Top neurosurgeon 'spent six days in heaven' during a coma

Originally posted by KrzYma
reply to post by Tardacus

 

...going to heaven???
you mean having a dream, don't you ???

no, or else he would have said

"Having a dream"

and not

"going to heaven"

I highly doubt he made such a massive and sustained typo, here to help

There's no such thing as "heaven" IMO. When you die, that's it. You're gone.

If it was a book I HAVE 100% PROOF THERE IS NO GOD
and he was selling it id bet the atheists wouldn't bring that up they would still champion it. So whats the difference? Because its not what you believe so now selling it is bad bad bad??

Originally posted by Kenan2
There's no such thing as "heaven" IMO. When you die, that's it. You're gone.

that is your belief system, and you are entitled to it

Originally posted by KrzYma
reply to post by thoiter

 

you know what I meant !
this explains his actions nothing more!
this book will not explain what heaven or God is, nor will it explain what happens after dead or if there is any kind of afterlife at all... but go and buy it, it is your money you loosing

Do you really think that every book written about a life (or death) experience is an attempt to rip off the public?
He's already given his full story for free on the internet in a lengthy interview. There's a link to it a few posts back. You should watch it, you might realise that the guy is pretty genuine.

Hmm good story for selling a book
lol,,I was raised by wolves,, they taught me to live off the land and jesus was their
leader..Get the whole story when you buy my book....

reply to post by blueorder


OK, what is a dream? is it an real experience? I think it is NOT.
if it's nothing related to reality it must be a dream.
His experience was some random electric flows inside his "dead" brain that left some patterns as memories he remembers after he woke up. Is it a travel to heaven? NO!
even Christians said as I remember, after you are dead you don't go to heaven immediately, you go to some king of "waiting room" and wait for the final tribunal, AFTER that it will be decided if you go to heaven or you go to hell.

Tell me, how could he possibly enter the heavens without judgment ??? if you believe in this...


I don't know that's there is in so called afterlife, but I know that isn't and I say THIS IS NOT!

whats sad is, his book will cash in big, with the religious crowd, while the atheists think hes just a sellout.
Either way he'll profit big $$$,

Considering hes a neurosurgeon, prety sure he has no religious values, maybe he made up that part of heaven
and decided to cash in. Just remember Human beings can lie.

reply to post by thoiter


"Do you really think that every book written about a life (or death) experience is an attempt to rip off the public? "

NO, it's like all books written, for making money by telling a story. Nobody gets ripped off, nobody will spent his last money for this book and those who will surely can afford it. just money flow like always.
and his interview is simply advertisement.

looking at all the "believers" it's a very cool idea, and he must be right, right?? he was in coma and went into heavens...

Originally posted by Tardacus
The guy is a neurosurgeon i`m sure he makes a good living he doesn`t need to make up a story like this just so he can write a book and try to make some money selling it,That makes less sense than his story about going to heaven.

Very few people can resist the mental illness known as greed. Even millionaires and billionaires do things that don't make sense in the quest for more money.

Originally posted by KrzYma
reply to post by blueorder

 

OK, what is a dream? is it an real experience? I think it is NOT.
if it's nothing related to reality it must be a dream.
His experience was some random electric flows inside his "dead" brain that left some patterns as memories he remembers after he woke up. Is it a travel to heaven? NO!
even Christians said as I remember, after you are dead you don't go to heaven immediately, you go to some king of "waiting room" and wait for the final tribunal, AFTER that it will be decided if you go to heaven or you go to hell.

Tell me, how could he possibly enter the heavens without judgment ??? if you believe in this...


I don't know that's there is in so called afterlife, but I know that isn't and I say THIS IS NOT!

you presume a strict Biblical literal interpretation as to what happens after you die, there are many different thoughts on the afterlife, who knows which is right- a dream is not the same as going to heaven, your soul is in your body when dreaming, we are talking about soul leaving the body


Either way, it is a belief, believe it or don't, but don't pretend as if you know for sure

reply to post by drphilxr



Sensory deprivation is a method used by most shamanistic people for the reason you describe: to achieve that otherworldly consciousness. The Tibetan monks will hole themselves up in a sealed off cave for years, being sustained by food delivered through a hole every couple of days. Sitting in a pitch black, dead silent cave. First, you fight with your misfiring senses, trying to find your way past the roar coming from inside your ears, or the bright flashing lights your eyes see as nerves misfire, unaccustomed to having no sensory input.

In England there are mounds. The shaman would sit underground in this mounds, hollowed out with acoustic properties. They would beat their drums repeatedly, unknowingly entraining their brain waves into meditative states.

Being undergound had special meaning to many shamanistic cultures. Sensory deprivations, in my opinion, was a big reason for the religious significance.

RE: the doctors story...the interesting thing to me is that he describes sights he saw in a land where he had no eyes. "Seeing" is an experience caused by eyes. We are very accustomed to "seeing" things.. It is hard to conceptualize something without describing how it looks. But eyes are receptors to a specific wavelength of light. Light is a physical element. So where was he? "Heaven" is, i think, just a term to describe a place he "saw" (while he didn't have any eyes as a spiritual, non physical being). It could be Neptune....we don't know.

