Paul Ryan: ‘Do you want Barack Obama to be re-elected? Then don’t vote for Ron Paul.’

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by Nite_wing

Originally posted by MidnightTide

Originally posted by Nite_wing
You are imposters.
Those who say they support Ron Paul but will vote Obama are imposters.
Ron Paul stood for less government. Obama stands for more government.

You are imposters from the Obama camp. You can try to deny it but nobody will believe you except other deceivers.

If you vote for either of those clowns you are an imposter....both are globalist puppets.

Obama will take your money and give it to someone else via social programs and Romney will just give it to the corporations.

# choices.

edit on 25-9-2012 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)

Show me how Romney will give money to corporations. And if he does, why it will not lead to more jobs. Don't just repeat the mantra.

He keeps crying for deregulation's on the banks and wall street. It was because of the lax regulations on the banks and wall street that led to crash which cost many people their jobs.

Well...there you go using basic deductive reasoning again. Hasn't anybody told you that "real Americans" are supposed to cherish willful ignorance as our highest virtue?

Originally posted by benrl
Obama is getting re-elected no matter what, The republican party screwed the pooch, theres no recovering for them this time.

Its a game, they are sacrificing Mitt for a Jeb Bush run next time, 4 more years of obama and people might overlook another Bush...

Either way Im not voting one of the Two parties, its not about beating obama, its about doing what right.

For once IM not voting for one of the two offered up choices, even if it accomplishes nothing, I will know that I did the right thing.

Im not giving my consent to any of the two Ass clowns running.

You don't have to...Gary Johnson is on the ballot in all 50 and Julie Stein is on the ballot in 40-something states.

Jesse Ventura - 2016..?

Originally posted by Nite_wing

Originally posted by MidnightTide

Originally posted by Nite_wing
You are imposters.
Those who say they support Ron Paul but will vote Obama are imposters.
Ron Paul stood for less government. Obama stands for more government.

You are imposters from the Obama camp. You can try to deny it but nobody will believe you except other deceivers.

If you vote for either of those clowns you are an imposter....both are globalist puppets.

Obama will take your money and give it to someone else via social programs and Romney will just give it to the corporations.

# choices.

edit on 25-9-2012 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)

Show me how Romney will give money to corporations. And if he does, why it will not lead to more jobs. Don't just repeat the mantra.

Romney does plan on doing some serious cutting in business taxes, capital gains and even bring in territorial tax system (that means American companies running out of the country don't have to pay any taxes). Now all well and good, but does this mean they are going to reinvest? I am not too sure about that, in the 20 some years I have been working full time most big business I have worked for just padded their profits and stock holders were made happy. Now the common Joe on the floor - nothing.

and even if they do create more jobs, until Romney (or whoever becomes president) addresses the trade imbalances that is occurring, those jobs will be low pay (because we are competing with 3rd world - for example, I make a good living, work in the graphical design / box industry, but the same position in Mexico, they get paid 5 dollars an hour....unless we get rid of free trade / NAFTA / start imposing tariffs we are always going to be bleeding jobs as businesses look to save money - and with the global market that is the name of the game - and do I see anyone doing that to China, NOPE)


and as I said, I don't see Obama doing anything either - the USA is in between a rock and a hard place....spend to keep the system flowing and run out of cash / credit or cut spending and watch the economy drop like a rock.

Originally posted by greenWeenie
Is it just me, or did he word this all backwards? Isn't "Do you want Obama re-elected? Then don't vote for Ron Paul;" the same as saying, "If you don't want Obama re-elected, then vote for Ron Paul?"

Well see, I was planning to, but your thugs at the RNC decided that wasn't an option.

Damn this was a great post!!

I cant see any Paul Supporters voting Republican after the travesty at the convention.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Jesse Ventura - 2016..?

He's got my vote.

Originally posted by crawdad1914

Originally posted by greenWeenie
Is it just me, or did he word this all backwards? Isn't "Do you want Obama re-elected? Then don't vote for Ron Paul;" the same as saying, "If you don't want Obama re-elected, then vote for Ron Paul?"

Well see, I was planning to, but your thugs at the RNC decided that wasn't an option.

Damn this was a great post!!

I cant see any Paul Supporters voting Republican after the travesty at the convention.

Exactly. I mean...just the brass balls and arrogance of these guys is incredible, isn't it? They just assume they have all the RP supporters votes no matter what.

