Stars and Planets, Meteors and Comets, the TRUTH

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Sry the trusty ol android messed up and I double posted

Originally posted by magickmaster
Are any of you out there skeptical that stars are actually stars and planets are actually planets?
I have doubts because of the following reasons.

I was taught as a child about shooting stars. Then I grew up and learned they are not stars at all, they are supposed to be comets and meteors. So I was lied to at an early age, and now I do not trust anything they tell me about space.

The entire education system is flawed and teaches outright lies from an early age. However, children don't understand the concept that a "shooting star" is just a rock burning up in the atmosphere.

Originally posted by magickmaster
Jupiter and Venus are Planets yet they shine bright at night, like stars. I cannot see Mars and I cannot see Saturn, so why can I see Venus and Jupiter?

Because they move around the sun? And so do we? And we aren't always in the same place? You can see Mars from Earth at certain points of the year. Same goes for Saturn, and Mercury... should I go on?

Originally posted by magickmaster
If a star shines because it's burning off energy, and planets are not, then why do Venus and Jupiter shine bright like stars?

Reflected light? The same reason our moon shines at night?

Originally posted by magickmaster
If you tell me they are reflecting light, then what is it about them, that causes them to light up at night, by reflecting light? Do they have mirrors all over the surface or something?

I'm not trying to be mean but.. seriously? Why does your wall reflect light when you turn on a lamp? Or your rug? Or YOU for that matter? Things have reflective properties. I'm not going to get into the whole physics of reflective properties.

Originally posted by magickmaster
Next....I see flashes of light shoot across the night sky and i'm told they are meteors burning up as they enter our atmosphere. How come some meteors burn up and others do not and actually impact the earth? How come more do not impact the earth, since I can see them almost every night, and that's just in my little quadrant of the sky?

Some impact the earth because they don't get completely burnt up on entry. It also depends upon their composition. Up to 4 billion meteoroids fall to Earth everyday.

Originally posted by magickmaster
Are they actually meteors or comets? Or are we seeing visible light reflections of spacecraft flying by at high speeds? Are some of them lightcrafts?

They are called meteoroids when they are in space. When they enters the atmosphere, impact pressure causes the body to heat up and emit light, thus forming a fireball, also known as a meteor or shooting star. If a comet hit the earth, we wouldn't be sitting here typing.

Originally posted by magickmaster
Those are just a few of my questions about space and the stars. Do other people ever have these questions and wonder about these things?

If you are a scientist, please explain these things in your most understandable way. Is it that I just do not understand science very well? Or are these reasonable questions at all?

It's fine to have questions. And asking questions is good. But when I read the title of this post, stating that there is some "conspiracy" over stars and planets, and you are posting the "truth".. I get a little heated.

All of this stuff is simple Astronomy.

Venus could in theory put off a little light of it's own, although it doesn't really glow like a star. It has lightning so lightning creates light. Whether we could see this from earth is doubtful. Jupiter is a gas giant and it could probably glow under the right conditions. Sometimes gasses can glow. This won't be noticeable from earth well, maybe from a big telescope or something. I don't know if any other planets have this capability, maybe the rings of Saturn could give off lights, but it would be dependent on it's position.

A shooting star and a satellite burning up in reentry do share some similarities sometimes.

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They are called shootinfpg stars because that's what they were called before we knew what they were, you weren't lied to, you were told their name. When their are in space their are asteroids, only upon entering the atmosphere do they become "meteors". Some burn up and others don't for 2 reasons, reason 1 is size, large ones don't have enough time to be entirely "burned" up as they are to large, others don't burn up because of their composition, rock burns easier than iron, iron is the most common composition that we find of the ones that hit the ground.

Planets don't "create light" for. The most part, some actually do, for example jupiter, that outputs 2 times more energy than it recieves from the sun, as it is a failed star, it just never got big enough to lite the fuze. Mars and venus are quite visible and merly reflect light from the sun. It is nothing special, it is the same reason that you can see you in the mirror, or your car or your dog, reflected light.

Of special note- just because it is night here, doesn't mean the sun went out or got dark, we are on a giant ball that spins, when it is dark in north america, it is day in asia and australia and vise versa.

I can answer almost any astronomy questions you have, about any know celestial objects or phenomena, just pm me, or make a thread and ask like this one, and myself or many other knowledgable members will be glad to inform yhou of the workings involved.

One question, were you raised in an amash home or some other religious fundementalist group? Not trying to offend, I just have a friend who didn't know these things either, because he grew up amish, and they don't teach this stuff there, like they do in mst modern public schools.

People have got to admit, it's more entertaining than watching a video of a fake dragon being sliced up by some Chinese dude, and listening to the debate about whether it's a real dragon or not. Right?

Originally posted by Destinyone
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I fail to understand how you would fathom the idea of space craft flying by and reflecting light, but not all the easily accessible scientific evidence of our solar system....do you think the earth is flat too...

Des

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Easy Des....I just learned this week that there is in fact a following of humans who truly due still think the earth is flat.

SOURcE

I couldnt believe it myself!

Originally posted by phantomjack

Easy Des....I just learned this week that there is in fact a following of humans who truly due still think the earth is flat.

SOURcE

I couldnt believe it myself!

Holy jeez. That is crazy! Well... honestly I shouldn't be shocked. Some people in this world just want to plug their ears and believe what they want to.. insane.

