More than 100,000 protesting in Madrid, Spain - Surrounding/Occupy the Parliament (UPDATED)

Originally posted by Blaine91555
It was all over the news this morning.

It’s the same old stuff, people rioting for money from the government. The government has no money to give. Cowards with their faces covered taking advantage of it and causing trouble to make it about them.

They can riot all they want, but the government can't give them something they don't have. I think most are just rioting to be rioting. Some like the attention, others want to take advantage of the situation in some way and some are just thugs being thugs under the cover of the protests.

I'd hate to think that many adults are so naive they actually don't understand that their government is broke and has nothing to give them and they have given them too much already, which is why they have no more money.

It reminds me of Cows standing around the troughs waiting for food when the Rancher is late with the hay bales. They will just stand there waiting instead of going back to feeding in the pasture.

reply to post by GrimReaper86


Ever notice when something goes viral on the internet, it forces CNN or other national media to report it? I can't count how many times I've heard breaking news on ATS before any of our national media outlets feels obligated to report it.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by nerbot

 

How is a government with no money to give, that is on the precipice of bankruptcy as a nation supposed to get money to give to people. How will rioting solve their problems? They have to deal with what bankrupted them in the first place, do they not?

You do not GET it.

Those who are making the rules and creating the austerity measures are living the high life and making huge amounts of money. They are expecting those who have so little to do so much while they sit on pedestals and live lives that bear no relation to the real world.

Please do some research and start to understand.

The governments you speak of are doing a bad job and the reason they have no money is because they have raped it all for the wrong things and don't care about the people who put them there in the first place, the people have had enough.

Rioting does not solve a single problem, it only creates more.

Here in France they would dissagree. 1789–1799 The power of the people changed things for the better.

Keep digging.

Originally posted by Blaine91555


Rioting does not solve a single problem, it only creates more.

Desperate people take desperate measures. History has proven that!

Why do you marginalize the poor and those abused by the system?

Just knuckle under to the fascist? Is that your solution? Vote?

Cops are the scum of the Earth

reply to post by RealSpoke


My Dad was a cop. He was a very good man.
It's a bad idea to start generalizing. I have read many of your posts and threads. You are better than that, RealSpoke.

GETTING BACK ON TOPIC...

I live in France and will be keeping a closer eye on what might brew.

We have many small riots in some of the larger cities on an annual basis, it's in the blood and a big part of French history and tradition.

The public sector workers are often striking and asking for more, but from a personal perspective it is not that they don't deserve it, it's that they don't consider those who do not already have what they do...a job, security, healthcare, pensions etc. So when these riots happen, I think it is protesting from those who think they deserve more of what they have but outright anger from those who have nothing which is the catalyst to violence.

Those with little or nothing will stand side by side with those who want more and the fires get stoked to a point where those with so little have nothing to lose and they explode.

Government must be held accountable for their actions. If protests are ignored, the logical evolution is violent action. The ultimate action is revolution.

Although I hate bureacracy, I am still glad I live in France. The system is strong and the people know how to use it. It IS the people, from city office workers to farmers, the rules are endless but work both ways.

I also think the French government do a little more looking over their shoulders than in most countries. History has ensured that.

reply to post by Neysa


This is true, there are good cops that i can attest too since one saved my life. However i have known more "drone" like cops that have become inundated with the scourge they deal with day to day hence they become thy work in turn abuse that power. They are only human and many if not most obviously will beat his own countrymen for the sake of keeping his job. Because when it comes down to it realistically most men will put his livelihood before his patriotism even his rights as we see here. With that said..

It's a bad day to be a cop in Spain

The corrupt politicians in parliament will use the police as goons disposed of like cannon fodder much like my government has done with it;s police farce during Occupy in NYC to Oakland a year ago. And just like my corrupt government has used our armed services in such the same fashion to rape and pillage mecca for special interests under a false pretext.

Rule of thumb: dont be a cop at least in these times

What is the purpose of the riot?
(Sorry i never participated in any,and just curious what they want to reach with this kind of behavior.)

reply to post by olaru12

You see this today in Greece and Spain. In one year, this will spread to the US, but it will be X10 bigger. If Obama is still here, it will be a revolution and will be very ugly and nasty.
Obama has not only indebted the US beyond any recovery, he has successfully polarized the US so well that every group will plot against every other group and we will be worse than Greece, we will be Serbia 2012 with multiple ethnic cleansing events. You think it is far fetched. Just watch as this train wreck unfolds with no leader in place to stop it.

As much as I want the occupy movement to succeed...It never will until they get far more organized. A bunch of people showing up screaming about the government being unfair is not going to change anything.


They need to be organized. Figure out what they want and need as a group. Figure out how to make that happen and then get to work.

Just screaming about how unfair it is wont change anything.... This is the big flaw with the occupy movement. Again, I want them to succeed...But until they get organized.....MUCH more organized, nothing will ever happen.

Sometimes I wonder if they even know what they want.... And this is coming from a guy who supports the movement.

Originally posted by eagledriver
You see this today in Greece and Spain. In one year, this will spread to the US, but it will be X10 bigger. If Obama is still here, it will be a revolution and will be very ugly and nasty.

