Evolution Now Dead. 30 Papers Suggest DNA is Encoded Intelligently

reply to post by EnochWasRight


In science, you don't have to accept anything on faith - there is no "science of the gaps".
The rational mind is willing to accept new information and adjust it's understanding accordingly. In-fact if new research reveals evidence that shows their initial ideas are wrong, they will change their ideas to conform with the evidence.
The faith based mind seeks to interpret new information in such a way that it does not conflict with previously held beliefs.
It is the creationist that preach that God and evolution are mutually exclusive, whereas in reality the two are not at all incompatible.

reply to post by colin42

What history books?

The bible for one, the summerian tablets and other variations of religion all suggest we were placed here.

So does Pye, sitchen, Von Daniken.
So tell me, can so many people be wrong and you be correct?

If your so called history book is based on the supernatural then it is not a history book. IT IS A FANTASY

Your argument has no basis as the word fantasy is not used in the definition of the term supernatural. It would be benificial to you to get an education and actually read it in the dozen or so times that I have posted it for you. Fantasy is YOUR interpratation of the term and your opinion. If you commonly replace fact with fiction, I can totally understand how you fell into believing evoltuion is a scientific theory, its not, nor is it proven, tested, identified, or predicted. Evolution fails the litmus for test of having any scientific value.

Jesus wept how many times do you need to be told. No species evolves into something else they just evolve. Small changes over time selected for by the environment.

NOTHING CHANGES INTO SOMETHING ELSE

Thats what I mean, of course over time, but this even is seriously in question, first there is no proof that species slowly change over time, there is no proof that the DNA would allow significant changes over time. Where is the proof?

reply to post by MrXYZ

I didn't side step the answer!!! Just a few posts ago I posted the definition of evolution, showing that it's a CHANGE IN ALLELE FREQUENCY IN GENES. I then posted a link that shows adaption leads to a change in allele frequency. It's the official definition tooth, just because you don't like it because your clown religion doesn't agree doesn't mean it's not proven

Well the definition is flawed, as its never been proven or witnessed. There is no proof that large changes could be added up over time, for all we know its only specific changes allowed, there is no proof, its pure fantasy.

Even after all those pages I'm still surprised at your display of ignorance. You are like the anti-ATS mascot

Oh, and btw, we HAVE proven that you're a liar. It's just that every time we post links to scientific articles proving you wrong, you simply go "where's the proof" just a few posts later...completely ignoring the proof that had been posted. It's really clownish behavior, and I pity you for not being able to cope with reality

That would be because the links you send me to all indicate that they are a hypothesis, and unproven. You really need to learn how to read. But I guess when you want something to fit your crazy bat religion, you can do anything.

reply to post by EnochWasRight
It strikes me that no religions I am aware of says when you are dead, thats it

I watched a vid on a gorilla that was taught sign language and the was told 'everything dies even you'. It was the cruellest thing I have ever seen.

We know as a species and individual that we will die and we all have to come to terms with that in our own way and that is the part religion plays. Not to teach morals, we know that instinctively. It is to help those that cannot face a certain end believe there is more and the more that believe it the safer the member of the cult feels. All those people cant be wrong ......... Yeah right

Evolution does not tell you what came before or what started life it describes how it evolved and nothing more but for evolution to be true it rattles the beliefs of many religions. Hence the stupid made up fantasy and denial.

You claim a conflict that is of the making of those that cling to belief. Just like the term atheist, evolutionist is just a label given by those with faith that want to exclude and marginalise others that don’t agree with what I see as fantasy.

Who am I to tell others what to believe. What I wont do is sit back and listen to someone deny what can be seen, touched and mirrored throughout life while that someone denies it all to justify a fantasy and pass it off as truth.

If you think a made up term like 'target food ' disproves evolution and by default proves the existence of a god in the face of even basic observation don’t expect to go unchallenged.

I understand that is not your standpoint but that is the level of this thread I am afraid, dragged down to this pathetic level that does not allow a real debate because a fool cannot get past what he had for dinner.

reply to post by itsthetooth
If it is brown, flush it down.

Flushed

reply to post by itsthetooth
I think you must be a floater as no matter how many times I pull the chain the same turd returns.

Flushed

reply to post by itsthetooth

The bible for one, the summerian tablets and other variations of religion all suggest we were placed here.

So does Pye, sitchen, Von Daniken.
So tell me, can so many people be wrong and you be correct?

Yes tooth, a thousand times YES!!!

Why?

Because:

1) the bible isn't proof of what happened, it's proof of what people back then believed to have happened (or whatever the authors wanted the masses to believe).

2) Pye, Stichen, Von Daniken...ALL CLOWNS!! They never present any objective evidence, and even worse, the evidence they present is ridiculously easy to debunk.

