Ritual Magic Mind Control and the UFO Phenomenon by Adam Gorightly

Originally posted by ScientificUAPer
Come on, the threads pointless then. Aren't we discussing the reality of mystery?

I'm not sure you can't take your experiences from the altered state and say much about reality in the sober state.

I'm not against mysticism, I'm just saying, be careful not to confuse the experience with the experiencer. Or is that impossible, as some suggest?

I think your idea that reality has something to do with normal waking states, but not altered states, is flawed. Reality is made up of experience, for many people.

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More Homework, huh? Will have to check it out.
Thanx!

Originally posted by magickmaster
.. Reality is made up of experience, for many people.

Ok, that's a life philosophy, fair enough.

But eventually, it means that a psychotic person is experiencing 'reality' in equal measure to a person who is not psychotic.

So, that philosphy doesn't really work for me as a rule.

In other words, we experience reality differently on drugs, reality itself has not changed.

If on shrooms a painting seems to curl into a spiral before one's eyes for instance, is there any way we can defend that it is actually 'happening'? I think that is difficult.

Be it spiralling paintings or fractal aliens, I think the experience can have mystical connotations, and bring out things from the unconscious, but can it act as a direct link to eg. other entities? No. The painting is not a spiral, and the patterns are not actual beings emerging.

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I have actually returned to school to study electromagnetics so this is extra interesting and hopefully I will be able to work with similar equipment in the future.

On the note of waves, telepathy and science do not forget that we now posses the ability to literally whisper in your head from a distance.

Hear Voices? It May Be an Ad
An A&E Billboard 'Whispers' a Spooky Message Audible Only in Your Head in Push to Promote Its New 'Paranormal' Program
adage.com...

New Yorker Alison Wilson was walking down Prince Street in SoHo last week when she heard a woman's voice right in her ear asking, "Who's there? Who's there?" She looked around to find no one in her immediate surroundings. Then the voice said, "It's not your imagination."

The billboard uses technology manufactured by Holosonic that transmits an "audio spotlight" from a rooftop speaker so that the sound is contained within your cranium. The technology, ideal for museums and libraries or environments that require a quiet atmosphere for isolated audio slideshows, has rarely been used on such a scale before. For random passersby and residents who have to walk unwittingly through the area where the voice will penetrate their inner peace, it's another story.

A link to a description of the technology
www.holosonics.com...

The ultrasound has wavelengths only a few millimeters long, which are much smaller than the source, and therefore naturally travel in an extremely narrow beam.

Of course, the ultrasound, which contains frequencies far outside our range of hearing, is completely inaudible. But as the ultrasonic beam travels through the air, the inherent properties of the air cause the ultrasound to change shape in a predictable way. This gives rise to frequency components in the audible band, which can be accurately predicted, and therefore precisely controlled. By generating the correct ultrasonic signal, we can create, within the air itself, essentially any sound desired.

Note that the source of sound is not the physical device you see, but the invisible beam of ultrasound, which can be many meters long. This new sound source, while invisible, is very large compared to the audio wavelengths it's generating. So the resulting audio is now extremely directional, just like a beam of light.

Now don't let me confuse you this is a result of sound waves while the ELF concepts operate upon electromagnetic waves. They both however observe the Doppler effect which allows for a similar translation method as described above with differing variables affecting the wave. If we can create whispers in your ears by manipulating sound waves what sorts of manipulations do you think could result with electromagnetic waves?

The brain emits these electromagnetic frequencies and so perhaps telepathy in the sense intended by our good Dr. God Helmet is more along the lines of being able to pick up the waves of another individual through amplification or an antennae of sorts. Just musing here as I do not posses the technical skills or knowledge base to really test such a theory but I do understand the very basics of his ideas.

Also of note is that the brain operates at different frequencies while at different states of consciousness whether drug induced (sorcery) or self induced (meditations).

The Four Brain States
www.toolsforwellness.com...

Vibrations from rhythmic sounds have a profound effect on our brain activity. In shamanic traditions, drums have long been used to transport the shaman out of his or her body into other realms of reality through the use of constant rhythmic vibrations. Researcher Melinda Maxfield, studying the Shamanic State of Consciousness, found that the steady rhythmic beat of the drum struck four and one half times per second was the key to transporting a shaman into the deepest part of his shamanic state of consciousness.

