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Originally posted by inverslyproportional
reply to post by Nanocyte
I am a skeptic about everything you mentioned in you OP, I am a more...science minded type, I came in here wandering if you were like myself and skeptical, or a "nutjob" ( only my opinion on these subjects) like so many others about them.
Having read your OP, I am convinced I am probably beyond being resond with or persuaded into "believeing". As I have never experienced any of the above, despite trying, even in the presence of supposed experts on the subject, who assured me they culd and would " show me the way".
All I ever got out of it was wasted time and not a single "experience" other than boredom.
So as a complete skeptic that thinks everyone involved in these experiences are no more than the equivelent of a gipsie magic ball reader, or terrot card reader, or palm reader, or even the worst insult of all in my opinion just like the "ghost hunters crew" and straight up posers, pretending these things to seem cool to those you think are cool.
Is there really honestly anything to any of this other than self delusion, and schitzophrenia?
If so, am I just not "sensitive" enough? Or maybe, it doesn't work be cause I don't "believe"? If it is because I don't "believe" than doesn't that seem to prove that faith is required, meaning that you only experience it because you believe there by causing imagined episodes to occur?
Not trying to offend anyone, I just trully don't believe in any of this, and would like a straight, non hookie kookie, no nonsense answer, as I truly don't understand the mindset at all.
Yet.... there are new science quantum studies which have determined that "something" only happens/exists when it is being watched/observed? How do you account for that then?
If so, am I just not "sensitive" enough? Or maybe, it doesn't work be cause I don't "believe"? If it is because I don't "believe" than doesn't that seem to prove that faith is required, meaning that you only experience it because you believe there by causing imagined episodes to occur?
I think you would be amazed when you consider how advertising and media programs us or gives us subliminal messages and this is exactly what hypnosis does - it bypasses the conscious and gives us messages straight into the subconscious which then acts them out. If you do not realise the ways that media has an effect on all of us, you are not recognising that you too can be 'got at' subconsciously. It does not have to be called 'hypnosis' for it to work. I bet I can say some catch phrases or tag lines and you will immediately know which product I am referring to!
Maybe I am just one of those types of folks it does not work on, as some are talented artists by nature, and some (me) will never be able to draw a decent stick figure, even after much effort and time spent trying.
Energy medicine is the real way to bring this about as there are already some modalities which are orthodoxly accepted as being relevant to health treatment. Accupuncture, and homeopathy are two which are more mainstream, but the philosophy works for all kinds of other more mainstream and fringe methods such as shiatsu, yoga, tai chi, martial arts, - even Traditional Chinese Medicine. There is a homeopathic hospital in London and the UK Royal Family is rumoured to use homeopathy as their preferred method of health treatment.
Yes but how can you not be skeptical if you have no basis of understanding the experiance. From my point of view the first thing that need to be proved and become a common knowledge is how the chakra/energies/pineal gland/sense of touch works in a body and how different frequency sounds can influence the body. The understanding of the paranormal will be easier to understand when more people are expierancing it and it becomes more commonplace.
In my mind, there is no excuse for science to ignore this any longer because scientists say that they want to investigate things, but so far have not applied their minds to ways which can be used to measure these 'new' frequencies. Yes, I suppose it IS laziness and apathy, but I bet if there was money available, there would be scientists who would be lining up to investigate it. Call me cynical or what?
This won't get settled regardless of what anyone does or doesn't do to prove or disprove any of it. That said, dismissing it all out of hand, just because you haven't had an experience connected to how others have described it as a real and experienceable phenomenon, does seem a bit intellectually lazy, and more an indication of disinterest in the subject than anything else.