Paul Ryan: ‘Do you want Barack Obama to be re-elected? Then don’t vote for Ron Paul.’

reply to post by Monger


Touche...........but it's very similar to people saying they hate America.......well if that's the case then MOVE! You cannot affect change if you sit on the sidelines, but I see from the poster, he/she does intend to write in a vote. Okay, then, that works, but your assertion that not voting at all is somehow voicing an opinion is asinine. Take care.

Every vote that is taken from Romney is also taken from Obama

Because most Paul voters would assumedly vote for Romney if RP wasn't running. This is basic politics 101, not rocket science.

Is it just me, or did he word this all backwards? Isn't "Do you want Obama re-elected? Then don't vote for Ron Paul;" the same as saying, "If you don't want Obama re-elected, then vote for Ron Paul?"

Well see, I was planning to, but your thugs at the RNC decided that wasn't an option.

Originally posted by TheLieWeLive
It just blows my mind what people will believe. How does voting for someone else count towards the other guy? Why would it count for Obama and not Romney?

Liberals would not vote for him, therefore Obama won't lose votes.

Let's use some simple math.

Obama gets 48%
Romnet gets 47%
Paul gets 5%

If the majority of Paul supporters would never vote for Obama (which they shouldn't as Paul is MUCH more in line with Republicans than Democrats, that's why he chose their party), then Paul supporters just gave Obama the election. It's really very simple I don't understand why it needs an explanation at all.

Originally posted by CB328

Every vote that is taken from Romney is also taken from Obama

Because most Paul voters would assumedly vote for Romney if RP wasn't running. This is basic politics 101, not rocket science.

Thank you for having at least 2 working brain cells and getting it.

Originally posted by Cowgirlstraitup7
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but your assertion that not voting at all is somehow voicing an opinion is asinine. Take care.

Kindly show me where I said anything even remotely like that. Whether somebody chooses to vote for one of two evils or to not vote at all is their choice and its a perfectly valid one. Choosing not to play the game, when it's so clearly rigged from the get-go is hardly asinine, some might say that it's the only reasonable choice.

The ones basing their assumptions on the fact those who would vote for Ron Paul would normally not vote for Obama are wrong. Paul has pulled in a ton of independent voters who have left both the Republican party and the Democrat party. He ran as a Republican but the voters are coming from both parties.

Paul Ryan is an idiot. The only thing more infuriating about how he said what he said (seriously, is this the most retarded duo in the history of modern Presidential elections? They both try and act so suave but they are dunces) was the follow up:

There are many things that Ron has championed that I am a believer in. Especially liberty and sound money. Look at where we are. And this is where we all see eye to eye. We believe in limited government and economic freedom. We believe in pro-growth policies that say, You keep your money in your family's budget, in your family's business instead of sending it to Washington in the first place. That creates prosperity, freedom and jobs.

And on an issue where Ron has been particularly explicit, the Federal Reserve is yet again trying to bail out the fact that Obama, President Obama has failed on fiscal policy. All of this money printing, which is coming from the Federal Reserve, risks debasing our currency. It risks undermining the value of our dollar, it risks increasing prices on things like food and gas. And among the things that the government can do to harm its people, one of the worst things is to debase its currency. We need sound money, we need our money to have a reliable store of value, especially for people living on fixed incomes. That's an area we feel very strong about.

He is a fake conservative and a liar. You do not have my vote, Mr. Ryan. One less registered Republican you will not have supporting you.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

If the majority of Paul supporters would never vote for Obama (which they shouldn't as Paul is MUCH more in line with Republicans than Democrats, that's why he chose their party), then Paul supporters just gave Obama the election. It's really very simple I don't understand why it needs an explanation at all.

Oh well, that's the way the egg rolls. Neither Obama nor Romney have much to offer independent and non party-line voters - nor apparently not much to offer their own party either otherwise there would be more enthusiasm.

For those who are liberty-leaning on social issues and self-ownership then Romney is really the zero-opportunity guy who stated emphatically he is anti-medical mj and appears to be the same on other self-responsibility issues. Obama would then appear to be the lesser evil by a fair margin, though not enough to get our vote. Tough luck, Mittens. You folks missed your opportunity to give a class act at the convention.

