GOP's Lost ObamaCare Rage

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by longlostbrother

 

They also have - rationing - in Great Britain.

It reduces costs.

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The rich however get the best care that money can buy.

You should head on over to the UK and check it out.

It's called the NHS.

Need a hip replacement? Good luck.

edit on 28-9-2012 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)

What an uninformed little individual..

Please, Please, Please, do some real research before you lose ALL credibility.

You are sounding like a child who has had his Dummy taken away.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


You know how silly it looks when you keep saying the same things over and over again on different threads right? What do they call that? Rhetoric?

Also, the member who went into your post history and showed you were saying the same exact thing about McCain in 08 kind of puts into perspective how talented you are at predicting the outcome of a presidential election...

Why was the US downgraded from AAA anyway?

"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics," S&P said in a statement.

For example, S&P now assumes that tax cuts brought in under President George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003 would not, as planned, expire by 2012 because of staunch Republican opposition to any measure that would raise revenues.

So how is it that Romney will help fix this problem? Details please. Leave the rhetoric at the doorstep.

You can't just say things like "Damn, I'm good!" when you have said similar things in the past and have been wrong... No wonder you support Romney. You are delusional.

Romney should be running away with this election, but he isn't. Why? Because he is THAT BAD. And people see it.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


Umm....what?

I just pointed out that the IPAB is there to ensure there are no death panels, a lie that you are perpetuating, and you say that we need to get rid of them?

I'm confused. Did you come up with that by yourself or was that on some talking point list I am not aware of?

That has to be the lamest thing I have heard you say.....other than the comment you made about it being ok to take away personal freedoms in the interests of national security.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


I always wonder how people like Eurisko get so many stars and flags? I don't know, maybe he is a Bigfoot expert, or something. Politics certainly ain't his thing.

When someone continually floods a thread with his constant rhetoric which doesn't slow down and provides no substance and no facts, it's quite obvious what the objective is.

reply to post by PatriotGames2


There are a lot of NeoCons on this site.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

That's a lie Eurisko! There is no such thing a death panel in Obamcare!

How much longer will you be allowed to lie to people?

Yes there is.

There is a 15 member panel in Washington DC that will do the rationing.

Go check it out.

Point the way.
I need to see this for myself.
Please show me where to find them.

In the meantime, some light reading for you...Congratulations Jan Brewer, your death panel was effective. A patient has died.


See what happened there? A Republican governor sent someone home to die because they were not worth the money to fix. That is your death panel in action right now in the real world.

reply to post by BritofTexas


Yes there are, but I think we are doing a good job of holding their feet to the fire!

It's a never ending battle but as long as we stick to fact and common sense, we will win the battle.

obama gave america what it wanted.

to pay for healthcare. now he is forcing you to put up or shut up.

because YOUR taxes paying for services to help you is apparently evil socialism.

Originally posted by BritofTexas
reply to post by PatriotGames2

 

There are a lot of NeoCons on this site.

There are, but many of them are still living in reality.
The most vocal (you know the ones) have lost the plot though. They are delusional, and no doubt after the next election, there will be endless threads on ATS demanding we all go into violent revolution. heh.

But hey, they bring comic value..just make sure to check them with facts when they start spouting their insanity, in case someone comes along and thinks thats what people. The waters around here are for the easily suggestable and delusional on a good day, no need clones of insanity.

Originally posted by wascurious

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

That's a lie Eurisko! There is no such thing a death panel in Obamcare!

How much longer will you be allowed to lie to people?

Yes there is.

There is a 15 member panel in Washington DC that will do the rationing.

Go check it out.

Point the way.
I need to see this for myself.
Please show me where to find them.

In the meantime, some light reading for you...Congratulations Jan Brewer, your death panel was effective. A patient has died.


See what happened there? A Republican governor sent someone home to die because they were not worth the money to fix. That is your death panel in action right now in the real world.

