Tremors felt 45 miles away from Bayou Corne Sinkhole!

reply to post by happykat39


Ok, watched the video and yes that study with the blood samples has been and continues to be done. Hell, I would hate to see what my blood contains, I eat seafood 3 to 4 times a week depending on the season.

Now onto the chloride... What I believe it is is brine. It could be the brine they are pumping into the dome or in fact some of the dome is washing away... Can't jump to any real conclusion off a few tremors and brine popping up in the Mississippi. If it is in the Mississippi, I really don't want to hear about the samples from Bayou Lafourche, to scared to find out.

To me, it is just a train crash happening in slow motion and there is nothing on God's green earth we can do to stop it. Except minimize the damage. Just like happykat said

Now that the meetings are getting fewer and fewer, residents are starting to get angry and forgotten. Don't be surprised if some protest break out. I ask everyone of y'all to mail your congressman or senator. Contact groups such as Sierra Club, Green Peace, PETA. The residents in Bayou Corne, Pierre Part, and Grand Bayou are in desperate need of help.

Originally posted by CajunBoy
reply to post by happykat39

 

Ok, watched the video and yes that study with the blood samples has been and continues to be done. Hell, I would hate to see what my blood contains, I eat seafood 3 to 4 times a week depending on the season.

Now onto the chloride... What I believe it is is brine. It could be the brine they are pumping into the dome or in fact some of the dome is washing away... Can't jump to any real conclusion off a few tremors and brine popping up in the Mississippi. If it is in the Mississippi, I really don't want to hear about the samples from Bayou Lafourche, to scared to find out.

To me, it is just a train crash happening in slow motion and there is nothing on God's green earth we can do to stop it. Except minimize the damage. Just like happykat said

Now that the meetings are getting fewer and fewer, residents are starting to get angry and forgotten. Don't be surprised if some protest break out. I ask everyone of y'all to mail your congressman or senator. Contact groups such as Sierra Club, Green Peace, PETA. The residents in Bayou Corne, Pierre Part, and Grand Bayou are in desperate need of help.

edit on 30-11-2012 by CajunBoy because: (no reason given)

Ok, I have resisted saying this for long enough. Up until now it would have been just a cheap shot joke. Now it is becoming reality.

Considering what it is, where it is at and the waning interest of your officials, I would say that you guys are about to get Corne holed.

I feel like its a situation of I don't know what to do, I don't know how to fix it so lets just ignore it and hopefully it will go away. Wouldn't it be refreshing to just hear a government expert admit that they have no idea what is going on, admit that the situation is serious, tell people we have done our best to contain the situation but it is beyond our control; it is no longer safe here, its time to relocate. This makes me sick because I think the area is or is fastly becoming uninhabitable. This is a major environmental disaster.

reply to post by BrieBird


The government can't do that they have to shift the blame to something where they are not liable at all. Evidence can be acquired to protect their perception and anything contrary to their train of thought can be discredited. Normal modern human behavior....Shift the blame or focus.

reply to post by rickymouse


Just read this the small town of Doyline, LA has been given hours to evacuate due to 1 million pounds of illegally stored M6 propellant powder at camp minden. This is apparantly a highly volatile substance. I have a bad feeling about this

www.shreveporttimes.com...

reply to post by BrieBird


Sounds like a lot of the residents are use to the explosions and don't plan on evacuating. If it was a positive risk they would make it mandatory. Why they don't take care of things before they get to the point of danger is a question that should be asked.

reply to post by happykat39

That monitor being at the butane storage site and looking like it does for as long as it does, if not from the activities related to emptying it, is seriously disturbing.

I linked the sound file for LA06 but it was the same type od signal as LA08 on the same day. It sounds like interference. See the post towards the top of the page.

I will go an get LA08 now but I think that will be more of the same.

Didnt see this posted yet here.

Officials investigating if over 100 pounds of poisonous hydrogen sulfide was released near giant sinkhole.

According to the Assumption Parish Police Jury website, Texas Brine has reported high levels of Hydrogen Sulfide from their sonic vent well that is drilled into the cap rock at the giant sinkhole near Grand Bayou and Bayou Corne.

Hydrogen Sulfide is a poisonous, flammable gas and has a very bad odor. The smell is described as the smell of rotten eggs. Unlike methane, it is heavier than air and collects at low to the ground levels. No community air monitors have detected Hydrogen Sulfide.

The well was shut down due to these levels. This vent well is the deepest vent well on the property. The Department of Natural Resources’ contractor, The Shaw Group, is currently investigating. Assumption Parish officials are currently waiting on additional details from DNR. [...]

enenews.com...

Ok with all the is happening at Camp Minden, I think they are trying to pull "Hey guys look at this hand" type move.

I have a PDF file of a document that was sent to residents of the evacuated area. Can someone message me and tell me how I can show it on here please.

Not sure what to make out of this.

Anyone?



dnr.louisiana.gov...

reply to post by BrieBird

LA08 the monitor over the butane cavern experienced major activity this morning

The problem is that this did not show up on any of the other seismos as a corresponding signal. They are all doing their own thing and for ANY of that activity to be seismic in the cavern, or even seismic from wall slump in the sink hole then at least two or three, or in fact all, of the seismos should show the same signal.

