The Great Delusion: EVIDENCE of Babylon in America and Israel

Originally posted by renegadeloser
It's easy to say that Tammuz and Horus are one in the same, and then just tell the Egyptian myth, replacing it with biblical versions of Babylonian names. But, you don't provide any sources for these specific story elements in actual babylonian accounts that have been recovered archeologically. Yes the Horus, Isis, Osiris myth is another rendition of these other myths, but to state that the myths are Identical is misleading.

Pretty darn similar if you ask me.

Where Nimrod is the "sun god", Semiramis is the "moon goddess'. She was worshiped throughout the world by each of the titles associated with Nimrod's worship, in addition to many titles unique to herself (see table below). For instance, the respective Greek and Roman names applied to the worship of Semiramis include: Aphrodite and Venus, the goddess of love; Artemis and Diana, the goddess of hunting and childbirth; Athena and Minerva, the goddess of crafts, war and wisdom; Demeter and Ceres, the goddess of growing things; Gaea and Terra, symbol of the fertile earth; Hera and Juno, the protector of marriage and women, who was the sister and wife of Zeus in Greek mythology, and the wife of Jupiter in Roman mythology; Hestia and Vesta, the goddess of the hearth; plus Rhea or Ops, who was wife and sister of the Greek horned-god Kronos.

Mother and Son Worship

Semiramis was initially included in the pagan Babylonian trinity as the holy spirit or seed of the divine son in his mother's womb. With time, however, the father Nimrod was practically overlooked and worshiped only as the god-incarnate son in his mother's arms. In other words, the father became invisible and was no longer worshiped, whereas, the mother with the god-incarnate son in her arms became the grand object of worship. Numerous Babylonian monuments show the goddess-mother Semiramis with her son in her arms. This worship of mother and child spread throughout the known world, and given different names in the various languages of the world. Ancient Germans worshipped the virgin Hertha with child in arms. Scandinavians called her Disa pictured with child. The Egyptian mother and child were worshiped as Isis with the infant Osiris or Horus seated on his mother's lap. In India, the mother and child were called Devaki and Krishna, and also Isi and Iswara as they are worshiped to this day. In Asia, they were known as Cybele and Deoius; in pagan Rome, as Fortuna and Jupiter-puer, or Jupiter, the boy; in Greece, as Ceres, the great mother with babe at her breast, or as Irene, the goddess of peace, with the boy Plutus in her arms.

The image of mother with child in her arms was so firmly entrenched in the pagan mind that after the time Christianity appeared on the scene in the fourth century, these statues and paintings were merely renamed and worshiped as the virgin Mary with her god-incarnate son Jesus. Thus, the pagan mother and child entered Christianity as the Roman Catholic worship of Mary with the infant Jesus. In fact, in Tibet, China, and Japan, Jesuit missionaries were astonished to find the counterpart of the madonna and child as devoutly worshiped as they were in Rome. Shing Moo, the holy mother in China was portrayed with a child in her arms and a glory around her, exactly as if she had been fashioned by Roman Catholic artisans.

Semiramis Worship

As I have showed the myths themselves are not identical, what IS important are the recurring themes within them and that they have evolved to disguise themselves in many cultures and religions at critical points throughout history.

Peace,
DK

reply to post by DarkKnight21

I'm not disputing that these two myths represent the same archetype. In fact I think I conceded this fact. What I am saying is that some of the specifics of these myths are different, and unique to each culture. The OP used a link to a thread as it's source recounted story elements that are unique to the Egyptian version, and ascribed them to the Babylonian myths. When your source has basic facts such as these wrong, it doesn't make the post seem well informed or educated.

Yes it is true that myths have archetypes that are universal to all cultures. This represents a great mystery. The OP totally discounts the notion that this could be due to common unconscious thought constructs. However, if this were the cause, don't you think that the image of mother and child is a likely candidate to be such an archetype.

If the image of mother and child isn't built in to the human psyche, I don't think that any is.

I personally tend to go a step further, thinking that these archetypes are universal because they represent cosmic realities.

reply to post by renegadeloser


Thanks for your input.

Notice the crescent moon above Isis in the above picture.

The crescent moon represents the feminine side of Babylon because it is symbolic of the womb.

It is not just a simple depiction of mother and child.

When you really look for the patterns and learn the language of Mystery Babylon, I would say it would be less than reasonable to assume this is just a coincidence.

Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17Kudos. That's the type of attitude I love to see and it seems increasingly rare.

Cheers. If more people revealed their personal bias ahead of time there would be a lot less room for trolls and shills on ATS to operate. You wouldn't have people being accused and questioned about hidden agendas all the time. Just good, thought-provoking discussion like many posters have shown here. Thanks to all for your replies, stars and flags. I'd hoped more material could be exposed and the conversation could continue, but either way I've enjoyed the discussion with you all.

The whore is Jerusalem.

reply to post by guitarplayer


Depending on your interpretation, it could also represent the Catholic Church, considering their incorporation of complex pagan traditions into simple faith in Christ.

Having heard bits of pieces of what Babylon was like over the years, from what I gather, it soared to affluence however was doomed after its leaders got greedy and performed dark rituals to ensure their success in military operations.

As usual, a YT for reference:

This whole conspiracy is reaching...and reaching far. It reminds me of a similar (and equally ridiculous) video I saw on YouTube where they had sifted through plenty of context, moved pieces of “data” around to fit their agenda, all in an effort to say that Obama was the reincarnation of the leader of the Sebud (sp?) cult that his mother was a member of. Basically it was twenty minutes of nonsense labeled as evidence trying to say Obama was the antichrist.

Anyone can take an idea, pick and choose certain pieces of information, and distort it to support an argument. In no way does that make it true.

Not on board with this one.

The Bible is vague because dumb people are mystified by fantastically bad writing.

Youve spent how many decades trying to figure out why a liar wants you to believe him? I think we can logically narrow it down to food drugs sex power criminal immunity and ego. Thats why people lie. And you, the willfull idiots are the reason kids get raped at the Vatican.