~YOU~ Are The REAL Illuminati!!!

reply to post by Lemmingrad


"Again, what does any of this have to do with the premise of the thread? Absolutely nothing. "



it most certainly does, IF it was supposedly originally created to discredit enlightenment,,,, its now the future and the meaning has changed, just like hot is cool, and cool is hot, yet neither of them are describing weather or temperatures are they?

and what have you brought to the discussion? other than tell other people that you think they are wrong, all i can see is your post bashing others, nothing you say has brought discussion further, oh accept

"Then how does it make sense that the Illuminati was created to discredit the pursuit of knowledge in general?

How? "

WOW EARTH SHATTERING!! no really it is, im going to have to contemplate your theories and ideas for ages, i would for the others as well but they were removed do to manner and decorum.

why be a TOOL , when you could be the tool box?

By the way, I can spot something right away, and even with his outflow of information on symbols, artwork, ancient history, Irish History, the origins of religions, and so much information as if, it has to be put out in plain view. But that doesnt mean I don't pay attention to the upside down cross Tsarion wears and this.


Michael Tsarion. Photon World Order. Freeman Perspective 01-10-2006

This picture, I tried uploading it, it is glitched but its on the video. It shows him, with an upside down cross, making a triangle with his fingers, and there is a vortex in the sky, like a starry wormhole over a grid point, stone hedge. And all pictures are gateway and interactive so I'm wondering what his intentions are and a little alarmed. And yes that would be mystery school type stuff.

And seriously never seen anything like this before. I have saved the picture and reverted it to jpg. But now the upload on ATS pics, the bar won't pop up, and the video, though down perfectly correct, is blank. I copied the correct portion and have posted videos for years. Then I go to refresh the page and the video suddenly on youtube is blank.

That would be dark skills at work, another sign of illuminati or mystery school, or the Empire strikes back. I rebooted my desktop and now I have the pic too. It now all works.



edit to add: and just before I solved it by relogging in to my desktop, my son phones he has just sprained his ankle putting on his shoe of all things, and I am going to pick him up at his friends. Very very odd timing. Something negative in that portal I think.

Some more illumination in the dark age of ignorance.

Folks can color the material however they like though facts are facts and fiction is an infliction.
Could man have been reseeded on Earth many.....many times in the past?
Would this deny a Creator? A Soul? or just require a rewrite of one book or another?

Anyhow, enjoy the video above for there's lots of info there that should open one's eyes to worlds unseen past and present.

Anyone who looks up for guidance. Anyone who invents/creates/sees and applies a natural law or two as never seen or applied in known history or sees (concept of "The Holy See") something never seen before and applied to the natural world/material world could be part of the 'illuminati'. Yes, good point and was the primary reason for why the main requirement of joining the original freemasons was to believe in a Creator and to be of good character/standing within one's community.

It's changed much since unfortunately due to neo-con zionist international bankster influence of which most of it's members are unaware of due to the oath of secrecy amongst it's Senior as well as minor ranked membaas and compartmentalization of knowledge (earning the degrees one at a time) indoctrinating as well as investing one's time in the organ-is-nation.....as one is less likely to leave when they have invested much time, funds and relationships in the venture; by design. Oh, blah-de-blablaBlah. I'm sure you get the point though Good Point.

Just found this and should make one wonder? Uh, who benefits? Anyone? So who, or rather 'what' would be behind it? What do 'you' see?

In the anticipated event of a “mass fatality”, coordination and planning must be forefront of FEMA with the assistance of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as referred by the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure (CTI).

Say What?....."Over".....clic-it-E-Clicclicclic. You don't 'really' think I enjoy sitting on by arse on this computer most of the day do you? Nah, I'd rather be.....somewhere else, preferrably with someone Sweet~n~Smoochy; preferably in a 'natural' setting amongst the birds and the bees. But here I am, still at it, still swingin in the dark trying to make a spark of some illumination on some absOlutely insane/psychotic foolishness. So why do folks allow the perpetrators to 'walk'? I find this amazing and outrageous. How about you? You know who they are. So what's up? Doobiewoobiemedarnit. Nothing Of nature is unlawful. Manmade; nother topic. 3rd glass of wine. Next>

Found a few of the quotes I had in mind...

Information is a negotiator's greatest weapon.
Victor Kiam

Information is the currency of democracy.
Thomas Jefferson

Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders.
Ronald Reagan

Knowledge in the form of an informational commodity indispensable to productive power is already, and will continue to be, a major --perhaps the major --stake in the worldwide competition for power. It is conceivable that the nation-states will one day fight for control of information, just as they battled in the past for control over territory, and afterwards for control over access to and exploitation of raw materials and cheap labor.
Jean Frantois Lyotard

Private information is practically the source of every large modern fortune.
Oscar Wilde

Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information.
T. S. Eliot

We aren't in an information age, we are in an entertainment age.
Anthony Robbins

Source for quotes - keyword "information"

I ended with that last one because it has particular meaning. A tool used against us.... entertainment masquerading as information. Very important aspect of the idea that there is a concerted effort to muddy the information pool with mis or disinformation - thus making knowledge less of a potential threat.


reply to post by Bluemoonsine


Buffering the video you linked now and will watch as soon as time permits! Thank you!

~Heff

OMG REALLY???? LOL this is beging to be toooooo much!!! Of ALLLL the titles I read tonight, I opened 2...both yours. HEHEHE going to read it now, find out how "I" am the Illuminati!!

