Crete UFO Image Captured - What Is It?

Originally posted by Springer
Jeff Ritzmann's Report pg.1:



See fig. EXIF_UO.jpg



(fig. LAB_arc.jpg)





Fig UO1.jpg


Shows the common symmetry of the UO itself. Each outer edge shows a flat area, angled on each side. Each side's angle holds symmetry with it's opposite edge.
The angle of reflection and highlight on the UO match sun location at the time of shooting. This is not only evidenced by the light and shadow of stationary objects, but in this case it's extremely helpful to have shadows cast by goats in the foreground. The object shows all the appropriate hallmarks of an object reflecting light off a domed surface in the correct places. It also exhibits the correct shadows and lowlight reflections for an object of high reflectivity.

here is where i have my point of contention


If the Object is directly ahead ...or 12 O'clock... look at the goat's shadows... it tells us the light source, the Sun was shining from the 3 O'clock position,,, YET in the final picture the reflecting object is showing the blob of light from the Sun in the incorrect position IF the light source was from 3 O'clock...

unless the object was some +50 miles(minimum) distant which would allow the light intensity to migrate towards the center of the dome, where is it very nearly at... in the close-up picture.

in my world the right side of the dome would be awash in the intense light reflectioin from the Sun, the light reflection focus point in the close up picture makes the Sun Position pretty close to behind my right shoulder at approximately 5 O'clock


that all makes me think hoax image, and engineered pic


those foggy mountains can't be more than 5-6 miles distant


i'm going to see a Crete Map and see if i can't find the data



www.sed.manchester.ac.uk...

there seems only one vantage point where this 30 minute route, Off Road wilderness place can be

the bottom of Crete on the horn of land looking WNW towards the mountanious area, with a bay of water that appears to be ~20miles... lets find out the remote location from the 'shooter'

My first impression was this was a water droplet.

Unfortunately there is literally millions of scenarios were an object enters the frame of the camera and with the right angle, reflection and environmental conditions make it look mysterious as well as unexplainable .

reply to post by Phage


Oh Phage, just because you are a debunker at heart, why don't you try and do that? Oh because top level professionals couldn't!!!

You can toss your "opinion" around all you want, but just because you think this is a "small" object close to the mirror, why not prove it??

Yeah it looks pretty small to me also......

Springer........Awesome job writing this up, awesome find, overall awesome job providing us with the first "real" UFO picture!! Not to mention it is in BROAD daylight instead of lights in the sky at night time!!

Star for every post you have in this thread and flag for the awesome find!! If I could give you 100 stars I would!!!

AMAZING

how come when I click on the image thumbnail I get a full sized broken image?

How do I see the image full size, can anyone assist?

reply to post by Phage

I believe Jeff Ritzmann was an ATS member around the time I joined the forum. He offered a long, elaborately worked-out and very professionally-written narrative about how he'd been bedevilled by 'missing time' and other typical UFO-culture funny business most of his life, and was now being actively harrassed, IIRC, by various bright lights and other UFO-type thingies. In that thread, too, he created a drift away from aliens to the paranormal as his narrative drew on.

Being a writer myself, I found it easy to spot the professionalism in his writing. The plotting, especially, was far too good; the UFO/paranormal activity was beautifully paced, just as it would be in an honest work of fiction. I called him on it, he wriggled, revealed himself even more in the wriggling, attracted a few more sceptics, and finally wriggled back to the obscurity whence he came.

Back now, is he? I'm surprised Springer doesn't remember him. Unless I've got the name wrong... which I doubt. I even remember his avatar, beautifully detailed with two animated candle flames in it. Hard to forget.

I have absolutely no doubt that this picture is a hoax, and as for Mr. Ritzmann's testimony, I regard it as valueless except as an example of how to do this kind of thing properly, if you're planning to do it at all. Not that the photo itself is at all convincing...

reply to post by Springer


Normally I don't respond to these threads, but this one was on the front page.
I believe it to be some type of drone/blimp, they are developing new blimps/drones all the time.
New Blimps

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Im pretty sure its a power kite, someone below the cliff is kite surfing, which i have done myself on Crete at one time,oddly enough.Its very popular there.
Some times when they lose wind they collapse and fall and can make circular shapes like that and they come in all colours and sizes.Metallic ones with gold and silver are quite common.
But giveen its close proximity to the shore and the fact that it looks to be very good kite surfing weather from the photo, perfect actualy,I would say theres a pretty high likelyhood it is.

interesting photo.... i wouldnt be surprise if it was a hoax, hopefully we are getting closer to the truth

I've learned not to trust ATS threads where the general flavour of the reply is:

"It sort of reminds me of.."
"It kinda looks like..."
"It's possibly a..."
"I saw something a bit like..."

Gotta admit most fall into this category, but that's about the size of it here. And those poor goats. No doubt mind-wiped shortly thereafter by the P.T.B.

i've tended to give credence to more than a few outlier theories--especially on this site. way more outlier than this one. but this one seems too perfect.

the shot is perfect, the explanations are perfect and detailed, it's sent direct to ATS rather than posted. my radar went up throughout the entire piece--maybe because there are so many threads that read like this one.

i don't know springer. i don't know anything about how ats is run. i do know people accuse them of having hidden relationships or purposes. i don't know about that either. ats does seem to be big on adverts & search engine rankings.

again, not saying ats is up to shenanigans either wittingly or unwittingly. but there are reams of pages arguing billy meier.

the photo is fascinating for sure. pretty fookin good kodak moment imo. but i've been duped by photos and the populace continues to be as well on a daily basis. from news to ufos to nasa...

ats staff has gotta be banging their heads in the catch-22 they are in. accusations of everything conspiracy, and when they do crack a good story, they can't win for losing.

picture perfect. a to z.

if the photo is metaphor, the ats readers are the goats looking at the ufo.

