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I can NOT blame the Mexican for coming here in fact I hardly ever did. I have had my moments but I always recant to say " I'd do the same exact thing if I were them ".
Originally posted by wylekat
reply to post by randyvs
We're talk'in hate here tho
Actually, we're talking about the hated (people like me) who have about had a gutful of being treated like this- in their own home, yet.
If I came into your home, wailed about my ex g/f (my reason for being there)- ate your food, drank your drinks, tried to get your SO into bed when you werent looking, got you fired, and then GOT your job,tried to get you kicked out of your house, left a mess everywhere, sold your kid on ebay, and then grilled your dog- how would *you* feel?
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by AngryAlien
Mexico.
Isn't part of the United States. At least not yet.
Seriously you would do the same? You would go to another country undocumented, fraudulently forge gov. documents in order to obtain free medical, free food, housing subsistence, free education, etc...force citizens of that country to pay your way even though they are struggling to make ends meet? You don't see any moral and ethical problem with those actions, you would do the same?
YOU SUCK RACIST AMERICANS BECAUSE YOU HATE IMMIGRANTS GO BACK TO EUROPE YOU SUCK AMERICANS!
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by mtnshredder
Seriously you would do the same? You would go to another country undocumented, fraudulently forge gov. documents in order to obtain free medical, free food, housing subsistence, free education, etc...force citizens of that country to pay your way even though they are struggling to make ends meet? You don't see any moral and ethical problem with those actions, you would do the same?
Do you know of one ? But you fail to mention one thing. Our gov. has invited them. So I would say yes in that case.
If it would give my kid a better life ? In a heartbeat.
Originally posted by rubbertramp
ok, so, i'd like to take a minute to explain my problem with the illegal issue.
for years i used to run heavy equipment here in the southwest.
i used to make 34 plus an hour considering overtime.
the going rate now is about 12 to 15 an hour and many of these jobs are taken by illegals.
i've walked on to job sites and been told straight up that, 'well, that's all we pay, if you don't want it an illegal will be happy to get the job for that pay.
people need to realize that the myth of illegals working for 5 bucks an hour is just that, a myth.
the average construction worker, illegal, is making to 15 bucks an hour.
one with tools and a background will make even more.
a good cook easily makes over 12.
melon pickers in areas like wenden, az, start at 12 bucks an hour.
it kinda' irks me that people think these guys work as cheap as most think.
those who hire them save the money in workmans comp and other ways so they can easily pay a decent wage and still save save save over hiring someone on the books.
would it piss anyone off if i mentioned that an illegal foreman who knows what he is doing makes upward of 25 bucks an hour?edit on 24-9-2012 by rubbertramp because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jhn7537
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by mtnshredder
Seriously you would do the same? You would go to another country undocumented, fraudulently forge gov. documents in order to obtain free medical, free food, housing subsistence, free education, etc...force citizens of that country to pay your way even though they are struggling to make ends meet? You don't see any moral and ethical problem with those actions, you would do the same?
Do you know of one ? But you fail to mention one thing. Our gov. has invited them. So I would say yes in that case.
If it would give my kid a better life ? In a heartbeat.
So you have zero problem committing crimes if it gives your kid a better life?? wow... And screw all the hardworking people who will be forced to support your kids because you're a dead beat parent...(not you personally, but those who come here illegally bleeding this country dry)....
reply to post by Night Star
What a lot of people do not realize is how many of our legal citizens have fallen through the cracks. People think if you are poor, you can just go on welfare and be taken care of. Do you have any idea how many people make a doller or two above the poverty limit and recieve no help whatsoever because they are considered above the poverty limit???? That one dollar is not going to pay for medical or even a jug of milk.
Do you know of one ?
I know many, been working around illegals for 30+ yrs.
Our gov. has invited them.
Ok, lets say that's true. So hypothetically you think it's ok to steal, lie and take advantage of someone that has invited you to their house for dinner? Please don't don't tell me it's not the same, because that's exactly what a large majority of illegals are doing to the citizens of this country. Frankly I'm sick and tired of seeing them abuse and take from this country without a care in the world for the welfare of this country or it's citizens. It's cowardly and unethical.
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Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Night Star
What a lot of people do not realize is how many of our legal citizens have fallen through the cracks. People think if you are poor, you can just go on welfare and be taken care of. Do you have any idea how many people make a doller or two above the poverty limit and recieve no help whatsoever because they are considered above the poverty limit???? That one dollar is not going to pay for medical or even a jug of milk.
Well, I do suffer a conscience. Now that you mention it in those words. I do have to wonder about a person like that.
Seems you would have to weigh each individual case.
Good point!
So you have zero problem committing crimes if it gives your kid a better life?? wow... And screw all the hardworking people who will be forced to support your kids because you're a dead beat parent...(not you personally, but those who come here illegally bleeding this country dry)....
It's cowardly and unethical.
Originally posted by Night Star
Originally posted by jhn7537
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by mtnshredder
Seriously you would do the same? You would go to another country undocumented, fraudulently forge gov. documents in order to obtain free medical, free food, housing subsistence, free education, etc...force citizens of that country to pay your way even though they are struggling to make ends meet? You don't see any moral and ethical problem with those actions, you would do the same?
Do you know of one ? But you fail to mention one thing. Our gov. has invited them. So I would say yes in that case.
If it would give my kid a better life ? In a heartbeat.
So you have zero problem committing crimes if it gives your kid a better life?? wow... And screw all the hardworking people who will be forced to support your kids because you're a dead beat parent...(not you personally, but those who come here illegally bleeding this country dry)....
To that I would like to add...How would you feel randyvs, if you were having all your needs met in your new adopted country through deciet, while many of the legal people of that country are having to choose between life saving medicine or food?
What a lot of people do not realize is how many of our legal citizens have fallen through the cracks. People think if you are poor, you can just go on welfare and be taken care of. Do you have any idea how many people make a doller or two above the poverty limit and recieve no help whatsoever because they are considered above the poverty limit???? That one dollar is not going to pay for medical or even a jug of milk.
edit on 24-9-2012 by Night Star because: (no reason given)
I think there is more resentment and disrespect for the illegals than hate. We are very generous people, but enough is enough.
And since they get paid under the table many of them make more than I did when I worked at wal mart but they still get help because the country thinks they have no income, it's also funny that I can't go work under the table and try to get help as a white and a legal citizen if they ever find out I could go to prison! I could try but it would be called tax evasion and welfare fraud...(if I didn't 1099) go figure...but aside from that they can and do file taxes with stolen identity and still they don't pay in most of them get back and on top of that earned income credits for children so they if they did pay in on stolen ID they get more back than they did paid in and will claim head of household even if their partner is in the home and claim all the bills even though fifty of them share the bills. It's really fraudulent to the max.