It is no coincidence that 4.5 beats, or cycles, per second corresponds to the trance-like state of theta brain wave activity. In direct correlation, we see similar effects brought on by the constant and rhythmic drone of Tibetan Buddhist chants that transport the monks and even other listeners into realms of blissful meditation.

You have your very own signature brain wave activity, unique to you. It has a rhythm and pattern - and it incorporates Beta, Alpha, Theta, and Delta frequencies at varying levels over the course of a day as your brain modulates them to match your activities.

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
You're not as "fried" as your name might suggest. Seriously, I dig your thinking. I'm also psyched that I have someone to maybe help me with some of my questions about electromagnetics as I'm on the "home" study course.

I know the subject sure has fascinated folk like former top CIA Scientist Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green. Col. John B. Alexander, Sleeping Beauty project head Dr. Jack Vorona (Microwave Radiation Effects on the Brain), Hal Puthoff, Dale Graff, Dr. Michael Persinger, Dean Radin and a whole lot more.

Now dig this: Most of those guys dig shamanism and aren't unfamiliar with a drum circle if'n you know what I mean. Col. John B. Alexander travels the world to meet and work with Shaman of various cultures.


Col. John B. Alexander with Shaman Carlos Llenena Chavez

There are some very TOP minds connected to our intelligence apparatus that have studied EM effects on the brain in 2 basic ways:

1.) Mind-Control which, for example, ranges from "non-lethal" weaponry such as physical dissuasion by a microwave device that "heats up" protestors and disperses them, to literal altered-states where a subject's mind might be persuaded and/or even "fractured" for intelligence operations purposes.

2.) The increasing evidence that EM fields DO contribute--or cause--altered states whereby anomalous PSI does happen.

What do they know? What do they believe? I got some ideas.

Our government guys have been, for 50 years--without cease--pretty darn obsessed with Exotic waves: EM, ELF/Microwave Radiation…especially in relation to the brain.

It's like some have become the uber-scientist, that age-old mix of the scientist/metaphysician: The Alchemist.

Interesting subject, electromagnetism, and one they like to keep very hush-hush from what it appears to me.

Is it just the "mind-control" aspect that fascinates the spooks, or have some of them came to believe they've encountered unexpected "spooks" of their own?

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Certain intelligence-connected scientists and operatives have been, it seems, in the E.T. myth-making game for decades (MJ-12, Serpo.)

Of course. Myth making seems to be a central premise of much of the contradictory theories we find across the internet; from reptilians, to greys, to subterranean worlds, to space ships etc, all this 'myth' making has definite socio-political effects which could prove useful to the ruling establishment, as for one, it injects enough 'confusion' amongst certain segments of the population which in turn contributes to the trivializing of what is apparently wrong.

Other myths which rely less on science fiction ideas is the demonization of Israel, the 'myth' making of the Palestinian people (which musa alami said was a major project of the Palestinian leadership after 1967).

Propaganda is how you control people to think the way you want them to think. Skepticism should always be referenced before you come to any conclusions about the merits of any subject; it should be subjected to rigorous investigation and challenged where ever weaknesses seem to exist, and only after the premise has been shown to be justified, should you come to defend that belief.

It startles me how easily people here get convinced of something.

Occam is just starting to look rather metaphysical, to me, after all, that's all.

No, I don't hold to Occams razor.

It just so happens that Occam and me happen to agree here. My idea of truth is predicated on reason, which in turn is predicated on what usually happens. Usually speaking, people lie. Therefore, in all probability, these claims are false.

In anycase, they are far too unimportant for to devote any more than a rudimentary amount of energy to. But don't get me wrong, I do find the subject strangely fascinating.

I could never buy Project Blue Beam, either.

You know, you never know. I do agree that the 'elites' of our world, both on the left (UN) and right (Bohemian grove) have a uncanny fascination with the irrational, spiritual, and esoteric dimensions of reality. Take lucis trust - which is an officially sponsored organization of the UN; or Robert Mueller, who served as under-secretary general to 4 different UN secretary generals for 45 years. He was known around the UN as the "UN philosopher"l whats especially bizarre is his own confessing to basing his political ideas on the theosophical musing of Alice Bailey, the very person who founded Lucis Trust. Now, this is extremely strange. Alice Bailey was an eccentric; she claimed to have channeled her writings from a tibetan guru who in turn claimed to be a 'representative' of the guardians of our planet.

