts of violence, territorial behavior, animal sexual expression and so on. The animal kingdom energy has been placing itself on the earth plane for the first time in mass, and it is not doing all that well due to the fact that no one seems to be aware of this but a few at the top of the Atlantean pyramid of control.

reply to post by Sinny


I wrote a blog on exactly this concept, just two days before the earthquake and tsunami in Japan.

My hypothesis was that all our myths we circulate and keep alive feed the collective consciousness with visions for future events.

This was inspired by my own observation that my subconscious does not separate between self/other, here/there, now/then, real/imagined.

The story being recreated and passed down through millenia causes the subconscious to stear the collective towards creating exactly that.

The site I had my blog on was hacked into and lost all content the day after the earthquake, which really bummed me out because my article spoke clearly of "earthquakes, tsunamis, and technological disasters" precisely, as beign the events told of in Atlantis that may actually be our future! It seemed to have a strange synchronicity, considering the timing. But now I have only the people who read it at the time who can back me up on that.

I used to nearly believe what the channelers were channeling, until I realized that most modern-day channelers only spout the same message since 2004 and perhaps earlier. None of what they've said has come to pass... and I mean promises of disclosure, mass arrests, new technology, and basically anything that would make this world a place worth living on. I read the Ra material a few years ago, and it sounded good. But I don't know if I could fully believe it, now. Tell me... how did you manage to gain this "faith" you mention? Sounds like it would be a big help, if only I had some.

Here's a goofy reason that I doubt the Ra material. You can blame the aspartame if you like. I saw some well-researched documentaries about the Egyptian pyramids a while back, that suggested they were built using anti-gravity. You know of the Coral Castle? The man there, he may have known their secret. He built that entire place by himself. Anyway... I'm pretty sure that Ra said he/she created the Pyramid with their thoughts. Both stories can't be true.

reply to post by Sinny


Alantis is not a myth. A myth was created that Alantis is a myth. There is a difference.

I know that you know that I know that you know where Atlantis is. The Bahamas.

reply to post by MrUncreated


Well, these channelings aren't from 2004, Seth - 1960's, Ra - 1980's, Phoenix - 1990's.

Yes I'm familiar with coral castle, I made a thread on it.
If memory serves me correct, he just said you need to understand the true nature of reality and physics.

I see no contradiction.
And that's a rather flimsy reason to discount the Ra material

Have you read it all? Took me 3 months, and ill have to read it twice to get it to sink in aha.

Originally posted by Bluesma
reply to post by Sinny

 

I wrote a blog on exactly this concept, just two days before the earthquake and tsunami in Japan.

My hypothesis was that all our myths we circulate and keep alive feed the collective consciousness with visions for future events.

This was inspired by my own observation that my subconscious does not separate between self/other, here/there, now/then, real/imagined.

The story being recreated and passed down through millenia causes the subconscious to stear the collective towards creating exactly that.

The site I had my blog on was hacked into and lost all content the day after the earthquake, which really bummed me out because my article spoke clearly of "earthquakes, tsunamis, and technological disasters" precisely, as beign the events told of in Atlantis that may actually be our future! It seemed to have a strange synchronicity, considering the timing. But now I have only the people who read it at the time who can back me up on that.

edit on 9-10-2012 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)

That's a shame, start again and spread the word!