Is It Wrong To Be Excited/Anxious About Dec. 21?

So, what about the other Mayan calendar found in Guatemala that has representation of time well past 2012? If you believe thousands of year old stone tablets map all of mankind's doom, then why not believe in these also? They show a very large contradiction in the 2012 Doomsday date.

Or maybe the Mayans were making calendars for times after we're well good and gone...

Anyway, I'm not poking fun, so no disrespect. I see these things for what I believe is all they are - calendars. Templates of measure for people that had nothing better to do but look at the sky and try to make sense of it.

I have been down this road before. A little over 20 years ago, the alarm for the nuclear plant went off. Of course, it was not something new. They did a test every once in a while. This time though the siren did not stop. After about 15 minutes or so, everyone on the block was standing in a huddle in the middle of the street. I remember asking why were we just standing there? Shouldn't we be preparing to leave or at least trying to protect ourselves for what seemed the inevitable? I remember my next door neighbor saying we stood a better chance if we worked together. People started asking if we should pack to evacuate, should we try to gather supplies and shelter in one house.

I suddenly had a moment of clarity. I said we would never get out the area in time. I told them we would die in our cars in the gridlock that was bound to occur. I remember a sudden sense of calm overtake me. My neighbors said I was right, it was too late for us to try to leave and we were way too close to the plant to survive if the plant went, no matter how much we prepared. So we decided we would just gather together in one place and provide for each other the best we could.

People went to their homes and brought over items for comfort and fun. We sat at my neighbors house, we ate and drank and stayed glued to the TV. Finally after over an hour, they finally had a local interest peice, telling of the mistake at the local plant, causing the alarm to malfunction. They said it was not an intentional test but it help point out the flaws in our evacuation plans.

As I had expected, they spoke with irate people stuck in their cars. The grid lock was so bad that some people people did not get more than walking distance from their homes. We sat there the rest of the day just
enjoying each others company and the great feeling of giddy relief knowing we had dodged a possible bullet. The nice thing that came out of it was, we got to know our neighbors. I had lived in the neighborhood for almost a year and I did not know the names of over half of my neighbors.

We were small enough that that brief time was enough for us to bond as real neighbors. We became friends and shared many good times together after the event. The moral to the story? I guess there were many. The one thing that I learned though, is it is a waste of precious time to sit and worry over things that are out of our control. Enjoy every second you are blessed to receive. Spend every second enjoying those you love and surround yourself with love and harmony. We are all going to die one day. Some sooner than others. Make the time you have legendary, not the single event.

reply to post by revmoofoo

BOY! Did you get me wrong! I am shipping out Tonight to some GOD FORSAKEN HELL HOLE! I am doing a job and I am the Team Leader. I am "CIVILIAN" but work with the Military. I am actually right now still awake because I can never sleep before a JOB!

As far as DEATH...I am not afraid of Death. I have been shot in the chest multiple times at close range! I lived because of a very thin Highly Advanced Light Weight Special Weave that allowed some penetration because of how close the guy was to me and I fell on my right side. I was running on adrenaline...asked one of my Team Members to give me my Rifle...I balanced it on part of his body and ended the Guy at about 60 yards out. I have no regrets.

I will be leaving later this evening and hopefully this second to my final job as I am Retiring will not be my last.
You REALLY PICKED THE WRONG DIRECTION AS IT HAS TO DO WITH ME! Split Infinity

Considering its the 21st in Australia 11 hours before it is say in the UK in December,
when do we get excited or anxious here.

reply to post by samstone11


IMO, the Y2K had more credibility than this "Mayans who can't count leap year" crap. Y2k made more sense because we were really depending on the computers automated systems, for almost everything, even controlling airplanes etc.

This doomsday crap is stupid because of these things...

Mayan Calender is not older..or is the civilization... there is Chinese calender, Indian Calenders

Other civilizations were far advanced in astronomy.

Mayans didn't know about leap year.

I know for a fact that my Chinese friends and Indian friend have their own calenders at home that they follow for their cultural/religious ceremony but live according to our current calenders due to society.

I do not believe in this doomsday only for the purpose there is no reason to, it is just another that, which is abused to exploit people and make massive amount of money.

I;m actually shocked by the stupidity of people who believe in this doomsday, like their are expecting their miserable lives to be over... or something amazing would happen, which would magically reset their debts and tuition fees and banks would forget about their mortgage...