Another moronic politician bites the dust.

Originally posted by TheLieWeLive
We need a third party, maybe we even need 5 or more party systems. Deciding between the lesser of two evils just isn't getting it.

We do, but nobody ever takes them seriously. I'm afraid it's all narrowed down to blue lightsabers vs. red lightsabers. The green lightsaber usually has the better sound effect, yet no one ever seems to notice.

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Regardless I was explaining why what Ryan said was true. As far as Liberty-minded goes .. NDAA, enough said.

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Yeah, Ryan is laying thick on the pathos. Sort of funny, actually.

My state doesnt allow write in votes.

I have to vote Johnson.

...I wont give my vote to the Romney people after all GOP shinanigans going on this election cycle.

..And I like how Paul Ryan is already blaming a loss on Paul supporters.
"If you dont want Obama to win then vote for me"... crap.

-sorry, they wont get my pity vote. I pity them all.

Get ready for a crappy 4 years ahead if Romney or Obama get elected. which they more than likely will.

Theres two real choices to choose from ...The Obamney ticket- or the Johnson ticket.
-I will take the latter.

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They know the only way they can get votes is to SCARE people with the prospect of the "big bad Obama". That is all they are running on! They have no substance to their campaign nor plans for this country. They have ONE object only. Appealing to the base fear of people.

Good luck with that, boys!

It is my personal opinion that everyone should vote for who they want to vote for.

Originally posted by TheLieWeLive
It just blows my mind what people will believe. How does voting for someone else count towards the other guy? Why would it count for Obama and not Romney?
These politicians spill nonsense and people just lap it up not willing to even think that it doesn't make sense. If I was to vote for Ron Paul or even Gary Johnson then that is a vote for them. Not anyone else. There is no splitting the vote.

We need a third party, maybe we even need 5 or more party systems. Deciding between the lesser of two evils just isn't getting it.

I understand what you are saying but you are missing one key component.

Our Political process is dominated by 2 parties. There are only so many voters to go around. So if Republican Candidate A gets 25% of the vote, Democratic Candidate B gets 50% of the vote, and third Party Candidate C gets 25% of the vote, it is viewed that Candidate C from the third party cut into the Republican vote. It is a simple formula that defies all logic if you happen to believe that you actually have a choice outside of the big 2 parties.

This is just one of the many manipulations used against the population to keep our political process limited to just 2 Parties.

By Paul Ryan making this statement all he is doing is trying to scare you into voting Republican. He is pandering to the "anyone but Obama" crowd. If you don't want Obama in office, you MUST vote Romney- any other vote will just ensure 4 more years of Obama.

Originally posted by TheLieWeLive

Originally posted by neo96
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama rather obvious:

Every vote that takes away from Romney will keep Obama in office,.

Come people the Ross Perot and Ralph Nader effect,.

Every vote that is taken from Romney is also taken from Obama. How does that keep Obama in office?

While this is technically true, it is generally the disenfranchised on the conservative end that will write in a name, or vote third party. So, in that sense, each Ron Paul or Gary Johnson vote hurts Romney more than Obama. The dems will vote Obama for the most part, so Romney needs every fringe or independent vote he can get.

I am so tired of this kind of rhetoric.

No one should ever be faulted for voting for who they agree with! It is our duty as voters to only vote for someone you agree with. If you can't be proud of your vote, don't vote!

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.

DC

Originally posted by solarstorm
I will write in RON PAUL in bold caps and black out the other ass clowns with a sharpie.

Please carefully follow the instructions for a write-in vote if your state allows it.
But, yeah, I get where you're coming from.

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The solution:

Originally posted by neo96
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama rather obvious:

Every vote that takes away from Romney will keep Obama in office,.

Come people the Ross Perot and Ralph Nader effect,.

How does that work?

If I either go vote for Johnson or I stay home how does Obama get my support?

Romney can suck it. Obama can suck it. So I either drop out or I vote for someone I actually like rather than vote against someone I dont.

I prefer the dropping out option but all these other asshats wont let me. They'll just use their collective authoritarian might to take my property and kill me regardless of whether or not I want to participate.