Stargates of Tibet

reply to post by Kantzveldt


S&F Very intriguing. I will need to delve into this more. Thank you!

I've been saying for years that the annexing of Tibet and ensuing cultural genocide has everything to do with ancient knowledge and nothing at all to do with Chinas "Land Claims".

This is the real reason why world leaders are prepared to stand by and watch the Chinese government massacre the Tibetan population and has nothing, ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with offending Chinese sensibilities.

An awesome post filled with bell ringing truths.

Thank you for getting this up before this knowledge is wiped out like the libraries and museums of Iraq and very soon Iran.

good stuff man , thanks

reply to post by Amanda5



Thanks, i'm glad they don't go un-noticed, the archeaology blogger i linked to in the OP is doing an amazing job in bringing to light remote and previously unknown aspects of pre-historic Tibet. I think a lot of the 'kudos' Tibet has in esoteric terms is that they transformed rapidly with the arrival of early Buddhist monks from a society at the pre-historic level to a literary and highly civilized one, whilst retaining and incorporating their former beliefs.

I've made the comparison that their pre-historic beliefs were similar to those of Iran or Sumeria around 5,000 years ago, but those slowly faded and were subsumed by other cultures.



reply to post by awake1234




Yes i did a thread regarding how aboriginal art was a good starting point for understanding the metaphors and symbolism of the measurement and laying out of the pathways of the Earth...as taught by the bees...who may equate with those little round 'mascoid' figures in the Tibetan rock art.


www.abovetopsecret.com...



reply to post by ancientthunder



Thanks, that documentary seems worth looking out for, i'll keep those towers in mind, see if i come across anything from the early period that might explain their development.



reply to post by Drala



Much appreciated, and things certainly aren't hopeless, as long as there are still flowers the bees will still source the pathways...



reply to post by pacifier2012




As has been pointed out to you, you're putting the chicken before the egg as it were...science fiction is always playing catch up reconciling mysteries of the past with our latest understandings.

It's not a case of seeing what one wants to see, it's about learning to read what was placed there to be seen, forming a basis for understanding from the bottom upward...look more carefully.







Thanks to everyone for the replies and kind comments, much appreciated.

It's good to consider the Tibetan tradition of 'uncovering little gems'...or Terma

Tradition holds that terma may be a physical object such as a text or ritual implement that is buried in the ground (or earth), hidden in a rock or crystal, secreted in a herb, or a tree, hidden in a lake (or water), or hidden in the sky (space). Though a literal understanding of terma is "hidden treasure", and sometimes objects are hidden away, the teachings associated should be understood as being 'concealed within the mind of the guru', that is, the true place of concealment is in the terton's mindstream. If the concealed or encoded teaching or object is a text, it is often written in dakini script: a non-human type of code or writing.


...termas are not always made public right away. The conditions may not be right; people may not yet be ready for them; and further instructions may need to be revealed to clarify their meaning. Often, the tertön himself has to practice them for many years

en.wikipedia.org...(religion)

From the perspective of Dzogchen, the ultimate nature of all sentient beings is said to be pure, all-encompassing, primordial awareness or naturally occurring timeless awareness. This intrinsic awareness has no form of its own and yet is capable of perceiving, experiencing, reflecting, or expressing all form. It does so without being affected by those forms in any ultimate, permanent way. The analogy given by Dzogchen masters is that one's nature is like a mirror which reflects with complete openness but is not affected by the reflections, or like a crystal ball that takes on the colour of the material on which it is placed without itself being changed. The knowledge that ensues from recognizing this mirror-like clarity (which cannot be found by searching nor identified is what Dzogchenpas refer to as rigpa. One knows that there is a primordial freedom from grasping his or her mind

en.wikipedia.org...








These auspicious symbols were painted on the exterior wall of a Bon Dzokchen hermitage, Ngari province. This retreat center was in active use prior to 1300 and the eviction/conversion of the Bonpo. Painted in red ochre and a white pigment, the symbols include the letter A, two counterclockwise swastikas, an ‘endless knot’ (pata), and a conch (dungkar).



The Chakana like grid pattern seen above that represents the Earth itself i would consider one such little treasure.

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Very interesting thread my friend. I love ancient stuff like this, it always amazes me about our past. It's just crazy how advanced we were without the tech today.

I wish I could just travel back in time and go back to the ancient times and find out a lot of stuff that we're ignorant about now a days. Their is so much to be learned from our past. It would be nice if we could focus more about learning about our past, than focusing on war and wasting money on it.