Originally posted by flexy123
For me, this is a very typical UFO "case" where the "evidence" itself is inconclusive and could literally be everything.

More interesting for me here is actually the psychology of people, the various attempts of explaining or "knowing" what it really is.

It is interesting to see people chiming in who state this is "undoubtedly the evidence" that we're visited by Aliens - but also interesting to see responses such as "Phage must be paid" (after him giving a pretty good, although skeptical response) - or the people who swear it's undoubtedly a shopping bag. Which I, by the way, cannot see even if i try hard.

Edit:

Thanks for providing that "shopping bag picture" again just above this reply...the shopping bag graphics/explanation seems as constructed and forced as the graphics in the OP where they claim it's a symmetrical object. I can't see neither.

edit on 1-10-2012 by flexy123 because: (no reason given)

The ambiguity of it all... If you are looking at the "psychology", this is a good one. the more ambiguous, the more we "color" in...on both sides. For me, this is clearly an ambiguous blob of a symmetrical or an asymmetrical bag - bug - bird - paranormal manisfestation of ambuguity that clearly has an alien inside flying this thing that is anywhere from 1 inch to a few meters.

Originally posted by auraelium
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

Im pretty sure its a power kite, someone below the cliff is kite surfing, which i have done myself on Crete at one time,oddly enough.Its very popular there.
Some times when they lose wind they collapse and fall and can make circular shapes like that and they come in all colours and sizes.Metallic ones with gold and silver are quite common.
But giveen its close proximity to the shore and the fact that it looks to be very good kite surfing weather from the photo, perfect actualy,I would say theres a pretty high likelyhood it is.

edit on 1-10-2012 by auraelium because: (no reason given)

Best explanation so far. At least it seems to fit all the facts...

www.kite-crete.com...

Crete seems to be a very popular spot for the sport with only a few minutes of research.

Very interesting pic and thread. I am leaning toward some kind of big balloon or kite or even drone. Really it could be anything, possibly some kind of experimental aircraft. My mind is open to all the possibilities even the possibility it isnt man made. I think it's inconsequential that the women didn't see the object as she was focusing on something else. I'm eager to see if this will be figured out.

reply to post by Springer


Its suspicious. if she didn't see the object, then what was she taking a picture of? i mean remove the ufo and the picture has no asthetic value. if it was meant to be picture of the goats then surely she would take a better picture than that

Originally posted by freelance_zenarchist

Originally posted by Phage
The "photographer did not see the object while taking the picture" always raises a flag for me.

I feel the same way, and I'm not sure if it's an object really in the air.
There's a ray of sunlight shining in the window that crosses over the ring on her finger. Is it possible the object is light reflecting off the ring and side view mirror?

I think this is an interesting observation and I am surprised no one else has really commented or noticed it. The shape and highlight area are definately in the same spots as that of the object in the picture.

Wow, the government disinformation agents are all over this article. I believe this photo to be genuine, that's all I know. It does remind me of a similar craft photographed by Adamski, december 13, 1952 (en.wikipedia.org...). Very interesting, no matter what the disinformation agents say.

This does appear to be an object of some sort.

If this object were close, as some were insinuating, where is its shadow?

Let's assume it was close enough and over the land, one would expect it to cast some sort of shadow on the land, as the goats do.

I don't see a shadow.

I can only assume it is over the water, where the shadow must be casting but we can't see it.

I don't claim to know how far away it appears to be but it would not necessarily be a small object. Rather, it appears some ways off over the water.

Had to check the whole of the thread, to make sure this wasn't posted, my eyes are bleeding now....


The thing that strikes me as odd, is the fact that neither the 'shooter' nor the driver saw this 'object' (yes this has been mentioned). This means, that either the object was there for a split second (maybe a second at most), or it simply wasn't there at all, and is an imaging artefact.


Now here is the bit I'd like to add on that nobody has mentioned yet:

Looking at the 'object', it is quite hard to discern the highlights and shadows, given it's colour and apparent reflective 'body'. However, there is a clear highlight/reflection on the top right. This highlight seems to be, pretty much, an intact circle, that I can only assume is the reflection of the sun. If you look at the rest of that part of the image, the reflection seems to be on part of the 'body', that appears to be itself circular or domed.

Ok, all good so far, and nothing out of the 'ordinary', until you look at the angle of sun, giving shadow to the goats. Is it just me, or does the circular reflection (assuming it is the Sun) on the 'object', appear to be off (if the object was actually there), compared to the angle of the sun, shown in the shadow of the goats? Shouldn't the reflection of the Sun on the object, be more semi circular, and the highlight/reflection encompassing the entirety of the right side of the object?

I don't know, something just isn't sitting right with me....

I'm having a bit of a hard time working out how a professional photographer managed to take such crappy pics by allowing the dashboard and inside of the door to be included.... You'd think she'd would want to get it right, even if they were just random holiday snaps... And as they were apparently driving so slowly along this bumpy road she would have had plenty of opportunity to line the shots up properly...

Springer, you stated in the OP that the lady has nothing to gain and everything to lose by presenting a UFO photo for public view...Has she elaborated on why she sent this pic to ATS? What does she hope to achieve? Would she wish to remain anonymous and not want to be credited for what could turn out to be one of the best UFO pics even taken?

Loving this thread