When Prophecies Coincide!

So in the Catholic Church, there is the predictions of Saint Malachi that talks about the final Pope, Petrus Romanus; interestingly, Benedict is the Pope preceding this Pope. When Benedict dies, the very next Pope will be the much awaited "Petrus Romanus" who will "nourish the sheep in many tribulations". But after this pope - no more Popes! What does that imply? To the many catholics who subscribe to this prediction, it means we are living in the end times.

In Judaism, there are of course the many predictions in the books of the prophets, but more tantalizingly, there's the predictions of the Zohar.

"Zohar I, Va'era 32a

In the future the children of Yishmael will stir great wars in the world. And the children of Edom [the West] will gather against them, and make war with them, one on the sea, and one on the land, and one by Jerusalem; and each one will prevail over the other but the Holy Land will not fall to the hands of Edom.

At the same time, a nation from the end of the world will be awakened against wicked Rome. And it will make war against her for three months, and many nations will gather there, and they will fall by her hand, until all the children of Edom will gather against her from all corners of the earth. And then G-d will awaken Himself against them, as it says, a 'a sacrificial slaughter for the Lord in Batzra', and it says, 'to shake the corners of the Land'.

More precise is the prediction in Zohar III Shalach Lecha 166a

The King of Persia will rule and will conquer many kingdoms. He will rule over the Holy Land for twelve months. He will rule and kill many (including Moshiach ben Yosef) and afterwards the King (of Persia) will fall and the high holy ones (Israel) will receive the kingship."

Now, this is a pretty incredible prediction. First, it says there will be tribulations in Rome - affirming the prediction of Saint Malachi, then it predicts that Persia will make war upon Edom (the west), which again seems to be occurring, and then it predicts that Paras (aramaic for Persia) will attack the 'holy land' i.e. Israel.

In the eyes of many Orthodox Jews, this current geopolitical scenario would appear to be a confirmation of the Zohars predictions.

Now, in Iran, with the Shi'ites, you have the predictions of the Hadith. Some portents of the imminent coming of the Mahdi predicted by the Hadith are:

The vast majority of people who profess to be Muslim will be so only in name despite their practice of Islamic rites and it will be they who make war with the Mahdi.

There will be a great conflict in the land of Syria, until it is destroyed.

Death and fear will afflict the people of Baghdad and Iraq. A fire will appear in the sky and a redness will cover them.

Islamic internecine conflict between Sunni's and Shi'ites, and between other groups within these sects proves the first prediction; the second prediction of a great conflict in Syria would seem to be pretty well matched by the current civil war there; and the 'death and fear' in Baghdad and Iraq could be seen to be the aftermath of the US war in Iraq.



Whatever your views are of "prophecy", it is pretty amazing that three different religions predicting three different things all find these predictions coming to fruition in the time period that we currently live in. What are the chances??

You know about the conspiracy theory that the prophecy of the popes was fake, written after the fact for someones personal gain, right? I dont know what to think of it, but the early popes are very detailed and accurate in the prophecy, the current popes are uhm.... Like, benedict is the glory of the olive? Really? What the hell does that mean? Some of the papal connections are very sketchy, others seem right on...

reply to post by phroziac


The symbol for the benedictine order is an olive branch.

Ratzinger could have picked any name; he decided on the one that clearly alluded to the prophecy of the popes.

I find that to be weird.

I wonder if the "new Pope" will in fact be the Anti-Christ, if there is one!!!??? Im not even kidding either!

Flame away!!!!!!

I am some how familiar with these prophecies.

Those people use Satans to get news from them.

They are the ones who picture end of time as a period of destruction and oppression.

This is what they have been told wrong.

Those daemons have played them.

But they are not totally wrong. And that is the trick to bring people down to hell with themselves.

I have explained a little about them link

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One might want to toss the prophesies of Daniel into the mix. Looking at Daniel 8 and 11 it would appear some of the early ones have occurred. And in the Daniel 11 prophesy it would appear that in the end times there is a great war between the kingdoms of the north and south. Europe vs the middle east. And the odd thing about those propehsies? They are supposed to happen in the time of the end. Which appears to mean when the Israelites have become a multitude of nations..

Originally posted by phroziac
You know about the conspiracy theory that the prophecy of the popes was fake, written after the fact for someones personal gain, right? I dont know what to think of it, but the early popes are very detailed and accurate in the prophecy, the current popes are uhm.... Like, benedict is the glory of the olive? Really? What the hell does that mean? Some of the papal connections are very sketchy, others seem right on...

OKay, so even if its fake than whats the gain?

Whats the end game in faking a prophecy or altering it, whats the long con on it?

Originally posted by MamaJ
I wonder if the "new Pope" will in fact be the Anti-Christ, if there is one!!!??? Im not even kidding either!

Flame away!!!!!!

"New Pope" = Same Pope, different spirit (mind) having been merged with the Father of all lies.

You are NOT kidding.

God Bless,

In the future the children of Yishmael will stir great wars in the world. And the children of Edom [the West] will gather against them,

Sorry, but I cannot go beyond this statement from the Zohar. It's a lie.