It would be just as nasty with the other candidate whats his name? But yeah he may want to invest in a deep underground bunker underneath the car elevator in his living room


Paul was the only way out of this mess .... wait for it

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Rioting does not solve a single problem, it only creates more.

Actually Europe has a long history of riots and peoples revolts that have solved problems.

1.On the surface, the peasants were crushed, their demands denied, and many executed. However, the land owners had been scared, and in the longer term several things were achieved.

2. Parliament gave up trying to control the wages the landowners paid their peasants.

3. The hated poll tax was never raised again.

4. The Lords treated the peasants with much more respect. They made more of them free men ie. they were not owned as part of the land. This benefited in the end, as free men always work much harder.

5. This marked the breakdown of the feudal system, which had worked well during the early Middle Ages, but was now becoming outdated as attitudes were beginning to change.

The Peasants’ Revolt 1381

THE MASS non-payment campaign against the poll tax inspired millions to get organised and take action in their local areas. But it was Militant supporters (now Socialist Party members) who played the key role in arguing for and carrying through the strategy and tactics which eventually proved victorious. MARK WAINWRIGHT looks back at our role.

Militant's Proud Role in defeating the poll tax

The Battle of Trafalgar Square: The poll tax riots revisited



Sometimes unfortunately in a system where the people have no voice this is necessary.

The protesters should take paintball guns to the protest and shoot the police with paintballs.

can you imagine getting hit with hundreds or even thousands of paintballs?It`s hard to beat protesters if you can see anything because you`re covered in paint

Originally posted by nerbot
GETTING BACK ON TOPIC...

I live in France and will be keeping a closer eye on what might brew.

We have many small riots in some of the larger cities on an annual basis, it's in the blood and a big part of French history and tradition.

The public sector workers are often striking and asking for more, but from a personal perspective it is not that they don't deserve it, it's that they don't consider those who do not already have what they do...a job, security, healthcare, pensions etc. So when these riots happen, I think it is protesting from those who think they deserve more of what they have but outright anger from those who have nothing which is the catalyst to violence.

Those with little or nothing will stand side by side with those who want more and the fires get stoked to a point where those with so little have nothing to lose and they explode.

Government must be held accountable for their actions. If protests are ignored, the logical evolution is violent action. The ultimate action is revolution.

Although I hate bureacracy, I am still glad I live in France. The system is strong and the people know how to use it. It IS the people, from city office workers to farmers, the rules are endless but work both ways.

I also think the French government do a little more looking over their shoulders than in most countries. History has ensured that.

Tres bien dit; Vous les aidez a comprendre..

Originally posted by Neysa
My Dad was a cop. He was a very good man.
It's a bad idea to start generalizing. I have read many of your posts and threads. You are better than that, RealSpoke.

Go to a protest and then tell me that comment is generalised.

How good a man is makes no difference when they are under orders they are willing to carry out.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by olaru12

 

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Again I think your ignoring what I was commenting about. I suppose I should have been clearer.

I am 100% on the side of peaceful and meaningful protest, but what I saw on the news this morning was anything but that.

My criticism was of those who seem to not understand that their own government has ran completely out of money and yet riot for more money, even though it does not exist.

If they are peacefully protesting against their government that is a good thing as long as they don't resort to denying others their rights or rioting, which is what I saw on the news. Damaging property won't make money magically appear in the government coffers.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

edit on 9/26/2012 by Blaine91555 because: (no reason given)

If the government has run out of money, it is because it has been stolen by bankers, or politicians who perhaps are aware that we are entering phases of the New World Order paradigm.. It might be a good idea to take a look at Bankia, and the problem that Caja Madrid recently had with their bailout.. Money is being stolen by bankers and that alone is reason enough to revolt; Also, the cuts that are being made due to lack of funds, is affecting EXCESSIVELY your everyday common worker, your postal worker, your nurses, your teachers your schools, etc, So in Spain, they are saying take the money from the excess profit that big business and bankers make instead of taking it all through austerities from the common good man workers-- How do these protests help?

It is a sign that people are aware that they are being taken advantage of, and that in and of itself, is entirely positive and appropriate-- It's very symbolic so maybe it would be better to stay away from saying that protesting is useless because the gov. has no cash-- The cash is there but it is being distributed inappropriately and unfairly- I think that's the message there too.

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Merci mon amis. (Thankyou my friend)

Don't forget that we only allow English here so a little translation would stop you/me getting our knuckles wrapped.

Tres bien dit; Vous les aidez a comprendre..
Very well written, You helped me understand

I'm glad I added some perspective and something useful to you.

cheers

Originally posted by Tardacus
The protesters should take paintball guns to the protest and shoot the police with paintballs.

can you imagine getting hit with hundreds or even thousands of paintballs?It`s hard to beat protesters if you can see anything because you`re covered in paint

And at what point would police differentiate between a paintball gun and a real ammunition gun?

Inncoent people WOULD get shot and the police would have their justification for using firearms.

Bad idea, and if you'd thought about it from anything but a humourous perspective you would agree.