Explaining the whole darned "human comedy".

According to mental health professionals, and the internet, I'm a crazy person. According to "the Internet" I am a depressed, narcissistic, borderline personality with moderate, to severe schizophrenia.

I can tell you this, I am not crazy. Nothing is real, I'm here to assure you that realizing you are immortal, as a soul, and that your personal energy and thoughts will live forever in the undying universe that is collective consciousness. Everything and anything that someone has ever thought, or felt, mentally or physically, brings something into reality. That is the reality of humanities conscious mind and where we get our feelings from. The human mind, realizing that and understanding that nothing you are seeing is really there and everything is a lie, is the realist fiction of reality that you can possibly ever comprehend. Your vision of reality is only based on what you accept to see as "reality". It's a mass manipulation on a global scale. When humanity, as a whole, realizes that it's all bull#, we will ascend into a new dimension and reality will change drastically. We will all become something of the "past". Our consciouses will neglect our past and only envision the love, peace, and understanding that humanity and life had to offer, if we dig down into the core of our immortal soul of humanities collective conscious.

But the Internet tells me that I'm crazy.

Cool post. But, are thoughts real or not? Is the life of future ascension any more real than the present illusion?

You started with nothing is real then said thoughts create reality. Which is it?

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i think it is more of a anything can be real to anyone but that same idea may not resonate with another consciousness in the same way making it unreal or real but different to them based on there perception of said thing.

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Nothing is real and thoughts create reality. The answer is both. The insanity of it is that every answer is the truth when you dig deep enough. Everything is a contradiction unto itself. There really is no right or wrong. When you really consider all possibilities, they are all possible answers to the question at hand. Nothing is for certain. Even mathematics. They are considered golden as far as facts are concerned, but that's just in this reality. If you look at them from another, unseeable to our reality, it could be completely different. It's all up to how you envision things in your own mind. This is why the mathematical laws of physics are always being rewritten and challenged. If a human mind wants to make something happen, given enough effort and wherewithal, it will.

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I tend to like that type of philosophy.

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People say mind over matter is bull#. They say "look at Stephen Hawking. If mind could overcome matter, he wouldn't be what he is today." I say, he may be a brilliant man who understands more than I ever possibly could, but he looks at the bottom line wrong. He lives in numbers and the crushing reality of what we have made our collective human reality what it is today. He doesn't consider the "impossible" to be possible. You have to think outside the box and realize that there is no realization to realizing reality. The universe is too big and too great for me to begin to comprehend what reality is. I just sit here and think about what could be and theorize. I find that taking everything with a grain of salt and that opting to believe that nothing is 100% true leads my person to great things. The problem with humanity is that we accept what we have been spoon fed as the truth.

Overcoming the bull# is the key to overcoming "reality".

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I saw a thing recently, a Hawkings show which I know will put some at unease but I like how he thinks.



Reality appears that it does indeed become altered depending on the observer. Even if it's just enough to notice that difference, without any ability to alter it.

However, my thoughts obsessing for a banana smoothie and a flake, do not represent themselves as tangible realism that I can grab and consume. I have to expend energy to create this. Which, while associated with thought, does not imply that with my thoughts alone I create banana smoothies with flakes.

Or I'd be either obscenely obese, or filthy wealthy. Usually they go hand in hand however.

I hear a lot of misconceptions about the tangibility of reality given only our thoughts to create it. Hogwash. What people are really saying is "My thoughts define who I am as an individual and separate from every other individual on this planet." and nothing more. Your thoughts create your perception of reality.

Even if you spend your entire waking life investing your own emotional value into others in need, or share your soul in any way, there is still part of you that is defined only as you. And as egotistical humans, we assume that it is greater than anything else. It's bigger than any mountain, deeper than any sea, it's what you hold onto as you die.

It's not a tree in the wilderness. Or a single hand clapping. Nor is it emptiness of the mind, clear of thought.. It's that selfish little nugget of ego. Without it, you are nothing.

Not without your thoughts... even a child born with merely a cerebral cortex to facilitate breathing and heart function, is alive. What thoughts are there to create that reality? A tree planted in a desert may still thrive, despite being gnarled and deformed.