...talk about feeling "entitled" to things, huh?

reply to post by theconspirator


I see the ATS Mods are denying ignorance through censorship again and have removed your post.

Please send it to me in a private message as I would very much like to read what you have to say. I disagree with any and all forms of censorship. Period.

Romney does plan on doing some serious cutting in business taxes, capital gains and even bring in territorial tax system (that means American companies running out of the country don't have to pay any taxes). Now all well and good, but does this mean they are going to reinvest? I am not too sure about that, in the 20 some years I have been working full time most big business I have worked for just padded their profits and stock holders were made happy. Now the common Joe on the floor - nothing.

Exactly. If we want to give these companies a "tax break" why don't we give them a 2:1 tax deduction for any capital improvements in manufacturing facilities or infrastructure on US soil?

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by TheLieWeLive
It just blows my mind what people will believe. How does voting for someone else count towards the other guy? Why would it count for Obama and not Romney?

Liberals would not vote for him, therefore Obama won't lose votes.

Let's use some simple math.

Obama gets 48%
Romnet gets 47%
Paul gets 5%

If the majority of Paul supporters would never vote for Obama (which they shouldn't as Paul is MUCH more in line with Republicans than Democrats, that's why he chose their party), then Paul supporters just gave Obama the election. It's really very simple I don't understand why it needs an explanation at all.

You're missing the point. Romney IS OBAMA...albeit with a nuttier religion and a burning desire to start WWIII with Israel.

The two-party system is broken. This election is a lost cause. In order to make a third party have a viable shot in 2016 or 2020...we will all need to pitch in and show that they can pull 5-15% of the popular vote.

Originally posted by jjkenobi
He's right (of course). It's the Ross Perot effect all over again from the 1992 election. Clinton only got 43% of the vote and won. Bush Sr and Perot made up the other 56%. 43% is staggeringly low (John Kerry got 48% and lost in 2004). Democrats aren't the ones voting Libertarian or Green or Independent. If Gary Johnson or Ron Paul get any significant votes Obama is guaranteed a victory.

Of course we all know from the 2000 election the total number of votes doesn't equal election victory.

edit on 25-9-2012 by jjkenobi because: (no reason given)

Not necessarily. I voted Obama in '08 because I was opposed to the Bush Admin.'s illegal imperial wars overseas, the erosion of the civil liberties, and I think it's wrong to torture people. Obama failed miserably on all counts...so I supported Ron Paul.

I am now going to vote for Gary Johnson....but if there was NO OTHER candidate to vote for other than Romney or Obama..I would still vote for Obama again.

You are failing to realize that the "ron paul" movement ORIGINALLY gained traction in universities and w/ people under the age of 30. Ron Paul took a whole lot more voters from Obama than he did from people who think Newt Gingrinch, Michele Bachman, or Sarah Palin have good "ideas" (term used in the loosest possible sense of the word).

The ONLY republican I have ever voted for in my lifetime has been Ron Paul...and now I'm voting Gary Johnson because I realize that the two-party system is completely and utterly broken. Voting for EITHER Romney or Obama is throwing away your vote.

just fill your own name in ^^

From day one I said I would write in Ron Paul if necessary.
I have not and will not change my stance. A vote for any other is the same as "meet the new boss... same as the old boss"

This has really been eating at me for a few days now. I can't stand either party, but would have solidly supported Ron Paul. The rigging of the RNC was absolutely shameful.

Thinking it over, I may have to vote Romney for one simple reason. I'd rather have a president in his first term who has to worry about reelection than a 2nd term president with nothing to lose. I hate it, hate it to the core, but an unleashed executive really bothers me.

And my daughter is horrified when I drop her off at school with the "Cthulhu 2012 - Why settle for the lesser evil?" sticker on my car.

reply to post by milominderbinder


I think at least in general, Paul Ryan was playing on fears of too few people here. "Don't vote for that guy cause its just going to get this guy re-elected again, and we all know how terrible that would be" kind of thing. Which really has no basis in reality whatsoever... but if one guy that preaches to a group of people on a daily (or weekly) basis stirs enough collective thought around, then people might start to believe it, sadly enough. Paul Ryan, or Obama, or Romney, not one of them, give me anything to take away with me whenever I hear them talk. According to them, what they say are things to be forgotten after the beginning of next year.
I encourage everyone to look into your state voting laws to see if writing in a candidate would really make a difference, and if not, then vote for Gary Johnson. He is no Ron Paul, but he is much better than Obamney.