On other right, you have the Bohemian grove, which till this day, despite my education in conservative philosophy, boggles my mind. What is a neoconservative establishment doing gathering at a place - a grove, which by itself alludes to the ancient pagan site of religious worship - which has statues of nymphs, pans, and other strange figures from Greek and other pagan mythological traditions, with plays like the cremation of care and even Goethes Faust [!] how the devil do you reconcile this behavior with their Christian, often evangelic exoteric comportment? It makes little sense, unless, of course, you posit the notion that there are 'members' of both sides of the political spectrum who equally strive towards destroying the judeo-Christian ethical and cultural order to be replaced by a pagan, moral relativistic, perhaps 'nondualistic' society. We see these ideas present both in the modernistic myths of theosophy and Alice Bailey (and thus the UN) as well as in the traditional pagan themes at bohemian grove. Another strange quirk: Isn't it odd that the Republican party's logo has 3 stars, all inverted? And doesn't the idea of inversion, symbolize something that is indirect, or not quite clear on the surface?

The democrats are pretty straight forward, at least the Obama clan and his legion of zombie supporters of socialism and centralization. But the republicans are far less so; they seem to eat right into the hands of the democrats; everyone knows that the media is essentially dominated by the left. And personally, my views are always more naturally consonant with the right, in terms of politics and morality. But I often find a strain of mendacity in right politicians that just worries me; again, bohemian grove, the duplicity in christian politicians engaging in thoroughly pagan activities with even the rumor of homosexuality as well. Makes you really wonder how really 'committed' these people are to conservative notions; and if they do, in what freaking sense do they care to preserve traditional ethics if even they themselves cannot resist an atmosphere which encourages homosexual orgies. It boggles my mind. [

reply to post by dontreally

Of course. Myth making seems to be a central premise of much of the contradictory theories we find across the internet; from reptilians, to greys, to subterranean worlds, to space ships etc, all this 'myth' making has definite socio-political effects which could prove useful to the ruling establishment, as for one, it injects enough 'confusion' amongst certain segments of the population which in turn contributes to the trivializing of what is apparently wrong.

We're all Myths, we might say. That's part, I think, of the meaning and power of the Cremation of Care Ceremony and the mindset of the elite who participate: "We're all myth anyway, I'll build me as my own grand myth. Law of the jungle, survival of the fittest (including Eugenics) may the best man win and all that."

Some of our modern myth-makers have caught my attention, too. The Aviary link in my sig takes a look at some of them. We know, in big-boy world, that we are under psychosocial-manipulation by the sociological adepts of the elite apparatus.

In my thinking, Psy-ops and/or Societal Control are no different than what might be called "Black Magick." I'm not usually in the habit of quoting Aleister Crowley, but I think his definition of magic is very down-to-earth so-to-speak:

...and defined it as "the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will", including both "mundane" acts of will as well as ritual magic. Crowley wrote that "it is theoretically possible to cause in any object any change of which that object is capable by nature"

en.wikipedia.org...

Majick, then, says Crowley, is basically the varied application of focused Will. It doesn't necessarily need a supernatural component. But whatever, and however that might be, there is one persistent theme comprising two different groups that can be loosely--or maybe only--called the "Light-bringer vs Adonai" thematic.

It's that recurring thing that's been going on for ages and keeps popping up. Are we writing our own myths and living them out? That's possible.

On the other hand, who can be blamed for seeing evidence of intelligences greater than ourselves moving in a concerted plan throughout history? Like you pointed out:

You know, you never know. I do agree that the 'elites' of our world, both on the left (UN) and right (Bohemian grove) have a uncanny fascination with the irrational, spiritual, and esoteric dimensions of reality. Take lucis trust - which is an officially sponsored organization of the UN; or Robert Mueller, who served as under-secretary general to 4 different UN secretary generals for 45 years. He was known around the UN as the "UN philosopher"l whats especially bizarre is his own confessing to basing his political ideas on the theosophical musing of Alice Bailey, the very person who founded Lucis Trust. Now, this is extremely strange. Alice Bailey was an eccentric; she claimed to have channeled her writings from a tibetan guru who in turn claimed to be a 'representative' of the guardians of our planet.