Thats different.
That uses facts and an actual policy that leads to death...thats fine.
The issue with Obamacare is the death panels as a metaphore..and...erm.
Dude, he is a kenyan muslim!!!! COME ON!!!!

reply to post by Eurisko2012


Last time I checked Massachusetts didn't have death panels and they run on the near exact same system as Obamacare, which is really Romneycare...a republican plan created by the heritage foundation.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


So far the changes that have been made to healthcare have been positive. In 2014, is when the rest of the bill will be implemented. I say give the entire health care bill a chance. Lets give it a few years and see the effect before criticizing it. If it does create a massive public outrage, it will force the government to alter or change it for the better. To many people are living without healthcare coverage, which is really a disgrace for a civilized society. To turn your back on the sick and dying because their jobs don't have health care benefits, they're unemployed or unable to pay for health insurance, is really turning your back on human rights. America is always pointing the finger at countries with poor human rights, we'll it's about time we look at our own short comings in that department.

I remember when some people were against medicare because it was a government program. Ask any elderly person to give it up, and I bet you won't have any takers.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

So far the changes that have been made to healthcare have been positive. In 2014, is when the rest of the bill will be implemented. I say give the entire health care bill a chance. Lets give it a few years and see the effect before criticizing it. If it does create a massive public outrage, it will force the government to alter or change it for the better. To many people are living without healthcare coverage, which is really a disgrace for a civilized society. To turn your back on the sick and dying because their jobs don't have health care benefits, they're unemployed or unable to pay for health insurance, is really turning your back on human rights. America is always pointing the finger at countries with poor human rights, we'll it's about time we look at our own short comings in that department.

I remember when some people were against medicare because it was a government program. Ask any elderly person to give it up, and I bet you won't have any takers.

I agree. Give it a few years. There will be an outcry over the current program, but never enough to overturn it. Once that is realized, then folks will not only be open to, but welcome to, the idea of a single payer. It will happen and it will be fabulous!!!

Romney's plan of sending sick people to the ER with a cold are dead and gone.

Send mildly sick folks to a general practitioner or nurse...let's reduce ER visits and save them for seriously ill Americans. That right there would save hundreds of billions.

Originally posted by LeatherNLace

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

So far the changes that have been made to healthcare have been positive. In 2014, is when the rest of the bill will be implemented. I say give the entire health care bill a chance. Lets give it a few years and see the effect before criticizing it. If it does create a massive public outrage, it will force the government to alter or change it for the better. To many people are living without healthcare coverage, which is really a disgrace for a civilized society. To turn your back on the sick and dying because their jobs don't have health care benefits, they're unemployed or unable to pay for health insurance, is really turning your back on human rights. America is always pointing the finger at countries with poor human rights, we'll it's about time we look at our own short comings in that department.

I remember when some people were against medicare because it was a government program. Ask any elderly person to give it up, and I bet you won't have any takers.

I agree. Give it a few years. There will be an outcry over the current program, but never enough to overturn it. Once that is realized, then folks will not only be open to, but welcome to, the idea of a single payer. It will happen and it will be fabulous!!!

Romney's plan of sending sick people to the ER with a cold are dead and gone.

Send mildly sick folks to a general practitioner or nurse...let's reduce ER visits and save them for seriously ill Americans. That right there would save hundreds of billions.

With fewer doctors and millions more patients get used to long lines and rationing.

Get used to the term - Medical Tourism -.

Canada has it.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


I have relatives who live in Toronto, Canada. I also have a cousin who lived in the U.S. and ended up marrying his Canadian wife. He now lives in Canada and holds dual citizenship. Neither of them have ever complained about their government healthcare system. My American cousin thinks the system is great! Since having experienced both systems, he says he can now clearly see the negative propaganda being waged against the new healthcare system in the United States. I asked him given the choice, which system would he prefer? He said hands down the Canadian System.

You talk about long lines and waiting, I don't ever remember getting out of an emergency room in under 4 or 5 hours. Four of those hours are for waiting in the lobby and the exam room. A doctor's office visit is at the minimum a one hour waiting ordeal. So to say we don't have waiting lines in the U.S. isn't telling the truth.

