Believers in after life, do you really think reincarnation takes place, why or why not?

reply to post by chelle21689


Again, there is no soul, but what that enlightened being does is enter nirvanna. One thing I give credit to Buddha is he didn't bother trying to explain the unexplainable, basically when asked what Nirvana is he replied that it is beyond all explanation and boundries.

The problem I have with a "Soul" is this, What is it, What are you? Is the soul memories and experience? We know that head trauma can completely wipe out memory and change personality, if their is soul "driving" the body how can this happen. What is it made of? If it interacts with the brain/body aka matter it must do so in a way explainable by physics and therfore should be detectable.

I think the Buddhist perspective is more aggreable to science, not that it is science, but a lot of what he taught 2600 years ago concurs with modern theories on consciousness,ego,id, etc....

This video, if true (and I think it is...), leaves me with UNDENIABLE PROOF in the reality of reincarnation:




Mook

Just to be fair and show both sides of the argument, there is another more plausible explanation as to the stories of Indian children remembering their past lives. Typically these stories come from very poor families who are "low" in the caste system. But if you can get people to believe your son is the reincarnated soul of that famous actor, astronaught, etc.. well now you might just get to move up a few rungs on that caste ladder.

Originally posted by chelle21689
There's parts of reincarnation that makes sense and some that do not.

I can't help but think that people who say we reincarnate as "soul groups" is just wishful thinking. What makes you think we all reincarnate with the ones we love? I mean, it seems impossible because say my great great grandma is waiting for my great grandma, my great grandma is waiting for my grandma, and so on. Even when reincarnating at different times I just don't believe that could happen. If anything we all just reincarnate and not remember those we love and don't even have a relationship with them again. I mean it's possible but not likely in my opinion.

Could be wishful thinking... maybe even some logic and reasoning too. Its freely given, might as well use it.

All we have to go on is the human/spirit experience. They all tend to tell a similar story.

We are all family and all loved ones from all walks of life we have experienced.

They say back "home" thought pretty much manifests itself and the personality is the spirit. Colors are vibrant in detail and everything is alive and beautiful. Communication is without words.

Each realm is a place for like personalities. One can come in and out of certain realms and usually your group is said to interact with you all throughout the experience of each incarnation.

Its like we try and reach a point in spirit where we overcome the (perverted in one way or another) flesh desires and most importantly to be able to come here, then go back home and have helped your group and outsiders to a point of self sacrifice. Loving each living entity as yourself. When the spirit reaches this atonement with the flesh it is said that your eternal light is then able to overcome the negative/matter. We know that light can indeed overcome matter.

Maybe once we reach to that type of growth in spirit we can then travel to more planets. We have all of eternity, all possibilities of manifestation, a vast system of life and a vast system we cannot fathom as of yet.

Its like we are babies in a Multi-Verse System. Lots of intelligence and does seem to be governed.

We have a lot of work to do on Earth and maybe we can maintain our species. We just have to learn how to live together in PEACE.

Im ready to travel wide open and I would rather not have to come here if there are better places to go and experience. lol

Originally posted by kaiel
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The problem I have with a "Soul" is this, What is it, What are you? Is the soul memories and experience? We know that head trauma can completely wipe out memory and change personality, if their is soul "driving" the body how can this happen. What is it made of? If it interacts with the brain/body aka matter it must do so in a way explainable by physics and therfore should be detectable.

In my opinion and understanding...

The soul is another type of 'body' that we need to unite with in order to experience and enter a certain level of 'heaven' or 'world'. Just as we need the astral body to experience and enter the astral world.

To unite with this body we need to have reached a certain level of spiritual comprehension, this takes a lot of hard work.

I believe that the soul is made of matter but a far less dense matter than we are used to experiencing in this physical world.

So, I believe that we all have a soul, but we are not yet in posession of it and many of us have not interacted with or experienced it, well, not in a way that we can remember...

Gnobody

reply to post by mookie2112


Anyone with eyes to see, ears to hear, and a mind to comprehend, knows that reincarnation, or our understanding of it, is very real.

Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, our understanding is not complete. Maybe we're not ready for it. Maybe we're not looking in the right places for it. Maybe we don't WANT to know. But the day will come, I hope. Because I, for one, am not afraid of knowing. If I was afraid of knowing, there's no point to living in reality. I might as well create my own world in my head and live apart from all of society, become a god in my own head.

But that just isn't fulfilling for me, and that leaves only one choice: find the truth, or come as close as I can to a complete understanding of the theory of all. Apart, I only have one piece, or a handful of pieces. Hopefully, here, I can find a whole truckload of pieces that no one knows what to do with, or has people a little confused because they're missing what I have. And eventually, I can follow the crumb trail to the gingerbread house and confront whatever ultimate truth I find inside. But there can be no finish without a start. Maybe the start IS the finish, but I don't know that yet.

Hence, the reason I'm on ATS. And I'm thankful for it every day. You all provide a tiny piece of the puzzle. My dream is to die knowing if I helped the ultimate purpose, and whether or not there IS a purpose. Some say it doesn't matter; I say to them, "It matters to me. Even if I don't find what I'm looking for necessarily, I'll find something as a consolation prize. And I can die knowing my life was worth an answer." And here on ATS, there's scores of people saying the same thing.

Maybe that's what this thread means to me. Should I find an answer I really wanted in this life, I can take it with me to the next life so I find the next piece. Like a train. And when the train is finished, I'll ride it wherever it goes next. Is that the meaning of life?

Maybe. But that's what I'm here to find out.

reply to post by chelle21689


I know the spirit/soul can live outside of the body.

When I was in my late teens I had a motorcycle accident and found myself looking down upon my body laying in the dirt. I saw my friends run up to my body and one of them shook me and I felt myself joltingly return to my body. I opened my eyes and was looking up at one of my friends.

Additionally, many years later, my teenage daughter died in a car crash. For a few weeks after her death I was able to hear her at night in her bedroom talking. Then six years after her death, I had a strong dream that she was vacationing at a lake with her new family. When I awoke I knew which lake, her first name, and her parents names. In the dream, I also felt her parents were not her biological parents.

I looked up her parents names with Google and indeed found a family living in the area. At the time there was a local paper (not my local paper) with a story of two children being adopted by these people. There was a picture of two girls. The older girl who was 6 years old had a similar expression and posture of my daughter when she was that age. Oh, and she had the same blue eyes.

Very spooky, but the situation left me feeling better knowing she is having a chance to live a full life.

personally i believe we never die and that this physical biological space suit is just one of many to be experienced in the universe. we are light beings part of a bigger web of life that is the universe or just this one universe! i also believe we are on prison planet and that we were sent here for a reason! and indeed probably coming back here all the time since god knows when and for how much longer, thats why we have an affiliation and interest to eras/history?

i am constantly surmising ever learning, hopefully on the right track!

In "Poem of the Man-God" Jesus was asked about reincarnation and he stated that, We only come here once, when an animals life is over on earth it's finish.. Man is fortunate his move on to a spiritual life and the only ties we have with our Family and Friends who are left behind is, we spend goodly amount of time praying for their souls...
He was press many times by folks who just wasn't happy with that answer, and Our Lord responded by saying: "What do you think, God is running out of Souls?!"

reply to post by MCL1150


Maria Valtorta was born on my birthday, but in 1897. Maybe I was her.

Never know... but seriously... this work was written by her. Im talking about what Jesus said a long time ago from people who were in fact his soul and the Bible speaks of reincarnation many times over but people like to look at it, in a different light.

Whatever makes one feel better.... or feel right... or feel... whatever. lol

reply to post by MamaJ


Wait, there's people who can prove that they are Jesus reincarnated? Where?! What are your sources?!

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You're right... Maria Valtorta put it like this: The Gospel as it was told to me, told to her my Jesus himself!

reply to post by chelle21689


Yes the spirit never gets weary

Once again we begin a discussion about where we go (if anywhere) when we die.

How about a discussion that begins with where we originate? Not to take this thread off-topic, but
each of us are unique and separate, and of us each possesses a consciousness that seemingly arose
at an arbitrary time and place on this little blue planet.