And that's where some strangeness enters the door of history once again. A plan and an intelligence that worked through so many different kinds of people, consistent through time and extending through past and present. Culminating, one day, into an NWO maybe?

On one-side of the coin we postulate that what mankind sees as the "spiritual realm" or "astral plane" or some other esoteric dimension is a natural but imaginary mental construct, poorly-understood, some inbred mechanism necessary to our survival, or obversely, an actual "as above, so below" hierarchy of what can only be called a spiritual dimension of some sort.

We see historical changes in society, a move towards some kind of an NWO by some very powerful folk, and the "socio-manipulation" of the masses by the Elites.

Much of those changes wrought through the human energies of folk under the guidance of channeled information as you mention--Bailey, Mueller, a whole host of others, and before that Blavatsky.

Then what kind of creeps me out is that Theosophy/New Thought gets kind of quiet for awhile, modern technology advances, and all of a sudden instead of channeling Ascended Masters and encountering beings of light, we have folk seeing UFOs, and Contactees talking to E.T.

Was the apparent "identity" change--from channeled Spirit to channeled Alien a trick of our collective subconscious on our own selves, or a trick on us by something sneaky, non-human, and purpose driven?

Adamski was channeling more traditional subjects until some switch was flipped and then it was Bam; flying saucers and nordics after that.

It's the subject matter of this thread really: Whatever the occult is and whatever the UFOs are, they seem very comfortable together. Almost as if they were synonymous.

As it turns out, the early Contactees, and Channelers, were the genesis of the new age movement. There was George Hunt Williamson (Real name Michael d' Obrenovic) an Adamski witness, a Contactee, a Channeler, and apparently a visionary new age shaman. The Johnny Appleseed of the Age of Aquarius.

"George Hunt Williamson -- 1950’s era carnival barker for Adamski’s Venusian UFO Space Brothers was not only a seminal UFOlogist but also an mysterious occultist and maverick archaeologist

In his book George Hunt Williamson & the Genesis of the Contactees by Alec Hidel, Hidel states that:

On November 20, 1952, Williamson and his wife Betty were among the witnesses to George Adamski’s historic first meeting with Orthon the Venusian in the desert near Mt. Palomar, California.

This event more than any other seems to have catalyzed his activities. From then on, he switched into high gear, publishing The Saucers Speak in 1954 and following it up with a series of the most remarkable UFO documents ever conceived.

link

But it would be a mistake--and seems to be a common one in ufology--to soley, or even primarily, lump him into the Contactee category.

Apparently, among other things, he was a remarkable Channeler:

Like many a UFO buff before and since, Williamson later gravitated to the southwestern state of Arizona, settling in Prescott and attempting to contact the space people by radio telegraphy and direct-voice channeling.

According to investigator Sean Devney, quoting from eyewitness accounts,
"When Williamson started to channel, it was something truly inexplicable. [He] would begin speaking in several different voices, one right after the other."

link

Being an early Contactee would seem to be the least of his accomplishments.

Some more quotes from Alec Hidel's George Hunt Williamson & the Genesis of the Contactees:

"It would however, be a capital error to classify him solely as a UFO researcher. He was above all an occultist whose activities helped to usher in a new magical aeon -- the aeon of the Flying Saucer.

[...] 

"Pelley and Adamski ...Hunrath and Laughead ...John Mc Coy and the Stanford brothers...It was from the tangled lives of these men that the contemporary UFO mythos first grew and took shape."

link

His own researches continued in an unbroken trajectory, encompassing hermetics, ancient tribal lore, and Theosophical literature.

There can be no doubt that, by accident or design, he and his various collaborators played an enormous part in shaping New Age thought in all its manifestations.

Together they constituted the single most important occult group of the post-war era.

Their influence is made all the more remarkable by the fact that it has seldom been acknowledged, or even perceived, by other researchers in the field.

And, hey, even "Ra" noted him.


Not neglecting that the CIA had infiltrated--maybe even created-- the Contactee movement. That adds a whole other level of weirdness to it.

It looks like one plan spread throughout history and a plethora of "plugged into the astral" people who are also plugged into everything from the U.N. to the dissemination of the knowledge from our Space Brothers (Or Ascended Master take your pick.)