I live in Ohio, so naturally I'm getting bookoo calls about the election.
every single time someone calls I answer I'll write in Ron Paul.

"But he's not on the ballet."
That's irrelevant, it's my decision, and that's usually the end of the convo.

Today however, I got the most asinine call ever, a woman calls me and asks if I would answer three questions, I said as long as they're not scripted, sure.

First one is would I support Romney, and I said my standard, no I'm writing in RP.
The very next words out of her mouth were and I quote "well that's just wasting a vote sir."

And the trumpets sounded, and the clouds parted and the next thing that happened was I found those WMD they were looking for in Iraq, right in my living room!

"First off, where do you get off telling me MY vote is a waste? Who do you think you are? And second, the way the RNC treated RP & his delegates at the convention in Tampa last month, why do you think RP voters would support Romney after the crap that was pulled there? I mean seriously, what planet do you live on?"

"You have a nice day sir" - click.

Unreal, these ppl are SERIOUSLY deluded if they think ppl's memories are so short.

I personally know of several ppl voting for Obama out of pure spite b/c of what happened at the RNC.

reply to post by schadenfreude

wast·ed/ˈwāstid/
Adjective:
1.Used or expended carelessly, extravagantly, or to no purpose: "wasted fuel".
2.(of an action) Not producing the desired result: "a wasted journey".

What is the purpose of your casting a vote for RP? What is the desired outcome?
Depending on you see it wasted is correct. It's your right to do so though and I wouldn't tell you otherwise.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by schadenfreude

 

wast·ed/ˈwāstid/
Adjective:
1.Used or expended carelessly, extravagantly, or to no purpose: "wasted fuel".
2.(of an action) Not producing the desired result: "a wasted journey".

What is the purpose of your casting a vote for RP? What is the desired outcome?
Depending on you see it wasted is correct. It's your right to do so though and I wouldn't tell you otherwise.

Honestly? I agree with several other posters here that a vote for EITHER is a wasted vote, they're both the same. Voting for the "lesser of two evils" is still a vote for evil.

MAYBE if more ppl refused to play this "game", the rules would change, but seeing as how most ppl still believe in the system, (even when it's flipping them off) why should the system EVER change?

So, to put it simply, there's something more important here than voting for either, and a vote for RP is a vote against the system. (IMHO)

reply to post by milominderbinder

Ryan tells it how it is and while I am a very disappointed Ron Paul supporter, I would prefer ANYONE but Obama and those with him.

It's like a man in the middle of desert dying of thirst with only a canteen of piss to drink...what are you going to do?

Bush was really bad but I have never objected or opposed anyone as much as Obama and consider him and those with him the worst enemies my country has ever had. I doubt we will survive these dregs and devils but if we can get the Obama's out of the White-house and begin replacing Congress and taking out the trash, maybe there is a chance.

That's what I think and if Obama is re-elected, don't worry, me and mine are going to leave.

Has this all been scripted? It is just too perfect watching this jerk going off in self-destruct mode. The Stench is horrific. It is like poetic justice as a payback for how they treated Paul, the only one in this election cycle that had an ounce of charisma and caused some excitement.

The billionaire pounds home the point that ego and money alone will not win the White House. Outside of those two resources Romney is bankrupt. He himself can't even give you a good why you should vote for him other than that he is not Obama. For a number of people that is enough to win their vote, but jeeez Mitts, you need at least one more to win the Oval Office. It's not like the competition this year is all that tough.

It is like an obvious lesson is being staged for us the public, and is rather pathetic we get to watch a butt-wipe come unravelled. I suspect it is a set-up so we will appreciate Obama winning and be grateful that at least it wasn't that other jerk. It is not even believable that someone would sabotage their own presidential campaign that way. He got rid of the peoples' favorite, Dr. Paul by being a jerk and now Obama is going to have him for dinner and almost the entire country will be glad to see it happen. At least that appears to be the plan.

As for those folks who wanted to see a real Republican get elected, sorry but there is none the people and the corporate masters both approve of, but Barry O will do their bidding for them.

I am voting for Johnson and Judge Gray. If enough people waste their vote on them, they will win!