I love to learn more about our ancient ancestries. Heck, I'd love to be a archeologist! ah, that would be such a ground breaking job!! Finding new stuff about our past everyday, uncovering lost clues.. Lost civilizations and lost cities underground! Ah, would be an amazing dream!

reply to post by live2beknown


Here you go

Info on archaeology as a career

It helps, if you are going to be a field archaelogists, to like living and working outside but only a certain percentage of your time will be at excavations, unless you are working for the state/gov if not you'll have a lot of paperwork and teaching to do too.

reply to post by Kantzveldt


there is absolutely NO agreement on the origin of the swastika...

reply to post by longlostbrother



There is no absolute agreement about a lot of things, but in the case of the swastika there actually should be as it is the easiest of motifs to identify, it's contextual usage in many cultures is indicative that it represents through Ursa Major the Celestial rotation of the Heavens, ie the principle that translates stars across the horizon East to West, that it represents the four quarters of Heaven, marks the solar solstices and equinoxes...is thus associated with translation through space and time and fortune/progression.


Have a read of this;



www.gutenberg.org...





reply to post by live2beknown



Thanks, as Hanslune points out becoming an archaeologist is entirely achievable...

Originally posted by Kantzveldt
reply to post by longlostbrother

 

There is no absolute agreement about a lot of things, but in the case of the swastika there actually should be as it is the easiest of motifs to identify, it's contextual usage in many cultures is indicative that it represents through Ursa Major the Celestial rotation of the Heavens, ie the principle that translates stars across the horizon East to West, that it represents the four quarters of Heaven, marks the solar solstices and equinoxes...is thus associated with translation through space and time and fortune/progression.


Have a read of this;



www.gutenberg.org...

You misunderstand; I didn't mean you and other don't believe that to be a reasonable theory, but instead that it's incorrect to say it's THE truth; many people have different theories and likely no one will ever know the truth, or indeed if there is actually a single truth spanning the thousands of years and different cultures that have used it.

reply to post by longlostbrother



There aren't any other credible theories worthy of being called such, a most plausible scenario is based on all available evidence referenced within what is known specific cultural contexts, the conclusion of those who make such studies is that the Swastika was based upon Ursa Major and its cyclic progressions.

I'm always open to counter suggestions so if you'd like to make one go ahead...

Originally posted by Kantzveldt
reply to post by longlostbrother

 

There aren't any other credible theories worthy of being called such, a most plausible scenario is based on all available evidence referenced within what is known specific cultural contexts, the conclusion of those who make such studies is that the Swastika was based upon Ursa Major and its cyclic progressions.

I'm always open to counter suggestions so if you'd like to make one go ahead...

en.wikipedia.org...

Several in there.... it's only your opinion whether or not they're credible - they're certainly widely accepted.

Lot's more here:

www.worldglobetrotters.com...

reply to post by Kantzveldt


Fascinating post. Subjects like this one brought me to ats. I'm going to read up on this. There is so much we don't know.

Thanks

reply to post by longlostbrother

The genesis of the swastika symbol is often treated in conjunction with cross symbols in general, such as the sun cross of pagan Bronze Age religion. Beyond its certain presence in the "proto-writing" symbol systems emerging in the Neolithic,[8] nothing certain is known about the symbol's origin. There are nevertheless a number of speculative hypotheses. One hypothesis is that the cross symbols and the swastika share a common origin in simply symbolizing the sun. Another hypothesis is that the 4 arms of the cross represent 4 aspects of nature - the sun, wind, water, soil. Some have said the 4 arms of cross are four seasons, where the division for 90-degree sections correspond to the solstices and equinoxes

The problem is that the general blurb does not question why the generally noted associations have been derived, ie why and how can that symbol represent the sun, the four seasons, solstices equinox, four quarters of Heaven, the cosmos etc. It's not that they're wrong as such, just that they overlook the underlying premise.


There are of course many social and religious connotations for a symbol that has been around for over 7,000 years, generally based upon fortune, progression through time and space, ever open to fluctuation and individual interpretation.


To understand properly the origin of the symbol in the Indo-European context it will be necessary to study the symbolic language and concerns of Cucuteni and Trypillian cultures, i was thinking of doing a thread on this, they were very much concerned with the rotating of the Heavens around the Poles, and how this relates to the passage of Heavenly bodies across the horizons, and thus invented the swastika.

Originally posted by Kantzveldt
reply to post by longlostbrother

 

There aren't any other credible theories worthy of being called such, a most plausible scenario is based on all available evidence referenced within what is known specific cultural contexts, the conclusion of those who make such studies is that the Swastika was based upon Ursa Major and its cyclic progressions.

I'm always open to counter suggestions so if you'd like to make one go ahead...

Or it looks nice, instead of concentrating on 'deep ideas' think instead like an artist, last year my three year old niece drew a crude swastika amongst a large number of other scribbles; was she depicting Ursa Major? Probably not

reply to post by Hanslune



She'd probably been exposed to the Daily Mail or the History Channel...

reply to post by Kantzveldt


Nope her parents are non-TV folks and haven't let her near a computer yet. They are trying to live a 'simple' life.

reply to post by Hanslune


Oh, Bummer..I would love to do the field work, but only like that stuff as it only amazes me..But paper work blah, I do enough of that at work.. But it's an interesting trade if you get to do more field work and get with the right company so you're out side more than inside!!

reply to post by live2beknown


Do volunteer work at a local archaeological site, see the sticky thread above on it. Or just contact your local university - they always need help.

Good luck