Speaking of NWOs, I mean after all the dust has settled from whatever forms of social upheavals we face in our future, a new spirituality will be needed, after all, right?

One to replace sectarian religions--maybe that's where an MJ-12 or Serpo meme-myth gets slipped in. The "Aliens made/guided/will save us" religion. Could that be one reason why the CIA manipulated the early contactees and ufology in general?

Since you don't totally rule out something "Project Bluebeamish" then are you familiar with Jacques Vallee's theory of Rendlesham being a sophisticated psychological/technological test? I lean toward his theory on that one after all is said and done. So, if they could actually pull it off, it could certainly come in handy to power-mongers.

For me, at this point, it seems to me that we are indeed the pawns of something much bigger than our conflicting subconscious. It wouldn't, after all, make much of a difference one way or another anyway because the script seems to be playing out all the same.

…with plays like the cremation of care and even Goethes Faust [!] how the devil do you reconcile this behavior with their Christian, often evangelic exoteric comportment? It makes little sense, unless, of course, you posit the notion that there are 'members' of both sides of the political spectrum who equally strive towards destroying the judeo-Christian ethical and cultural order to be replaced by a pagan, moral relativistic, perhaps 'nondualistic' society.

We see these ideas present both in the modernistic myths of theosophy and Alice Bailey (and thus the UN) as well as in the traditional pagan themes at bohemian grove. Another strange quirk: Isn't it odd that the Republican party's logo has 3 stars, all inverted? And doesn't the idea of inversion, symbolize something that is indirect, or not quite clear on the surface?

Yep, it's all odd. One might say supernaturally so and be forgiven. You are a splendid thinker, dontreally. I'm enjoying your thoughts.

reply to post by The GUT

We're all Myths, we might say. That's part, I think, of the meaning and power of the Cremation of Care Ceremony and the mindset of the elite who participate: "We're all myth anyway, I'll build me as my own grand myth. Law of the jungle, survival of the fittest (including Eugenics) may the best man win and all that."

Yeah, that way of looking at things doesn't really appeal to me; it's also easily corrupted to the point of total nihilism.

As great as I think art is, life, or rather, what exists, should never be supplanted by art. For example, my humanness, your humanness, should never be subjected to the games of human whim.

It's a pagan proclivity to sacrifice men to concepts, symbolized by the 'passing children' through the fire, to Moloch or some other pagan deity.

Humans aren't objects. We are living, thinking and feeling beings. Responsibility to what IS (and so, morality), should always take precedence to the thrills of myth making.

In my thinking, Psy-ops and/or Societal Control are no different than what might be called "Black Magick."

They in essence work from the same principles and take advantage of the same dynamics. In fact, I would imagine that psych-ops could be supplemented by traditional magick, in certain situations; it probably already is by some individuals within the intelligence community.

called the "Light-bringer vs Adonai" thematic.

Never heard of it. Is it similar to the dichotomy made by gnostics between 'gnosis', or nondualism, and the 'jewish God', or YHWH, or, speaking more technically, an emphasis on perceiving things in terms of an inherent dualism between object and subject, and so instead of glorifying the approach of 'nondualism', whats appreciated is the relational quality between things? Even nondualism cannot avoid the pitfall of seld contradiction; it too is subject to the higher principle of relation. All acting from the principle of nondualism results in the recognition - even if reigned in by a nondualistic metaphysics - of object, that which you acknowledge to be 'other' and subject, yourself.

In other words, I find much of the gnostic 'archon' dogma to be stupid nonsense.

Culminating, one day, into an NWO maybe?

I'm currently rereading Milton Friedmans 'capitalism and freedom' and in the section where he discusses fractional reserve banking, he alludes to the eventuality that sooner or later central banks are gonna be unable to continue lending from each other. Sooner or later, some crisis will lead to the complete collapse of the entire banking system, necessitating serious monetary and economic reform.

Did this happen by accident? Of course, psychologists and other theorists will tell us that human greed caused this problem; I find that claim highly specious; given the esoteric currents amongst social elites, I believe that this eventuality was designed into the system, probably with the intention for it to fall apart in the time period that we currently live.

under the guidance of channeled information as you mention-

That too could be propaganda.