The human comedy relies on the punchline. Sooner or later we all die, and oh what a noise some of us make in between that and being born.

lol

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then by that line of thinking would not over coming the bull# mean realizing there is no bull# to overcome and to just perceive reality the way you want it to be ?

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Well the impossible is IMPOSSIBLE right? Hence we've actually created a word that indicates the negative aspect of the possibility of certain things.

We could still be figuring out fire if we did that. "It was hot the last 5000 times, maybe this time it might possibly feel like a block of ice!"

The line has to be clear where logic ends and fantasy begins. Not blurred by random want. If a crack emerges, then investigate. But if all you do is look for cracks, and ignore everything else.. you're as nutty as a religious nut looking for god in a bunch of flowers.

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but when thinking in this kind of manner the flame may be hot all 5000 times you test or was it only hot the first time and your subconscious took that information and connected it to that event then making you perceive it as hot from that point forward .

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That was greatness.

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Yes. That's exactly what I mean. Am I right? Not at all. Am I wrong? Nope. A walking contradictin? Yes, as are we all.

Originally posted by DistractAndConquer
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but when thinking in this kind of manner the flame may be hot all 5000 times you test or was it only hot the first time and your subconscious took that information and connected it to that event then making you perceive it as hot from that point forward .

Exactly! I think!

So then are we testing the veracity of reality itself, or our fundamental reliability to gauge what our surroundings are? Given we've been around a long time, I'd hope the latter is true.

I mean, if reality was such that every 5000'th time you walked on dry land that you drowned, we'd have never made it beyond coming up for air every 40 minutes to clear our blow holes.

I doubt there is some massive technology hive mind reality setup that plugs our brains into it in order to exist via extension as a god in our limited sensatory bubbles. And I doubt that as random as life is, it's so random that we cannot affirm chance to a set, apply it to nature and see similarities. We do and can. All the time.

5001 may be the cold ice of random conflagration or all 5000 may have been illogical conclusions to ensure we do not break down in some sort of global mass checksum error - but it's not going to occur unless I ingest copious amounts of cosmos engulfing buttons, OR suddenly reality loses cohesion and .. well thats going back to option 1 again if you ask me

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I agree. I never said I was sane. I pointed out the contrary from the beginning. I have a certain way of thinking that contradicts itself at every point possible. This is my ego. This is your ego. To say you know anything is the wrong answer, yet I know that you know things. As do I. But who is right? Not I. Not you. Are the masses? Is Dr. Hawking?

No. We're all ignorant and floating around in our minds. Our minds are the key to eternity. Our mind begins at electrical impulses that make it all possible.

I said from the start that I'm an alleged basketcase. I'm just throwing my thoughts out there and getting other people's oninions on it. Thank you for your input! I realize that any offer of an explanation to existence is bat# crazy and I'm not claiming to have the keys to the truth. Just throwing alternate possibilities out there.

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oddly enough i feel that at this point because of all the variables that have been plugged into this that we call reality that in order to make that fire feel different on the 5000 and first test that the mass perception of fire would have to be forgotten stricken from memory of all that had contact with it in essence making a new and untested thing basically a new experience but then we would not know it was different after all

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They say I'm pretty odd up there in the brain department also. Well, my psychologist says I'm perfectly normal. I don't pay her either, so she's not after gratuities. As normal as a mental basket can be I'm sure she writes down on her pad each visit.

So those labels alone are almost meaningless - I do know instability when I see it however, not in this thread though.

I actually find it refreshing to see your opinion. It's there but without the emphasis on pushing a point. If only every thread on ATS were as sublime. So many ships of thought either try to leave or enter the same port at once, it gets awkward to distinguish others intent. Good to see that not always the case!

I'm the guiltiest part of all I am first to admit, when it comes to occasionally leaping to a conclusion based on what I infer is the intent of someone. So apologies if I did seem off standish a little.

let the mad people unite. The sanity has gone on long enough. And we're all doomed because of it. What can it hurt to see crazy take over for a while I say!