I would like to not work 9-5 every day for rest of my life either.

reply to post by woogleuk

Wish I could have thought of your direct to the point verbiage. "What if" is truly what its all about, isn't it? Wouldn't it be fair to say that virtually no one is fully immune to the thought, regardless of their expectations?

reply to post by SplitInfinity

After more than a little thought, it sounds like I should take a moment to thank you for whatever service it is that you provide. Apparently it is in a manner that offers some sort of security for my family and/or this country, and I wish you the best.

However, I am not certain that some similar sentiment might also be in order for Rev. Definitely it would be easier to determine if he was or is willing to provide some more detail about the misery he has endured.

Having fought many, many battles with the US government and the resulting deep, overwhelming depression I may be qualified to empathize with him even though I may not agree with him. In my instance, I differ in that I would want my family to survive should anything manageable occur, but perhaps not if the world winds up in even worse shape than today. I hated when my daughter left us here in Texas to work in D.C., but one good thing about we nervously agree about is if there were to be a nuclear strike on US soil, at least she has much less chance of suffering. Fort Worth, Texas is not anywhere near the priority target as where she lives now.

Anyway, I suggest both you and the Rev have admirable qualities in what seems to be sincere compassion and desire for other people's best interest. Hope I’m right.

reply to post by samstone11

I am a forgiving type and bear him no ill will...I am leaving in about 6 Hours as I live not to far from the base. This will be my second to the last JOB and then one more and I retire. I am in Top Physical Condition but age is a BITCH! LOL! I cannot bounce back from being in the field for 10 days to 2 weeks anymore so easy. I am very good at what I do and am probably the BEST THERE IS...but time catches up to everyone.

If I am sent in it means that all other methods have failed so I am sent with my Team to solve the problem one way or another. A GOOD JOB is one where a deal is made and no shooting occurs and everyone goes home alive. A BAD JOB is when we have to KILL EVERYONE. We are the BEST THERE IS AT WHAT WE DO....the mentality it takes to do the job is to be able to have EXTREME PATIENCE AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO WAIT WHILE THE OTHER SIDE CHEST THUMPS AND VERBALLY THREATENS AND MOVES IN A MANNER THAT A FRIGHTENED KID WOULD BECOME SCARED AND START SHOOTING. We also do not need HOT HEADS who need to prove themselves and are looking for a fight. My JOB IS NOT TO FIGHT! MY JOB IS TO MAKE A DEAL!

We are all Pro's and I am the "CIVILIAN" Team Leader...the rest of the Guy's are Military. We have a Rep. and we always honor a deal. If we pay Cash and someone tries to skip out...we will go back and FIND THEM! It is my job to convince these people that even though they know the land...even though it is their backyard...WE ARE OFFERING YOU A CHOICE! Take the money...do what we ask and LIVE! Or take the Money...lie to us and we will find you and you will die. I look people in the eye that I know want to Kill Me...but they KNOW we are better than they are at this game. A Good day is when we Helped a whole Village or Territory because they accepted a DEAL...granted with a GUN to their Head but that is the way things get done in some parts of the world...you either belong to a Tribal Warlord or You are a SLAVE and your body and Children and family are just Play things for TARGET PRACTICE. As I have said...I have NO REGRETS IN THE THINGS I HAVE DONE.

Split Infinity

reply to post by samstone11

It makes no sense to put too much into anticipating something that you have no idea what it will be. I believe we are moving into the Golden Age and that it starts Dec. 21, 2012 but so what, it will take a long time before much of anything happens. I'm 61 and I am enjoying life and investigating, as I am able. If I'm allowed to come back, I probably will and that should be very different, here on Earth. The problem with living for a future event, tends to make you miss the here and now.

reply to post by samstone11


The idea of a world changing catastrophe or just a world changing event exites me greatly!

We as a race need a harsh lesson in humility. Punished for our arrogance in thinking we could protect ourselves from and even harness nature.

reply to post by samstone11


Q: "Is It Wrong To Be Excited/Anxious About Dec. 21?"
A: Wrong to be excited? Not really. Wrong to be anxious/obsessed? Probably yes.

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

Originally posted by Insomniac

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by samstone11

 

Is It Wrong To Be Excited/Anxious About Dec. 21?

not really.

unless you're of the "nothing is going to happen! it's going to be an ordinary day like any other!" crowd naysayer.

then you're just pathetic.

why? because you're making a prophecy/prediction of your own with nothing to back it up except your own pusillanimousness,

making you you look very stupid.

and pathetic.