To say the best way to avoid waiting lines in the doctor's offices is to deny healthcare for those who are unemployed, and those who can't afford it, really comes down to not caring about the rest of humanity who are less fortunate.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by LeatherNLace

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

So far the changes that have been made to healthcare have been positive. In 2014, is when the rest of the bill will be implemented. I say give the entire health care bill a chance. Lets give it a few years and see the effect before criticizing it. If it does create a massive public outrage, it will force the government to alter or change it for the better. To many people are living without healthcare coverage, which is really a disgrace for a civilized society. To turn your back on the sick and dying because their jobs don't have health care benefits, they're unemployed or unable to pay for health insurance, is really turning your back on human rights. America is always pointing the finger at countries with poor human rights, we'll it's about time we look at our own short comings in that department.

I remember when some people were against medicare because it was a government program. Ask any elderly person to give it up, and I bet you won't have any takers.

I agree. Give it a few years. There will be an outcry over the current program, but never enough to overturn it. Once that is realized, then folks will not only be open to, but welcome to, the idea of a single payer. It will happen and it will be fabulous!!!

Romney's plan of sending sick people to the ER with a cold are dead and gone.

Send mildly sick folks to a general practitioner or nurse...let's reduce ER visits and save them for seriously ill Americans. That right there would save hundreds of billions.

With fewer doctors and millions more patients get used to long lines and rationing.

Get used to the term - Medical Tourism -.

Canada has it.

LOL, your propaganda is getting weaker and weaker...

Originally posted by chiefsmom
So neither choice is any good.
But I know darn well, Obama isn't going to repeal the healthcare issue. and since what I've been learning, in dealing with these from our accountant, It has the POTENTIAL to put my company out of business, I cannot vote for him.
(That is just one of many reasons, but I really need this job!!!)

Indeed... This is an election where personal like, political opinion and debates or sound bytes really don't rule the day as they have in almost every other election in US History. In this one...one group can and may be the determining factor in most people's decisions, as you discovered.

..The Accountants tell the tale... In 1992 I recall the saying for Daddy Bush.. "It's the economy stuipid!!",. It was then and Clinton worked hard to fix it! Now...two following Presidents have no only undone all the positive that came before but sunk us FAR FAR beyond anything Daddy Bush or Clinton saw in their worst nightmares of fiscal chaos.

Collapse doesn't come in Republican or Democrat. Collapse comes to all and to all, decent living will end. I agree with you...what we HAVE HAD NOW...has absolutely 100% not worked and I'm damn sure now voting 4 more years of floppng around and trying this or that. 4 more years of blind trial and error will error us out of a Nation worth living in, IMO. Obamacare can go first.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by chiefsmom
So neither choice is any good.
But I know darn well, Obama isn't going to repeal the healthcare issue. and since what I've been learning, in dealing with these from our accountant, It has the POTENTIAL to put my company out of business, I cannot vote for him.
(That is just one of many reasons, but I really need this job!!!)

Indeed... This is an election where personal like, political opinion and debates or sound bytes really don't rule the day as they have in almost every other election in US History. In this one...one group can and may be the determining factor in most people's decisions, as you discovered.

..The Accountants tell the tale... In 1992 I recall the saying for Daddy Bush.. "It's the economy stuipid!!",. It was then and Clinton worked hard to fix it! Now...two following Presidents have no only undone all the positive that came before but sunk us FAR FAR beyond anything Daddy Bush or Clinton saw in their worst nightmares of fiscal chaos.

Collapse doesn't come in Republican or Democrat. Collapse comes to all and to all, decent living will end. I agree with you...what we HAVE HAD NOW...has absolutely 100% not worked and I'm damn sure now voting 4 more years of floppng around and trying this or that. 4 more years of blind trial and error will error us out of a Nation worth living in, IMO.

Obamacare can go first.

Have you been drinking?

Originally posted by BritofTexas
reply to post by longlostbrother

 

I know I'll get flamed for this but..

Most people in the U.S. when it is explained properly want Single Payer Healthcare. The Public Option would have put us on the road to this.

The country can not afford Health Insurance Companies. They are irresponsible and not cost affective.

Single-payer health care

You mean paying for all those billboards and TV commercials aren't free???

Originally posted by Eurisko2012


With fewer doctors and millions more patients get used to long lines and rationing.

Get used to the term - Medical Tourism -.

Canada has it.

Why will there be more patients and less doctors?
I thought you said no one ever waited in lines in the US.
Why will we have more patients and fewer doctors?
Or are you saying many people in the US now just have to forgo healthcare altogether and are left to die?