Was the apparent "identity" change--from channeled Spirit to channeled Alien a trick of our collective subconscious on our own selves, or a trick on us by something sneaky, non-human, and purpose driven?

I lean towards seeing these 'ufo's and alien cults in the context of the age in which we live; mythic beings can only make sense to us in terms which correspond to ideas within the popular culture.

But that doesn't mean they couldn't also be real, and couldn't also have an interest in seeing this world develop in a way amenable to themselves.

Awhile back some guy here mentioned the 'dark side of the moon' and an astral dimension generated by demonic energies. What I interpreted of his theory was that counter-intuitive actions, or actions which disobey reason, give 'reality' to entirely phantom like planes of being. These planes only exist relative to this realm and are entirely dependent on the moral weakness of players in this world for it's continued existence. Imagine it as the ontological cognate of societies collective vice. Anyways, since this world represents a 'separation' from the order mandated by the dictates of reason, it also stands to reason that an essential element of this plane of being is separation - or selfishness. This poster, can't remember who it was, said, or insinuated, that people can transfer or deposit their consciousness, memories, basically who they are, into an astral body; in doing so they conquer death.

Now, of course, I don't just believe this, but I do find it plausible, especially if the idea of a parallel realm exists which interacts with our world through what we would call 'mental' phenomena.

If an ontological parallel exists throughout, why not the demonic? The premise of the idea of 'demonic' is separation, chaos, disorder; for example, to shirk the command of reason, or conscience, which tells us 'don't steal that money, that person worked hard for it, just like you work hard for yours' creates a tendency, or rather, energizes a tendency, which may exist metaphysically along with our world.

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according to investigator Sean Devney, quoting from eyewitness accounts, "When Williamson started to channel, it was something truly inexplicable. [He] would begin speaking in several different voices, one right after the other."

You know, this phenomena shouldn't be treated with as much skepticism as it's usually treated by the mainstream.

You have to go to the root to appreciate channeling and occultism and psychic phenomena and UFO's; they all intersect, and that can only be done by studying the various brands of mysticism there are and getting to know it's underlying assumption: that there exists a parallelism between the phenomena of consciousness and the things of the physical world. And that the difference between them is not only that of quality, but also quantity - they are causally connected; the more subtler being 'above' and somehow anterior to the events of the physical world.

Now, no concrete science exists to explain these differences between the two categories. The Kabbalah is an interesting system, inasmuch as it is a self consistent system which works from the premise that number and symmetry underlie reality, but Vedanta, although nowhere near as elegant as the Kabbalah, has far more concrete ideas about the various levels and gradations and types between things and world; so whereas the Kabbalah sees things in a truly "monotheistic way", Hinduism is experimental, it has concrete descriptions of various powers that human beings can attain, and individual traditions covering a myriad of different techniques etc.

Anyways, you have to appreciate these ideas at a spiritual level, to really find this idea plausible.

I think most scientists must have the vague suspicion that there work will eventually lead to a 'unified theory' which unites consciousness with physics, and that this connection would be made meaningful in terms of a causal relationship between qualitative states, which sounds ironic, yet, as you move from the spiritual to the physical, you essentially move from the qualitative to the quantitative.

Magic and mind control are closely associated I do agree, they have controlled the world through human magik, religion, mind control, virtual reality, and the occult.

Originally posted by greyer
Magic and mind control are closely associated I do agree, they have controlled the world through human magik, religion, mind control, virtual reality, and the occult.

Just add 'UFO' to your list above, my old ATS friend, and then I think you'll be hittin' 'em over the fence.

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Light-bearer vs Adonai

Alber Mackey an authority among masons has identified as Adonai essentially being Dionysus who was Osiris and essentially Maitreya also. This comes from the evolution of the mystery schools and their expansion into the surrounding cultures and can be found in History of Freemasonry by Albert Mackey in the mystery school chapters.

The Light-bearer is the same concept and there in fact is no Light bearer vs Adonai as Albert Pike though Albert Pike may disagree. Light bearer, the Sun.

This of course is based on the death and rebirth rituals of the ancient mystery schools and Pike makes a distinction between the character dying and being reborn being the Sun or some other character.

In masonry Hiram Abiff essentially plays the role of the light bearer in that he is murdered, his followers search for his body and he is raised from the grave. (A very common tale; osiris redrum'd then isis searches for his body and he is brought back)

This ritual is important among occult groups and is often used in initiations or preparations to experience what I will refer to as the higher spheres as it coincides with out discussion earlier.