Originally posted by DistractAndConquer
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oddly enough i feel that at this point because of all the variables that have been plugged into this that we call reality that in order to make that fire feel different on the 5000 and first test that the mass perception of fire would have to be forgotten stricken from memory of all that had contact with it in essence making a new and untested thing basically a new experience but then we would not know it was different after all

All it takes in innocence. A baby has not/cannot be told how to interpret fire. It just does. Painful.

It won't be prepared to test fire 4999 times more, it will know the difference between not putting it's hand in fire and willingly doing so.

If the child is not challenged in any way, it will learn from it's own observation.

I guess we're actually talking about what things we have a choice to learn about, as opposed to things we're told at face value are true.

That's where we need to be aware... you can be led astray by both sides if you are not careful.

One's full of status quo rhetoric that is worded to make you feel stupid for questioning it. The other is full of questions that make you feel stupid if you try to word it.

The middle ground can be awkward too. But only because, as with every aspect of society, there are people vested in making you see an extreme point of view. Extremity often leads, especially in a cold environment, to amputation of the extremity.

I trust my observations. So far. I see where I know things are askew, but I make no bold claims. I observe... I doubt many people have ever stood by their accusations unless they had observed enough to know better. At least not when things come up against public scrutiny.

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The way I've been trying to live lately is basically this:

I expose myself to a wide range of ideas and viewpoints, from many different topics. Science, math, philosophy, politics, economics, business, self development, psychology, history, and of course the fringe beliefs on this website....

Take in the ideas, make no conclusion, and try to avoid attachment as much as possible. But, always observant to what generates the most initial agreement.

Edit: Which more than else, is usually the belief in God.

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I try to live my life almost the exact same way, the biggest difference between us is that when I see something that is socially accepted as fact or truth I do what I can to deconstruct it and find its flaws and contradictions on levels not thought of by most.

I can't discredit these things or credit them. I always look with an open mind and accept nothing.

I look to the "truth" for answers, but mostly I find myself wondering why these things are so accepted as truths. No one can tell me why anything is. That's why I ponder the reality of our reality at all times. I accept everything and nothing at once and continuously contradict myself and everyone else.

I feel like if I was to KNOW what I think is really going on, I would close myself off to the truth behind the truth of what is really happening. I gladly contradict all thought.

True knowledge lies in the knowledge of ignorance and questioning. Never be sure. Once you are sure, there will always be someone to pop up and tell you the reasons you are wrong.

The truth is out there.

But we will never be able to understand it.

Edit: which more than else is usually the disbelief in god.

Originally posted by SuperSeaver
According to mental health professionals, and the internet, I'm a crazy person. According to "the Internet" I am a depressed, narcissistic, borderline personality with moderate, to severe schizophrenia.

Let's see.

I can tell you this, I am not crazy.

Well, if you are narcissistic, borderline and schizophrenic, then you claiming that is not surprising even if you were ill. So in this case, I don't think you "can tell" us this.

Nothing is real,

Actually, quite a lot of things are real. We couldn't have science without things being real.

I'm here to assure you that realizing you are immortal, as a soul, and that your personal energy and thoughts will live forever in the undying universe that is collective consciousness.

There is no such thing as a "soul", and therefore it can't be immortal either.

Everything and anything that someone has ever thought, or felt, mentally or physically, brings something into reality.

Yes, that is correct. Or well, it "impacts" the universe anyhow.

That is the reality of humanities conscious mind and where we get our feelings from. The human mind, realizing that and understanding that nothing you are seeing is really there and everything is a lie, is the realist fiction of reality that you can possibly ever comprehend.

Okay, here we might see some of the diagnoses you mentioned.

Your vision of reality is only based on what you accept to see as "reality". It's a mass manipulation on a global scale. When humanity, as a whole, realizes that it's all bull#, we will ascend into a new dimension and reality will change drastically.

And it continues here.

We will all become something of the "past". Our consciouses will neglect our past and only envision the love, peace, and understanding that humanity and life had to offer, if we dig down into the core of our immortal soul of humanities collective conscious.

And here.

But the Internet tells me that I'm crazy.

As do mental health professionals.