Real Physics!

Another member that I wont name inspired me to post this link. They mentioned something about "crazy greek letters" and I thought some of you would want to know what all those crazy variables mean. These guys do a great job of simplifying very complex concepts, if you can deal with the accents. rofl

www.sixtysymbols.com...

Some of the ones I watched personally and found well presented were...
Feynman Diagrams
Wave Function
Real Science of Extra Dimensions
Plank's Constant

Thank you sir.

That is a very useful website. I know what I'm going to be doing for a while.

I just looked through that thread you mentioned. Wow what a mess. :shk:

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I know of the thread you mentioned..Sometimes this place makes you want to bash yourself in the head with a mallet, repeatedly.. That is a great website..I've used it quite often..The question is, now will they?

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Awesome links thanks for this...I've been watching and learning non-stop since you linked them...so much appreciation for that. I wish I could sit down with any of these guys and just talk to them for a few hours and postulate and hypothesize and brain storm...sounds nerdy but I would have a freaking blast...

Having said that I was watching the wave function video and about died laughing at one of the comments...

I guess Erwin Schrodinger was fascinated by double slit experiments.

just thought I would post that here for those who would know why that is so funny!

Thx again SnF

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Ha. I sure hope so. It would help out the discussions here.
I come across conservative, but thats just in relation to most of you guys. I actually have pretty radical views on alot of subjects that we would probably share interest in, so Im personally invested in conspiracy nuts getting smarter. Too many morons makes the whole field look bad. No offense, and im not directing that at any one person, its a sad, but true fact.

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Well said. A little education on a certain subject can radically change a persons mind (for the better) sometimes. Your not lyin' about the dummies out there making a whole group look bad. Unfortunately, the dumb ones are also the most vocal ones it seems.. Keep on teachin' man

Your avatar cracks me up everytime I read it..It would make a kick ass t-shirt

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I didn't know the skull and crossbones was the symbol for the LHC doomsday scenario!

And I'm still not sure about that.

But it's an interesting site, thanks for the link.

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Haha.
Ya like Schrodinger's cat, is an actual cat.

been through already 5 vids...i might say Schrodinger's cat my fav so far...

10q so much for this site its awesome


also saturn's

well all of them

Originally posted by ubeenhad
Another member that I wont name inspired me to post this link. They mentioned something about "crazy greek letters" and I thought some of you would want to know what all those crazy variables mean. These guys do a great job of simplifying very complex concepts, if you can deal with the accents. rofl

www.sixtysymbols.com...

Some of the ones I watched personally and found well presented were...
Feynman Diagrams
Wave Function
Real Science of Extra Dimensions
Plank's Constant

Even though I'm at odds with a some theory in these videos, I do think they're worth watching. Decent synopsis of current theory with a lot of good insights.

Liking the look of their related project www.numberphile.com...

www.numberphile.com...

That's a very cool site.
If I'm not careful, I might even learn something from it.
Thanks!

Thats a great resource, thanks so many

Originally posted by yampa

Originally posted by ubeenhad
Another member that I wont name inspired me to post this link. They mentioned something about "crazy greek letters" and I thought some of you would want to know what all those crazy variables mean. These guys do a great job of simplifying very complex concepts, if you can deal with the accents. rofl

www.sixtysymbols.com...

Some of the ones I watched personally and found well presented were...
Feynman Diagrams
Wave Function
Real Science of Extra Dimensions
Plank's Constant

Even though I'm at odds with a some theory in these videos, I do think they're worth watching. Decent synopsis of current theory with a lot of good insights.

Liking the look of their related project www.numberphile.com...

www.numberphile.com...

haha. I figured most of you may not agree with some of the more "traditional" views.

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Something is amiss by going to atomic quantum theory wave functions that are
different in their solutions and meaning to normal life functions relying on light
and other electro magnet waves.

light wave function
one of the links:
Electromagnetic wave equation
But they do not solve the fancy equation.
light wave function solution sine cosine

See you have to put in the exact solution, or be in the know, to get results.

pdf document

At top of the list.

Then what meaning do they have and they left out z direction for sound waves
www.ndt-ed.org...

Are Electrical sound waves in the air or ether valid concepts.
Sound in metal travels by vibration different in a solid than in air a gaseous medium.

Electro Magnetic waves may also travel like sound in gas and likewise transverse in metal.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
reply to post by ubeenhad

 

Something is amiss by going to atomic quantum theory wave functions that are
different in their solutions and meaning to normal life functions relying on light
and other electro magnet waves.

light wave function
one of the links:
Electromagnetic wave equation
But they do not solve the fancy equation.
light wave function solution sine cosine

See you have to put in the exact solution, or be in the know, to get results.

pdf document

At top of the list.