What an insulting pathetic post. So people who don't agree with your groundless alarmism are pathetic and stupid? Grow up or get some evidence for your fantastical premise,

lol
what premise would that be?

i challenge you to post any quotes of mine where i seriously make any predictions/prophecies [not idle speculations].

ASSumptions ASSumptions, tsk, tsk.:shk:

What an insulting pathetic post. So people who don't agree with your groundless alarmism are pathetic and stupid? Grow up or get some evidence for your fantastical premise,

right back at ya!

thank you for proving my point regarding pusillanimousness

as for alarmism it's the nay-sayers predicting mass suicides not i

lol you've been hoisted by your own petard post
thank you for playing

edit on 1-10-2012 by DerepentLEstranger because: added edit and comment

So are you not advocating some some major event on Dec 21st? Your post certainly gives that impression. If you are then that is certainly a prediction.

Apart from anything else your tone is rude, insulting and immature. You are certainly being deliberately provocative and there's a word for that which I'm not allowed to call you on ATS so I won't. Needless to say that I fell into your trap and will indulge you no longer.

Originally posted by Insomniac

So are you not advocating some some major event on Dec 21st? Your post certainly gives that impression. If you are then that is certainly a prediction.

edit on 1/10/12 by Insomniac because: (derp! he hit enter too early!

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my point is that neither you, the nay-sayers, i, or others has any way of knowing, and it is irrational and foolish to arrogantly state: Nothing is going to happen.

In political theory and theology, to immanentize the eschaton means trying to bring about the eschaton (the final, heaven-like stage of history) in the immanent world. It has been used by conservative critics as a pejorative reference to certain utopian projects, such as socialism, communism, and transhumanism.[1] In all these contexts it means "trying to make that which belongs to the afterlife happen here and now (on Earth)" or "trying to create heaven here on Earth."

en.wikipedia.org...

in the context used by occultists and myself, this is simply a personal magical ritual of my own devising, i have no interest in living in other folks idea of a perfect world or imposing my own on others.

so unless my making plans for how i'm going to spend that day [barring accident or violence] is predicting or prophesying...

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

my point is that neither you, the nay-sayers, i, or others has any way of knowing, and it is irrational and foolish to arrogantly state: Nothing is going to happen.

Then why didn't you just say that initially instead of taking the p*ss out of people?

As it happens I actually agree with your above statement. It's arrogant either way to make a prediction without evidence. My personal belief (in the absence of any evidence) is that an event on the 21st Dec is no more or less likely than on any other day.

Come on folks. Lets keep the discussion on the topic and knock off the bickering.

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reply to post by samstone11


There is absolutely nothing wrong with being excited as Dec. 21st 2012 approaches, with exception. If you are hoping to see total devastation and carnage, billions dead, the end of life on Earth as we know it, then maybe your excitement is misplaced.... I see excitement as a happy emotion and being happy for destruction is not good in my opinion anyway.

The thoughts of an impending apocalypse may be confusing and could lead you to feel on edge, stressed, and worried - this could be confusing and mistaken as excitement.

I know I have been excited for the Dec. 21st, 2012 date for several years now. It's not because I believe anything will or will not happen like many expect, though I am more than a little curious about the outcome. I don't have a vested interest in seeing anything happen, one way or the other - no bets or beliefs

I am increasingly excited by the fact of this date coming to pass in my lifetime. Really, how many times does an ancient calender's end-time date take place in a person's lifetime? In a century? In a Millenium? In 10,000 years? etc...

We are truly blessed with the opportunity to experience such a historic event from our ancient past.

Regardless of what does or doesn't take place, I will be having a good time for the week leading up to the date and hopefully a week or more after!

I hope everyone realizes just how rare this experience is and joins me in a celebration of the calendar's end date. I will also be documenting the days before, during, and (hopefully) after, so I can show the kids who are too young to understand it or were not even born before the date. I might even discover something about the event I had not realized while it was happening.

reply to post by Insomniac

Yours and Estranger's debate are quite thought provoking. Based on your comments, and as an extention of the original qustion about becomming excited over Dec. 2012, I would like to ask both of you, as well as anyone else who would like to chime in: should we truly expect a great upswing in suicides? Homicides? Vandalism? Other bad or even good things as people begin to lose their ability to control their anxiety, fears, and/or excitement? Should rational people make plans to spend the day and perhaps a few days enveloping it trying to stay away from the major populace as a sensible precaution to protect themselves from others who may go overboard?