The video below goes over all their claims and debunks them...but of course you will simply ignore it like everything else you ignore if it doesn't fit your clownish religion



Your entire attitude to reality can be summed up in a single picture:

reply to post by colin42

If it is brown, flush it down.
Flushed

You really should seek help, because of your last few posts, its apparen't that your a fecalpheliac. I would get that checked out soon.

reply to post by colin42

I think you must be a floater as no matter how many times I pull the chain the same turd returns.
Flushed


fecalpheliac!

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

Science fills those gaps by analysing facts and objective evidence...correct.

The second part of your statement is once again your "belief", you haven't presented any facts or objective evidence to back up that claim.

That's ok of course...as long as you don't start claiming that belief is somehow a proven truth

No axiom lacks a higher unifying truth. Faith is the evidence of what is presented in the Bible as the evidence within science confirms. As you say, Science fills the gaps and shows what the Bible has already said.

Hebrews 11

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

There are several items of faith that need no further evidence. Consciousness thinks and moves, yet does nothing else to produce the mechanism of life. Consciousness is immersed into two aspects of light (Particle and Wave). Energy is information. Word is stated in John 1 as the primary thing producing our reality from light.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

Science is closing in on an understanding of what Spirit is. No need to say otherwise. The Bible said it all along. We are immersed into the water to experience the law first hand. Is an acorn the enfolded oak tree or the oak tree the information enfolded into the acorn? YES!! Look in any corner of reality that you wish and God is standing there waving back (LITERALLY A WAVE!)

You suggest I have not provided evidence. On the contrary, I have provided, and continue to provide, all the evidence you need to show the evident nature of reality as parallel to what is presented by the Bible. Ignore(ance) is refusal to listen to the truth. As you say, it's faith and cannot extend beyond until God reveals Himself to us. We have ample evidence that we can hear and see this wave of creation. It's all around you.

1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
3 They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
4 Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.
In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.
5 It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
like a champion rejoicing to run his course.
6 It rises at one end of the heavens
and makes its circuit to the other;
nothing is deprived of its warmth.
7 The law of the Lord is perfect,
refreshing the soul.
The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy,
making wise the simple.
8 The precepts of the Lord are right,
giving joy to the heart.
The commands of the Lord are radiant,
giving light to the eyes.
9 The fear of the Lord is pure,
enduring forever.
The decrees of the Lord are firm,
and all of them are righteous.
10 They are more precious than gold,
than much pure gold;
they are sweeter than honey,
than honey from the honeycomb.
11 By them your servant is warned;
in keeping them there is great reward.
12 But who can discern their own errors?
Forgive my hidden faults.
13 Keep your servant also from willful sins;
may they not rule over me.
Then I will be blameless,
innocent of great transgression.
14 May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart
be pleasing in your sight,
Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer.

Originally posted by flyingfish
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

In science, you don't have to accept anything on faith - there is no "science of the gaps".
The rational mind is willing to accept new information and adjust it's understanding accordingly. In-fact if new research reveals evidence that shows their initial ideas are wrong, they will change their ideas to conform with the evidence.
The faith based mind seeks to interpret new information in such a way that it does not conflict with previously held beliefs.
It is the creationist that preach that God and evolution are mutually exclusive, whereas in reality the two are not at all incompatible.

there were many paradoxes from the Bible until we understood what it was actually saying. A good example of this is the fact that the earth does not revolve around the sun.

LINK

When the Bible said this, they scoffed:


Isaiah 40:22
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

Proverbs 8:27-29
When he established the heavens, I was there, when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, when he made firm the skies above, when he established the fountains of the deep, when he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth,

Job 26:10
He has described a circle upon the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness.

1 Samuel 2:8
He raises up the poor from the dust; he lifts the needy from the ash heap, to make them sit with princes and inherit a seat of honor. For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and on them he has set the world.

Job 9:6
who shakes the earth from its place, and its pillars tremble.

Job 38:4-6
Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements -- surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone?

Job 26: 7
He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon nothing.

Now we know just how true these verses were. The earth twists in a vortex with the Sun casting a tent around the entire path. Watch the video:

reply to post by EnochWasRight


What I see is that everyone has a different interpretation, including among believers, so I don't find it a credible evidence for a specific belief.

How many different sects and cults are built around the bible? Which one is correct or are they all correct, having used the same evidence? Do not all these people have faith?

reply to post by EnochWasRight


But there's HUNDREDS of cases where the bible is demonstrably wrong...and the cases you list in support are completely subjective and open to interpretation

That's exactly the point, there is no objective evidence behind any of your claims, you are merely making the claim based on subjective information

Oh, and just fyi, people knew about the earth being a circle long before the bible was written...so it really wasn't a revelation. Even worse, the claim that the sky is somehow like the geometrical shape of a "tent" is obviously incorrect too...

reply to post by colin42

I understand that is not your standpoint but that is the level of this thread I am afraid, dragged down to this pathetic level that does not allow a real debate because a fool cannot get past what he had for dinner.