Then what meaning do they have and they left out z direction for sound waves
www.ndt-ed.org...

Are Electrical sound waves in the air or ether valid concepts.
Sound in metal travels by vibration different in a solid than in air a gaseous medium.

Electro Magnetic waves may also travel like sound in gas and likewise transverse in metal.

Nothing you said made sense bro.

A "quantum" wave function vs. a what at? A wave function, is a wave function. There is no quantum wave function. It is just a probability amplitude to describe the quantum state of something like a particle. If you are getting confused with the schroidinger equation, thats where wave particle duality comes from, and combined are really wierd. But why would that keep you from learning about about other types of propagating waves like Electromagnetic waves? If you don't already know maxwells equations then you should start with that video, maybe you will be less confused lol.

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You do not know the quantum wave solution is any different from a gas or solid.
The solution is not a physical thing.
The quantum wave solution is a probability thing.
"Real Physics!" its not.
ED: you think the term function makes a difference
Ed; its most like an erroneous model just like Maxwell for solids and gases.
The wave function, and wave function, solves the wave equation.
The basic wave equation is being solved.
The restrictions on the wave make the solutions different.
I say there are other wave functions sine and cosine you forgot.

Ed: The symbol for Wave Function is for the probability use physics.
Real wave functions solve real wave equations for gas and solids.

So I guess the meaning of Real is the dispute.
So sorry.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
reply to post by ubeenhad

 

You do not know the quantum wave solution is any different from a gas or solid.
The solution is not a physical thing.
The quantum wave solution is a probability thing.
"Real Physics!" its not.
ED: you think the term function makes a difference
Ed; its most like an erroneous model just like Maxwell for solids and gases.
The wave function, and wave function, solves the wave equation.
The basic wave equation is being solved.
The restrictions on the wave make the solutions different.
I say there are other wave functions sine and cosine you forgot.

Ed: The symbol for Wave Function is for the probability use physics.
Real wave functions solve real wave equations for gas and solids.

So I guess the meaning of Real is the dispute.
So sorry.

edit on 9/30/2012 by TeslaandLyne because: (no reason given)

I think this man is right^. No need for a mathematical patch to particle motion theory using non-physical postulates if you can track it with standard rigid body kinematics. That is also part of my objection to the models in the videos seen here.

I watched some of these a while ago, there is an episode with a nice Geordie (north east england accent) scientist explaining energy levels shifts using a tennis ball. Completely absurd, because he's using a physical analogy to describe the equation, rather than using an equation to describe the real mechanics of the interaction.

Originally posted by yampa

I watched some of these a while ago, there is an episode with a nice Geordie (north east england accent) scientist explaining energy levels shifts using a tennis ball. Completely absurd, because he's using a physical analogy to describe the equation, rather than using an equation to describe the real mechanics of the interaction.

You can solve differential equations? You could solve the schrodinger wave equation and be able to explain what the oribitals for the given electron would be etc? No. So you cant use equations to explain energy levels.
You have to use as intuitive of a picture as you can, till you can start understanding abstract math.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
reply to post by ubeenhad

 

The quantum wave solution is a probability thing.
"Real Physics!" its not.
.

edit on 9/30/2012 by TeslaandLyne because: (no reason given)

Um the term "real" as in not imaginary, Not pseudoscience. One of the first things you gotta do if you wanna be successful in things like QM, is realize that tho they are wierd, and probablistic, they are just as "real" as newtonian mechanics. Thats part of "re-wiring" yourself to think like this.

The solution is not a physical thing.

What does that even mean? This is the science forum, if your going to debate try to use correct terminology.

The quantum wave solution is a probability thing.

Are you just repeating what I have already stated, but in 3rd grade format? The wave function and the different laws of QM like the S Wave Equation are all probabilistic.

The wave function, and wave function, solves the wave equation.

You have it backward. The wave function is the most complete view of a quantum system allowed. The S wave equation describes the wave function.

The restrictions on the wave make the solutions different.

Like uncertainty? Thats important, we cant just throw it out. the s wave equation is not the same as a regular wave equation. And if you look through all the links, you will find wave mechanics I believe. So what are you crying about?

not tryna be an ass, but your frustrating lol

Originally posted by ubeenhad
One of the first things you gotta do if you wanna be successful in things like QM, is realize that tho they are wierd, and probablistic, they are just as "real" as newtonian mechanics. Thats part of "re-wiring" yourself to think like this.

I realise that's how you have to re-wire yourself to fit into the 20th century mathematical physics club. What if we don't want to do that, and would like mechanical explanations for particle motion?