Now why is this relevant to the discussion? Well for one it is a key ritual structure for occult groups and may provide a link to understanding how the UFO phenomena connects to the occult.

Well it may prove useful if one decides to experiment with the occult to confirm or disprove such associations.
(though I know you likely will not as you have stated you prefer scientific proofs rather than those subject to human interpretations).

PS

As you noted a possibility of the CIA infiltrating and/or perpetuating the abduction phenomena it should also be noted that there is a strong connection between the CIA (and other intelligence agencies) and the occult circles. Several directors and early members of the CIA in fact come from the membership of the Skull and Bones society which has been proven (through circumstantial evidence at least) to be an occult organization which practices a death and rebirth ritual.

Also here is a link to an ATS thread showing many of the badges used by military organizations and they bear obvious symbolism stemming from the occult and even UFO/Alien (though little green men are clearly a reference to the green-man in an occult interpretation).

Aliens Featured On Air Force Insignias. Strange NASA And Black Projects Patches!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Note the desert prowlers badge especially as it has a demon rising out of a book with 6 5-pointed stars (there is that ratio again) and IX XI on either side of the demon which seems to be a reference to as above so below. Biblical interpretations also state the devil resides in the wilderness (aka desert to the Semitic peoples of the region) and stalks (or prowls) the land searching for those he may desire. A whole lot of symbolism packed onto that one.

Also for future investigations of the symbolism of the matter is that horns often represent higher consciousness/ illumination/ activation of the crown chakra/ 3rd eye. Much the same is the Unicorn's horn though it is usually associated with women.

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

Adonai essentially being Dionysus who was Osiris and essentially Maitreya also.

I imagine he was referring to a pagan deity also called Adonai - and not the God worshiped by the Jews, who is deferentially termed 'Adonai' - Lord, instead of uttering the tetragrammaton.

This of course is based on the death and rebirth rituals of the ancient mystery schools and Pike makes a distinction between the character dying and being reborn being the Sun or some other character.

The myth of eternal return. Good book by Mircea Eliade.

This is definitely the essence of the religion of the Aryan peoples.

though I know you likely will not as you have stated you prefer scientific proofs rather than those subject to human interpretations

You totally misunderstand me. I have experience with the occult. How do you think my knowledge of this is so well? You think I read, and don't get tempted to 'try' and test my theory? That's the scientific thing to do.

I know quite well what happens during a seance, and what comes through, and what all it's participants are witnessing.

I also know the power of a trance and being used as a 'channel' by some other creature (not myself). As I personally once stupidly attempted to make use of the ShemHaMephorash, the 72 letter name. I was a little overwhelmed by the influx of energy, and have been traumatized since.

It's not for the light hearted. You have to come at these subjects with a full theoretical knowledge, a guide, and a courage and confidence in your personal abilities.

I don't mess around with it anymore. I went 'through a phase' where it was one of main interests, but I've since gone onto other interests, mainly in philosophy and politics.

reply to post by dontreally


My apologies I was being presumptuous.

As you have experience have you ever experienced beings of the other side? I once foolishly performed what was essentially a sex magic ritual with a girl friend on a whim to confirm if there was anything to the matter and the result was disturbing. The most lucid dream I have ever experienced and came face to face with something of which I am still not sure how to classify it. Not terrifying just fitting more the iconography of Shiva in that it was blue with yellow eyes and was overwhelmingly enormous. Its face constituted the entirety of my vision and from the onset of my lucidity to the end we merely stared at each other. I finally woke up in almost a sitting position with my girl asking me what was going on and apparently was getting worried because I had been like that for several minutes.

I have experienced other entities while lucid dreaming but nothing that ever matched the intensity of that confrontation.

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

The most lucid dream I have ever experienced and came face to face with something of which I am still not sure how to classify it.

Yeah, I wouldn't try that.

Although I can understand the temptation you could have had - both in terms of satisfying curiosity, and possibly increasing sexual pleasure.

overwhelmingly enormous.

I imagine it was the 'creature' or being, or what many would call a demon - or the Hindus call a god, like Shiva, or Kali, or Rudras, all different 'aspects' of Shiva.