And yet, there is no free lunch. Someone had to pay. I am simply showing the consistency of the Bible in revealing who paid the bill for us. Look up what it means that there is no free lunch. Look up what bread of shame means.

reply to post by itsthetooth

What is contained within the Human Genome is driven by Evolution. Split Infinity

Originally posted by flyingfish
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

What I see is that everyone has a different interpretation, including among believers, so I don't find it a credible evidence for a specific belief.

How many different sects and cults are built around the bible? Which one is correct or are they all correct, having used the same evidence? Do not all these people have faith?

They are all incorrect. This is why we find a central source that claims to be correct. All things flow from a source, but information entropy affects us all. The law of inverse squares demonstrates that we can see the source based on awareness (Size of the screen) and distance from the source. The trick is to expand awareness and seek a close relationship to the one casting the light. It's really not a mystery. Anyone who refuses to believe simply keeps awareness close to self (Like a baby near the breast) and distances themselves from the source. A believer and seeker of truth expands awareness through study and prayer and seeks to be close to the source by bearing fruit that reflects giving and receiving. Love allows the astigmatism over the mind to be corrected like a lens being focused on a projector.

You can't see if you don't follow this path. That's your decision I suppose, but don't claim that it's not possible when billions experience the truth each day. If it were false, no evidence would exist. As it stands, evidence is found everywhere you look. You don't need a church or dogma to see it. You simply need to seek, knock and live a life worthy of the reflection you are seeking. From there, the image becomes crystal clear.

1 Corinthians 13

11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

You are being raised as a child. It is obvious that being childish is part of the process. Eventually, we all grow up and see the truth. The first are last and the last are first. Put yourself first by pride and you will be last to see. Put yourself last by humility and all becomes clear. You are first to enter in. There are those who are keeping you from it and ignoring truth only delays the process.

Luke 11:52

"Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering."

God calls the builders as well. Builders are those who use the mind to build. Experts in the law try to manipulate law for the same purpose. In our attempt to be like God, we see our own failure clearly in this day and age. Entering in is the return of the prodigal son.

Gospel of Philip

When the pearl is cast down into the mud, it becomes greatly despised, nor if it is anointed with balsam oil will it become more precious. But it always has value in the eyes of its owner. Compare the Sons of God: wherever they may be, they still have value in the eyes of their Father.

You are the pearl in the mud. The fallen were cast into the mud. You really should read the parable of the prodigal son.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


Nice preaching

But again, where's the evidence??? You simply claiming "it's evident that..." ISN'T EVIDENCE!! It's your personal SUBJECTIVE opinion

And it's based on a book that's demonstrably wrong in hundreds of cases...

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by itsthetooth

 

What is contained within the Human Genome is driven by Evolution. Split Infinity

It is driven by involution and evolution. The Ancient of Days is the same God that created by Word and Light in a process called Hydrogenesis. Hydrogen starts as one electron and one proton in a balanced state of positive and negative. All that follows from these hydrogen bonds contain a neutral with the proton. Father and Son. The Spirit is the electron descending by involution so that it can evolve. DNA is WORD enfolded into the process. Is an acorn the enfolded oak tree or is the oak tree the enfolded information into the acorn? YES!

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

Gospel of the Nazarenes (Lection 88)

12. For by involution and evolution shall the salvation of all the world be accomplished: by the Descent of Spirit into matter, and the Ascent of matter into Spirit through the ages.

Involution is turning in on one's self (within). Compare this to Luke 17:

20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Involution and Evolution

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

But there's HUNDREDS of cases where the bible is demonstrably wrong...and the cases you list in support are completely subjective and open to interpretation

That's exactly the point, there is no objective evidence behind any of your claims, you are merely making the claim based on subjective information

Oh, and just fyi, people knew about the earth being a circle long before the bible was written...so it really wasn't a revelation. Even worse, the claim that the sky is somehow like the geometrical shape of a "tent" is obviously incorrect too...

edit on 18-11-2012 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)

You must define cloud by the biblical meaning to know why this is so. As well, you are stating that God doesn't make it easy. This is precisely what he said would be our lot in life. TOIL (Genesis 3). You must dig for the truth and plant seeds and see them grow. Truth is in symbol and the symbols are the seeds. It's gardening in the garden. Check my signature.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


Enoch, you are trying to sell your SUBJECTIVE BELIEF as truth to people, and that's wrong unless you can have objective evidence as back up. Just because YOU believe something to be true doesn't mean it really is, especially if the very basis of your belief is a book that has so many demonstrable flaws