To answer the question of where we go, begin the discussion with the question where did we
come from? Begin the discussion by pondering how enigmatic it is that you exist as a singular
self-aware entity at this 'particular' moment in time....in this 'particular' realm of space...sequestered
in your very own 'particular' human animal.

It's a little hard to wrap your mind around that notion, but out of all the places in all of the universe's
vast history and open spaces, you are only you, at this point in time and space.

Did you simply coalesce a self-awareness as a part of some random biological process,
and if you did, why here, why now, and why a human awareness?

Why not an extra-terrestrial awareness? Given the magnitude of the universe it seems nearly impossible
that no other life exists outside of this planet. And given that many of the animals that inhabit this
planet exhibit some form of self-awareness, why wouldn't it be likely that your singular point
of awareness simply "got lucky" to be housed in a "very" sentient human form.

I think/believe this is the probable scenario....

That life, like everything else that we witness in nature, evolves. That our science is lacking in perception
to the force that begets us. That our life force is an evolving entity like all matter we can see.
Even the stars coalesce, burn brightly and die. And then their matter is reclaimed, recycled
and a new star is born from the old material. I believe our life essence (call it what you will)
acts and reacts in much the same way. That the essence of every living thing evolves in some way
and when the death of the biological material that houses the life force is recycled, in the very
same way, the life force itself is recycled. Perhaps this energy is folded back into the mix
of all the existing life force and all consciousness and self-awareness is lost, perhaps not....

But I think/believe, that the life force is not wasted, it was not created upon birth but much earlier,
and that it, and everything we see around us evolves along the same natural path.

All the billions of individuals cells that comprise the living being that is you, the entire conglomeration,
as beautifully intricate as it is, is just a machine....

...your life force is the operator

The universe wastes nothing, why would we expect it to waste knowledge and experience?

That was my other question but this came to mind first. Something along the lines of "If energy is not created or destroyed then where did it come from?" For some reason I'm just more concerned if I'm going to be with people I love and if my husband WILL NOT BECOME my son LOL or whatever odd role.

reply to post by chelle21689


Poke around in the shadows for clues...that's what In do. When I was a child I read "Life After Death".
A book by a doctor who recounted tales from patients who had clinically died and then were brought
back to life, all with interestingly similar tales about what they experienced while they were dead. Since
then many books have been published on the subject.

But there is all sorts of meta-physical stuff out there to sift-thru. Past life regression, recalled past-lives,
childhood recollections of past lives-some with interesting evidence, some interesting research not
yet debunked or verified about wight loss at the moment of death, meditation....and of course my
favorite, hallucinogenics and '___'.

Who knows what's out there awaiting us if anything....I don't....but I sure do love the question

I know it takes place and that we have been attacked as a species on every front possible and hence why we are overwatched.

Many NDE are not the white light the loving family members many are distressing and have different enities other than family members. Check this site out it was on coast to coast am sunday night.

www.dancingpastthedark.com...

Faawwwwk, I need a counselor or some type! I know that it does nothing for me to hear all these opinions yet I continue to search what I truly believe and I still don't know. I still continue to wonder and it gives me terrible headaches and prevents me from focusing on what's HERE NOW. >_

Originally posted by Gnobody


After a certain level of 'enlightenment' has been reached, you are given the choice to remain in a certain level of 'heaven' or 'return' to help humanity. This return into a physical body can be dangerous for your spritual advancement as you will be surrounded by all the temptations and human pleasures you have worked so hard to deny in the first place. You could just as easily 'fall' in this new phyiscal life as you could 'ascend'.

it's a catch-22 exactly what do you do in heaven? How is being in heaven more worthy than being anywhere else? The wisdom that you gain from enlightenment carries you everywhere you go.

Nobody likes to suffer and in heaven you don't suffer, but that is precisely the big advantage of physical existence is the challenge of suffering itself. We do not learn and become stronger without appropriate challenges, in heaven you are stuck there hoping that you don't have go back down and suffer until you finally exhaust your 'good luck' and are forced to come back down anyway.