Another thread in the knot... Banned materials:

Wiki of banned books - by country
Wiki of banned films - by country
List of banned writers

And even a list of...

Banned video games.

And who can forget the Index Librorum Prohibitorum and the Malleus Maleficarum - the Witches Hammer... for dealing with those pesky folks who wanted to know stuff!

We have modern terms now - the primary one used in conspiracy circles is Gatekeepers. Folks who seek to protect Institutional knowledge.

Often the devices used are disguised to make us buy into it. Internet Piracy, for example, is currently being used to place some very strict controls on Internet use - even on a legal and non-pirating level. And of course the folks at the top tend to profit. And example. My ISP recently changed policy and now, if I go over a certain amount of data stream, per month, I receive a surcharge. And I, as many of us have been, have been warned that if any proof of misuse of my Internet connection is detected, I can lose my Internet access and that information will be forwarded to the authorities. I don't disagree at all with anti-Piracy laws. But do disagree that the mechanisms to fight them are being applied universally. I am not a bank robber, for example... therefore I should not have to undergo a strip search to approach my local ATM. This is, in essence, what is happening in cyberspace currently.

There are many more aspect of information control that I wish to table - but wish to do so slowly enough that each, individual aspect, can be considered and addressed on its own merits - or lack thereof.

~Heff

Many of the founding fathers of America were Freemasons and supporters of the 'Enlightenment'.

The 'Illuminati' are evidence of the 'elite' infilitrating a very powerful tool, that was initially and still is to many members, for the improvement of mankind, ie Freemasonry.

John Robison's 'Proofs of a Conspiracy' from the late 18th century gives an excellent account of how Freemasonry was infiltrated, how the 'Illuminati' became a secret society within a secret society with evil ends.

Freemasons were able to meet in secret and discuss how to help mankind, spread knowledge and stop the tyranny of the rulers of the time. The Elite saw the power of secret societies and infiltrated European Freemasonry, which is were we see the Order of the Bavarian Illuminati be created.

Just thought I'd share my take

reply to post by Hefficide


so true, so true..

I've often thought this myself..

not a very "new" world order, is it?

lol.. S & F

In digging for more historical references to information control/blockage - I happened this interesting site that lists the supposed 300 current members of the Illuminati.

Most look to be Royals. But there are many names I do not recognize and will have to set Google alight later to see if any are authors, teachers, media moguls, etc.

It's a fun read if nothing else.

~Heff

reply to post by Hefficide


Good thread Heff
Very interesting angle, but, I think the Illuminati is all a sham. A boogeyman created by the Vatican and their 2000 secret societies to maintain power for the few who already have it, always.
That's just my opinion, but it ties in well with what you're saying as well, they took the word and demonized it.
Nice read.

S&F and a Bacon roll

This thread is so full of crap.


Actually the term Illuiminati is used to broadly describe a group of people that have been "Illuminated" by Luciferian initiation. Which is described as having molten light poured into your brain, its extremely painful, and you end up with a mind so detactched from reality, with maligned hatred for God and humanity, isnt that interesting.

This then allows them access to higher forms of supposed "enlightenment" which actually equates to you copulating with a fallen angelic spirit in which you both share of Blood and engage in sexual rituals which in most cases results in the death of the person involved.

The lower levels of Freemasonry and the like are just dabbling scratching the surface of the massive New Age deception that is created by Satan. It really has nothing to do with normal human God fearing people.

All real illuminati drink their quart of human blood a day. If your not doing that then you arnt real illuminati.

reply to post by Hefficide


Wait - you're using Dan Brown as source material? Isn't he an unreliable source?

As with everything I seem to experience there is a duality, both a lightside and darkside.

The ILLUMINATI should be no different. One faction fights for Humanity to be brought into the light.
The other seeks to keep them in the darkness.

I feel we are falling back into that darkness again. And if they cannot find control they will literally plunge us into darkness (think EMP or revolution) to regain that control...

Fantastic thread! And I have always wanted to be enlightened...

I don't know...isn't this really just about evolution of the language?

Remember when "bad" used to mean "bad"?

Or did I miss something?

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The term "bad" is just like the terms "good" and "evil": these words reflect far more about the people using them than they reveal about the situation.

Whenever someone uses those words, you can tell what kind of person they are: what they fear, what they enjoy, what annoys them and what encourages them. When they use such words to describe a situation, it tells you how they're looking at it, nothing more.

"Good" and "evil" are labels that define how we feel about things, not the things themselves. Too often do we confuse our perception with the actuality of things as they stand. We have switched belief for knowledge, fact for opinion. Our usage of these words is a blatant symptom of this confusion.

No wonder reality has become so confusing, when our language molds itself to our society, instead of our society accepting the language as it truly is. No wonder the chaos! For when we confuse the truth for our perception of the truth, the truth is lost in interpretation.

And interpretation so often falls prey to what we want rather than what is. I hope that makes sense...

reply to post by FractalChaos13242017


OK, that was a curveball.Ouch. Correct and to the point.

reply to post by Hefficide


By those standards, I only ever heard of maybe three enlightened individuals. I certainly wouldn't deem myself enlightened, I am just a student with much more to learn as even those who may think they are enlightened. That's really the truth.

reply to post by ldyserenity

I certainly wouldn't deem myself enlightened, I am just a student with much more to learn as even those who may think they are enlightened. That's really the truth.

And you say you aren't enlightened! Perhaps you are, if only a little bit!