I have a hard time believing that Jupiter, 360 Million miles away from earth, reflects the sun, and appears bright as it does, when the moon in contrast is 238,000 miles away. It makes sense to me that the moon would reflect some light from the sun, and we could see it here on earth. It does NOT make sense that Jupiter could be as bright as it is at night, and science claims it's from the reflection of sunlight. I do not believe it so easily.

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I also question how many people dies in the holocaust. I'm pretty stupid huh?
I went to school on ATS Forums.

Not a real good place to find the truth lol.

Truth is not subjective, a persons opinion on any subject is just that. However we have processes and laws which are demonstrable like gravity, the speed of light, and evolution. These are things that through observation we have confirmed, albeit there is room for error, but the margin of error which exists is so small that any new information that could come to light would be of little importance to the overall theory. Its not like we are going to wake up one day and find out that interdimensional sentient insects are pushing things down to the earth instead of gravity.

People have got to admit, it's more entertaining than watching a video of a fake dragon being sliced up by some Chinese dude, and listening to the debate about whether it's a real dragon or not. Right?

Both are entertaining...

Originally posted by phantomjack

Originally posted by Destinyone
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I fail to understand how you would fathom the idea of space craft flying by and reflecting light, but not all the easily accessible scientific evidence of our solar system....do you think the earth is flat too...

Des

edit on 24-9-2012 by Destinyone because: (no reason given)

Easy Des....I just learned this week that there is in fact a following of humans who truly due still think the earth is flat.

SOURcE

I couldnt believe it myself!

Yes...these people are part of the missing link, in humanity. I do not agree with them, but the idea that they question this stuff, with lots of their own science to back it up, means they are passionate about their questioning of science. They do not do it to bother people, they genuinely believe it.

I believe in the Hollow Earth theories, as a possibility, but some will argue it's impossible. Those people believe there is a central sun inside the earth at the center. Some argue that the idea that the earth revolves around the sun came from the idea of the inner earth sun. It's very interesting.

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What's wrong in believing the world is flat? Do we need to know it is a ball to live our life out here on earth? I have probably gone six months without even referencing the knowledge that the earth was a sphere, I'm still alive. If I was never told it was a sphere I would have still been able to work a job and hunt and fish. I could cook dinner and wash the dishes. Does it even matter that we know this?

Originally posted by rickymouse
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What's wrong in believing the world is flat?

Do we need to know it is a ball to live our life out here on earth?

I have probably gone six months without even referencing the knowledge that the earth was a sphere, I'm still alive. If I was never told it was a sphere I would have still been able to work a job and hunt and fish. I could cook dinner and wash the dishes. Does it even matter that we know this?

It's a lot more fun to debate it, than to know it.

Originally posted by magickmaster
Are any of you out there skeptical that stars are actually stars and planets are actually planets?

There have been some good responses so far in this thread from other ATS members.

As suggested previously, it's easy to see for yourself that planets for example move in the sky over the course of a year as would be predicted and expected for a planet orbiting our sun, if you make careful observations with a telescope.

Not everyone takes for granted what they are told/taught - thousands of amateur astronomers around the world make regular observations that confirm that what we are told is true. If you don't believe it, research the subject/subjects you are interested in and try it for yourself.

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I have a hard time believing that Jupiter, 360 Million miles away from earth, reflects the sun, and appears bright as it does, when the moon in contrast is 238,000 miles away. It makes sense to me that the moon would reflect some light from the sun, and we could see it here on earth. It does NOT make sense that Jupiter could be as bright as it is at night, and science claims it's from the reflection of sunlight. I do not believe it so easily.

Then you need to reevaluate how you observe reality because obviously you refuse to do so logically. (No offense)

The reason Jupiter reflects sunlight is because everything does (save black holes), and the reason Jupiter is so bright to us is because it is the largest planet in the solar system, its over 11x the size of our planet, and its still not brighter than Venus I believe because Venus is closer to us.

if we was on jupiters surface looking at the sun,how big do you think the sun would be?
in our sky ,the sun is quite small to look at..
i think the sun would be a dot in the sky if stood on the surface of jupiter..would the sun really make jupiter light up ?

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Well I see that you and I weren't the only ones suprised by that thread about the flat earth society. I know personally I was blown away, they were even mostly western educated types, some with degrees. I couldn't believe what my eyes were showing me.

Star for you, it does go to show, that common knowledge is not so common as we were led to believe.

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So true, it does make conversation.

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Yes, this is a good response. I am not an astronomer, but I may become an amateur astronomer. I have quite an interest in it, but not much background. I like the fact that we have better and better technology for this.

They aren't really planets that orbit the sun. Planets is just a word that we assigned to them.

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Well there does seem to be some debate about which of these so called "planets" put off their own light and which do not, which have clouds that reflect light and which do not, and which of them have gases around them which reflect light and which do not. I think some scientists are still confused a little.

Didn't we just reclassify Pluto recently?
It WAS a planet, and now it's not, right?
It was a planet for hundreds of years or something, and all of the sudden, it's no longer a "planet". Makes me wonder about what else they will change their mind about.


Pluto Not a Planet, Astronomers Rule
Mason Inman
for National Geographic News
August 24, 2006 (Updated 3:30 p.m. ET)

Pluto has been voted off the island.

The distant, ice-covered world is no longer a true planet, according to a new definition of the term voted on by scientists today.

"Whoa! Pluto's dead," said astronomer Mike Brown, of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, as he watched a Webcast of the vote. "There are finally, officially, eight planets in the solar system."
news.nationalgeographic.com...