First here is a table you can use to determine when a sink hole event should arrive at a seismo depending on whether it is a seismic signal or sound in air.



Now look at an example of a signal that appears it might be from the same source.



I have been all the way through the seismos, all of them, side by side, looking at only 4 minutes spread at a time and not one single signal matches directly using the offsets. Basically this means that none of those signals emanated from the sink hole.

I will now re-arrange all of those and see if any signals from LA08 are matched on other seismos indicating something happening at the dome.



I checked them all and nothing from the area LA08 matches any of the seismos thus it is reasonably safe to assume that NO seismic events were occurring under LA08.

There is a certain amount of correlation between LA01 and LA02 but that is to be expected as they are equidistant from Highway 70 and are both picking up traffic. The separation indicates the direction of travel.

If anyone has Audacity and would like to verify this for themselves let me know as I have saved the data as an Audacity project file.

reply to post by riverwild


What do you mean? It is a list of all the caverns and what they are storing and whether they are active or not.


ETA:

Not sure what to make out of this.

My apologies if that came over a bit abrupt. I am not actually sure what you are asking?

Finally getting a bit of wider media coverage:

Louisiana Sinkhole Evacuees Won't Be Home For Awhile

From the Huffington Post article:

But things don't stay still for long at the hole. After Thanksgiving, the hole burped up vegetative debris on Nov. 27, and hydrocarbons rose from beneath the hole, according to the Assumption Parish Police Jury. Trees fell in that day and the next. Boom was repositioned to contain hydrocarbons on the surface.

Texas Brine said sinkhole measurements taken on Nov. 14 and reported on Nov. 27 showed the hole had deepened by 30 feet to 145 feet since Nov. 1.

And here is something about seismic activity (or lack thereof) that PM (btw, the "couple of seconds" reference was spatial, not temporal) might be able to sink his teeth in to:

As for tremors, Landry said "I haven't felt them, but other people have. U.S. Geological Survey experts tell us the Aug. 3 collapse of the cavern knocked off large chunks of salt, causing tremors. USGS says the tremors are internal or localized and were not caused by broader seismic activity."

On Nov. 23, the Assumption Parsh Police Jury said "Dr. Will Pettitt, principal geophysicist at Itasca Consulting Group, reviewed seismic data recorded overnight on Nov. 20 to 21. Long-period seismic tremors and micro-earthquakes have been observed." Itasca Consulting, based in Minneapolis, was hired by Shaw to examine the collapsed rock zone under the sinkhole. The area's long-period, seismic tremors are belived to hav been caused by gas or fluid movements through the collapsed zone below the hole on the edge of the salt dome.

"Micro-earthquakes of this nature are typically associated with small-scale rock movements, and are believed to be occurring in the collapse zone," according to the Assumption Parish Police Jury.

Prior to that, Texas Brine on Oct. 1 was ordered by the state to do a geologic survey and collect relevant data. Cranch said "we submitted a subsurface survey plan to the state's Dept. of Natural Resources and are waiting to hear back about it."

I feel so bad for the people directly affected and don't really know much more of what could be done. The person they interviewed in the article seems toe be almost ok with where things stand:

Evacuees don't know when they'll be able to return. "We're waiting for air monitors, waiting to see more flaring of gas," Landry said. "We expect to attend another community meeting in the first or second week of December."

He continued "I feel the authorities and Texas Brine are telling us most of what we need to know, and people in the community are staying on top of that information. But we're frustrated because there are still so many unknowns. Florida and other states have sinkholes but the dynamics are fairly unique here in that oil and gas are involved. And from what I can tell, this shouldn't even be called a sinkhole. Geologically, what we had was a collapse." end

emphasis mine

I am not too sure I agree with that, but then again I am not there so I couldn't say if sufficient information is being disseminated.

Hey guys, Assumption parish police jury just voted to force Texas Brine to give the option to buy out or relocate residents.
They also voted to object to any and all extensions, contengincies, or modification to the order envoked by the Department of Natural Resources onto Texas Brine in connection with the sinkhole in Bayou Corne.

Now the local government is taking control! Just voted on little under an hour ago!

reply to post by CajunBoy


That is both excellent and sad for those that sought to make a life for themselves there in Bayou Corne. I am happy they are demanding a buy out of their homes. That place will never be the same.

And now Ohio:

Ohio Sinkhole Devours Four Football Fields Of Land, Stretch Of State Highway 516 Near Dover

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Puterman.....could any of this be related to New Madrid? Theory I saw floating on internet.

reply to post by timetothink


That Ohio sinkhole was the result of a dredging accident.

See Doodle's thread here...

These two events are completely separate and not associated with one another except tenuously.

reply to post by PuterMan


Not abrupt at all PM. That's what I was asking. Thanks.

Sinkholes and what's stored in these areas is all new to me. Quite frightening actually.

Are they all located in LA?

reply to post by riverwild


There is probably 100+ salt domes in Louisiana. A good portion of them are used by oil companies for storage. In Louisiana, the federal government controls 2 domes for the Strategic Oil Reserve program. Might bump up to 3, they have been studying a dome not far from my home. Plan on putting another strategic oil reserve.