BTW, the whole thing about the eyes and what he saw....this isn't a point of skepticism. It is rather a point remarking on it as fact, and considering the apparent absurdity of "seeing" something while in a nonphysical state. Like an artifact of how our brain perceives. Even blind people "see" when they describe those kinds of things.

Originally posted by sgspecial19
I get chills from reading the article; he is absolutely right consciousness does exist outside the body. When I meditate, I leave my physical senses behind and reach a state of consciousness where I am no longer limited to my body. The environment around me IS me, and there is a feeling of all knowing.

The oneness with reality conciousness where every thing is only part of one.

I believe his story . I am eagerly waiting to read his upcoming book .

Originally posted by drphilxr
I am a neuroradiologist, in the Boston area, and my wife is a Harvard doctor as well.

Let's just say the brain is a very not well understood fuzzy computing device that

is a combination of neurotransmitters, astroglial stromal elements, a complex vascular system,

a complex neural net computer that emits an electromagnetic field, that probably stores memory holographically.

And that's the simple view. This neurosurgeon's neocortex may have shut down enough to activate

the papez circuit, a reptilian brain if you will, that controls our emotions.

We cant really image function with MRI, but I bet he's referring

to EEG tracings - which probably showed lack of alpha wave activity and other signs of deep unconsciousness.

This is an old controversy in medicine : the out of body experience.

I for one believe in it for a multitude of reasons. I even think the American indians were onto

something with shamanistic rituals and their attempts to enter the spirit world through trances.

After all, a coma is a form of a trance. Many times I wonder if all the distractional inputs were

removed, aka sensory deprevational states, would we tune into the netherworld more easily?

Ahhh, the big questions. Im stuck looking at awful strokes, hemorrhages, aneurysms, and tumors

all day. The really cool stuff would be pursuing the dream world, like in Dr. Haber's lab, in the Lathe of Heaven....

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This could be interesting if you have not seen it:


It might be good for you to know about topped out amagydala fear reactions causing crown chakra openings and third eye/pineal gland activation:
vimeo.com...

You could looking into the chakra/Merkaba systems that uses sound to alter the body and frankly makes it work as it is intended to work.

Very intresting subject.
Im fascinated by the fact that people who seem to have healthy life style and after death experiences sees heaven, when people who have used drugs or alcohol sees hell in those experiences. Somehow if brains had shut down afterlife shouldn´t be connected to the state of braincells, the hell experiences connected to unhealthy braindamaging lifestyle proves different.. so is the heaven and hell connected to state of brains and if so doesn´t it prove cells are not dead after all...

What this article tells me is that thought still occurs even though what the experts think is controls it is not working at all. I see a lack of understanding of the true physiology of thought. When man finds that there is a lot more to learn and that basically we know nothing yet, it will be a glorious day. I know that there are a few that think this way already and I appreciate this but the main consensus is that we know what is going on and that is flawed.

Was what he perceived a real out of body experience or did he join into the communication of nature and was allowed to experience what is real. The lines that connected everything may be the ties that exist between our souls. There are so many possibilities that it makes my head spin.

Originally posted by kudegras
Absolutely true his physical mind was doing nothing as the machine that goes "ping "said so.

Not quite, the machine was only giving information that the doctors know how to interpret, it doesn't mean that the machine has all the information of what the brain is doing.

reply to post by CaptainBeno


Firstly, the guy is selling a book, so I would take everything he says with a BIG dose of salt. People will do anything for money, and as there is no scientific proof for his claims, this story has no more validity than any others before it. It's still just a story, whether the guy is a neurosurgeon or not.

For the record, I do believe in the afterlife. But my take on it is a little different. As all energy is transferred and never destroyed, and we function through energy, I believe that the energy we contain simply moves to another existence or another dimension of being.

I have had my own out of body experience, a typical one some might say. I had a seizure a couple of years ago, which turned out to be the result of a heart problem which drops my circulation. I know that's a standard "lack of oxygen to the brain" explanation, but although I can't remember the details of what happened during the experience, I do remember seeing both my parents, and having the sense that it was not my time to join them. But I also had the sense when I came around that everything was going to be okay, there was nothing to be worried about.

Even though I had just had a seizure, and there were loads of people gathered around me, paramedics monitoring my heart and people telling me there was a problem, I was as calm as can be - probably more calm than I ever have been.

It's hard to explain, I don't believe in God, I don't believe in Heaven in the traditional sense, and I know the scientific explanations of lack of oxygen and so on... but I know what I experienced and how I felt. That's good enough for me to accept that there is another existence after this one, and if I got a little glimpse of that existence than I have to admit I look forward to it one day - but not after I've sucked as much fun out of being a physical being for as long as possible

This was on through the wormhole a while back.

I remember the Dr said this,

When a Brain shuts down for sleep, surgery etc you can still detect Brain activity in certain parts of the Brain. In his case there was no activity what so ever and it all terms he was fully brain dead.

He said when he awoke he shocked everyone, and he took time to study the results and he too himself agrees he was Brain dead.

The only explanation he suggests is that he went to heaven.

He also says he was a sceptic before.