In any case, I imagine it's a very bizarre experience. One second your here, and the next second, your interacting with something which you don't quite know what. It presents itself as an archetypal principle, yet this principle possesses individual will and intellectual powers to pursue its own designs.

And multiple such beings exist.

One wonders exactly what they are. To really 'hit' it on the head, you have to depersonalize the whole matter and look at it in metaphysical terms. The various 'apparitions' engage the occultist in the terms of the culture of the individual. So these concepts - whatever they are - merely use our stories as 'clothing' to connect with us; if I say Ba'al in Canaan, or Osiris in Egypt, or something along similar archetypal lines in some other civilization, the 'apparition' which responds and talks to you and invests you with powers and abilities, these things must be fundamentally real ontologically, as the abstract forms of not only our thoughts, feelings, actions - and other such human created phenomena - but also in the animal kingdom, plant kingdom, inanimate kingdom, some 'spirit' of a sort exists, with an awareness that seems to be able to communicate to us something of itself. And besides this - there are ontological cognates of all things - not simply individual 'thoughts', but more generally, the archetype, or conceptual quality of different things. Anger, or war, or violence etc, every fathomable archetype; and Above this, yet still more abstractly, you encounter 'fundamental' metaphysical principles, which are divinized in many Greek myths, such as Hesiod's theogony, as well as homers Illiad, and in the myths of Babylon, Egypt, India etc.

In short, in order not to leave any stone unturned, it becomes necessary to make sense of this. Do ideas exist in themselves, as Plato said? If they do, then everything 'below', bizarrely enough, also exists 'above'.

But, as I said, I lost interest because I could no longer intellectually justify the purpose behind occultism. If we exist in this world, and the other world is so drastically different from this world, and the other seems to have no constructive purpose, i.e one cannot live a truly good life, free from unnecessary suffering. To me, it's no more than a mediation between the point - God - and the physical world. What matters is living here, being here, and creating here. When I am happy with my sister, it's not the thought of the ontological emotion which the happiness creates that matters, but my discovery of MEANING and PURPOSE in the experience with my sister. In short, it's an ontological aftereffect.

It's almost something which humans should not bother with, because its like tweaking the mechanics on a car that isn't yours. The world is in the hands of it's Architect, so let him control the 'mechanics' behind the external appearance.

The Kabbalah has something deep to say about this. It's only in this world - the Kabbalists say - that one can connect with Gods inner will in Creation. This inner will is the individual experience, life choice, successes and failures that each of us go through. In these experiences, we come to the hidden reason in existence.

Paradoxically, it's by ignoring the 'people behind the stage' that you come to really understand the purpose of the show.

I went on david ickes site and signed up.

There was a thread on these balck cloaked "demons" after the US gov had harrassed me i had a dream of me at a gas station in a desert.

Instanly my hairs stood up on my neck at the pump. I rocketed 100 plus ft in the air knowing something evil was wanting my attention or threat level near me.

Three Dark clad hooded beings sat under a desert tree in the oregon desert as I was in the air spiritually in a dream ready to overpower the threat and then I realized they sent me a telepathic message saying they were no threat and I ended up sitting under a desert tree with these three shadow cloaked beings after i had returned from my trip from texas.

I dont know what we spoke of but they sat cross legged with me and assuaged my fears.

I felt at peace with what happend. I am a dream master btw able to manipulate dreams at will although only a few times have I done this.

I went on david ickes site and signed up.

There was a thread on these black cloaked "demons" after the US gov had harrassed me i had a dream of me at a gas station in a desert.

Instanly my hairs stood up on my neck at the pump. I rocketed 100 plus ft in the air knowing something evil was wanting my attention or threat level near me.

Three Dark clad hooded beings sat under a desert tree in the oregon desert as I was in the air spiritually in a dream ready to overpower the threat and then I realized they sent me a telepathic message saying they were no threat and I ended up sitting under a desert tree with these three shadow cloaked beings after i had returned from my trip from texas.

I dont know what we spoke of but they sat cross legged with me and assuaged my fears.

I felt at peace with what happend. I am a dream master btw able to manipulate dreams at will although only a few times have I done this.

In highschool my girlfriends name was mary scarlet bernard and she was from virginia and had visited the cia through a family friend. whoops