But He (Jesus) answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24

Paul's "Gentiles" were the nations of Israel. The elect have been within those calling themselves Christian for close to 2,000 years.

Do you really feel that scripture, with nearly 2,500 uses of the word Israel, suddenly shifted to some unknown category of people? The Zohar's states "the children of Edom (the west)"... Can I ask if "the west" is your addition or if it's straight from it's text?

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I can't tell if you noticed, but I'm speaking from an entirely academic point of view.

If I were to speak as a Jew, naturally I'd feel required to discount the predictions of catholics/christians and Muslims. So, in order to look to at this situation seriously, I have to do so irrespective of my own personal views.

Regardless of your feelings towards the Zohar, the predictions pretty accurately convey the scenario Israel and the west finds itself today.

Likewise, with the Hadith, and likewise the malachi prophecy which coincides in this period.

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The Zohar's states "the children of Edom (the west)"... Can I ask if "the west" is your addition or if it's straight from it's text?

Do you read Hebrew?? The Hebrew Bible essentially identifies Esau with Edom. Edom, later on was associated by the Rabbi's of the Talmud with Rome. And the inheritor of Romes mantle is Christendom/the west,

The Bible thinks in typological terms; the characteristics of Esau pretty well reflect the political mentality of the ancient pagan empires; originally, the term was applied to the kingdom of Edom - in Jordan. But the Rabbi's noted that this trait of 'edom' (Edom means red, i.e. blood) had a lust for empire, for forcing upon others his will, and ultimately for exacting complete control, was manifest in the Roman empire.

The Bible also describes Esau as being hairy - which would refer to an in insensitivity to external events - which I think would pretty well apply to both Roman and Christian peoples (crusades, inquisition, holocaust etc), and also having 'game in his mouth'; the word for game also means 'trickery' i.e. he plays political games with peoples minds..

Edom is Jordan and part of Saudi Arabia.....not exactly what I would consider "the West".

In Rabbinic literature, "Edom" was simply used as a slang word for "Rome". Sorta like calling Las Vegas, "Sodom and Gomorrah."
Regardless, this would have been hundreds of years after any prophecies written about Edom in biblical texts.

I studied what you're talking about a few years ago. If my data was accurate, Benedict is the last pope.

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That's what i came up with too.
Maybe he is just the last real pope???

reply to post by dontreally


All Bible Prophecy Will Be Fulfilled.

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Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by phroziac

 

The symbol for the benedictine order is an olive branch.

Ratzinger could have picked any name; he decided on the one that clearly alluded to the prophecy of the popes.

I find that to be weird.

I find it to be weird they change their names at all. Also, its a very weak connection. infact its a very vague and basically useless line of the prophecy. but interesting.

Originally posted by benrl

Originally posted by phroziac
You know about the conspiracy theory that the prophecy of the popes was fake, written after the fact for someones personal gain, right? I dont know what to think of it, but the early popes are very detailed and accurate in the prophecy, the current popes are uhm.... Like, benedict is the glory of the olive? Really? What the hell does that mean? Some of the papal connections are very sketchy, others seem right on...

OKay, so even if its fake than whats the gain?

Whats the end game in faking a prophecy or altering it, whats the long con on it?

Either just a prank or someone tried to get their buddy pope-ified by "discovering" a prophecy that up to that point was accurate (because it was written after the fact).

What do you think people will think of 911 in 500 years?

We will know if its real or not very soon. Benedict will be dead within the next decade.
Also, interestingly, peter the romans entry is not numbered. It might be a continuation of the glory of the olive. Henedict may infact be the last pope. Anyway the catholics even think its fake. But atoeast they didnt hide it away in their archives like god knows what else.

These links are very interesting.

forums.catholic.com...
ezinearticles.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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In Rabbinic literature, "Edom" was simply used as a slang word for "Rome". Sorta like calling Las Vegas, "Sodom and Gomorrah."

Yes, I said exactly that.

Edom was kingdom in southern Jordan.

But Edom also represents an IDEA - an archetype. It's the archetype that the Rabbi's applied to Rome. And its that same archetype which animates the west today.

Regardless, this would have been hundreds of years after any prophecies written about Edom in biblical texts.

What difference does that make? The Zohar is a text of it's own; Edom means Rome or Christendom in it's terminology (depending on whether you think the Zohar is actually the work of the 2nd century sage Shimon Bar Yochai, or the 12th century mystic and Rabbi, Moses De Leon.)

Does it change the prediction? No. 900 years ago, at the latest, this was predicted..

So, it seems a maority of the religious nuts in te world share similar END TIMES prophecies......
This doesnt bode well for the rest of us because they are going to "manifest" this scenario whether we like it or not.......
All it takes is a majority of these people deciding its really really the end times, and we will see chaos like never before as they run in circles screaming and shouting.....
The system will go down like a chinese firedrill......

If this is what we have got now


Imagine what the false phophet is going to be like...


They are way too close for my liking !!!