Israel dismisses nuke-free Mideast summit; U.S. warns against Iran strike

Well it appears the hypocrites in power in Israel are up to their old tricks by refusing to acknowledge any investigation/criticism of their nuclear program while they continue to purse their propaganda campaign aimed towards Iran's nuclear program.

Israel will not attend a conference on creating a Middle East free of nuclear weapons scheduled to take place in Finland, the head of Israel’s Atomic Energy Commission (IAEC) has said, as U.S. warned that some Arab states could annul their peace treaties with Israel in case of an attack on Iran’s nuclear sites.

Speaking at a meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna on Wednesday, IAEC chief Shaul Horev said the situation in the Middle East was not yet “conducive” to the creation of a nuclear weapons-free zone.

english.alarabiya.net...

The Israeli government is really isolating itself with this approach as they are showing the world that they are hypocrites that should not be taken seriously. They won't even attend the summit and are now risking the annunlment of peace treaties with their regional neighbors. And they are also creating a distance between their main ally the United States, even though I believe this tough talk from the United States is nothing more than election time theatrics as most of us are aware that no matter who wins the election there will most likely be a strike on Iran shortly after, if not before.

So as Israel continues to parrot baseless claims against Iran, they are also being subjected to international criticism on their nuclear program. Here are a few examples...

Israel angered over IAEA vote on nuclear arsenal

UN General Assembly Passes 9 Resolutions Against Israel

Muslim nations demand Israel open its nuke program to IAEA viewing

Now that I have provided a few examples of the hypocrite ways from the leaders of israel, let's take a brief look at Mordechai Vanunu who was one of the main pioneers when it comes to exposing Israel's nuclear weapons program.



And here are some videos that discuss some of the evidence on the Israeli nuclear weapons program and their facilities. I wonder where on earth Israel finds the audacity to criticize any other nation on this issue.







I have said it before, and I will say it again...I am sick of Israel's hypocrite ways when it comes to the whole Middle East nuclear issue.

Any one else agree?

reply to post by Corruption Exposed

Any one else agree?

I agree that they need to shut up. But I don't consider them hypocrites. In my opinion, other countries in the Middle East are hypocrites.

Israel has a clear desire to stop and halt any threat coming from the outside, and debates aside, people might not like that attitude, but at least they are consistent about it.

The whole region is filled with countries who do not follow - or even care about - IAEA, NPT's or chemical weapons treaties. They think it's a western thing, so they only follow the rules to the point it most interests them. That's why I consider them hypocrites, and not Israel. Being a hypocrite, to me, is a country that ignores and mocks international agreements when they have agreed to follow them, and then when it suits them, they go knocking on those agreements and agencies door, complaining about countries who haven't even signed it.

Israel is quite annoying with the constant talk about threats and the sort of policy that follows it. But in order to call them hypocrites, you would have to forget and ignore all the actions made by countries in the Middle East.

They - Israel - have decided to stand alone on those issues. They refused to sign the NPT, and they refused to be an active part of the IAEA. People can't pin on them responsibilities that they haven't signed, and you can't put countries like Iran and Israel on the same debate level - talking about nuclear weapons - because one is not a part of either treaty, and Iran is.

If Israel had signed the NPT and the IAEA, then yeah... They would be full of it up to their noses.

However, I must also note that if Israel wants to tell other countries what to do, they should get involved in the NPT and IAEA. If they truly want a peaceful and stable region, being a full member of the IAEA and the NPT would give them the credibility to talk down on other countries.

I have doubts about Iran, and personally, I don't trust them. I think their rhetoric is quite pathetic. But Israel also needs to man up, come clean, and join the treaties that 99% of the world is part of...

Don't you guys get it?
If I$rael or anybody else in the region didn't have nuclear weapons/programs, there wouldn't be anything to whine or complain about.
When there's nothing to whine or complain about, I$rael is no longer a victim.
When I$rael is no longer the victim, they don't get paid.
When I$rael doesn't get paid, neither do the US politicians who support them (campaign contributions, outsourcing/contractual agreements etc)

reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy


I agree that pretty much every other country in the region are hypocrites as well but that does not give Israel the moral high ground to possess these weapons. The fact that they act as if they are not to be subjected to the same standards as the other countries in the region just grinds my gears and makes it impossible to take them seriously.

Yes many of the surrounding countries may be considered unstable, but Israel is no Saint either as I have heard you acknowledge in the past so I'm not implying that you are blindly defending Israel as this clearly is not the case.

It appears to me that our opinions may differ on the intentions of certain regimes in the area. I know that Israel never signed on to the NPT and it really aggravates me when people use this as justification for Israel not allowing any inspections. I could go on for ever about the information in your post as it was very informative it's just that my main point is that Israel expects the world to take them seriously while they act like a spoiled brat that are above the law that they expect other nations to adhere to.

ETA:

Did you change your avatar? It looks different...or maybe I'm just out of it today

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
~snip~

I wonder where on earth Israel finds the audacity to criticize any other nation on this issue.
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Probably the same place they obtained their land rights. ^

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I have said it before, and I will say it again...I am sick of Israel's hypocrite ways when it comes to the whole Middle East nuclear issue.

Any one else agree?

Yep, pretty much.

reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy

Israel has a clear desire to stop and halt any threat coming from the outside, and debates aside, people might not like that attitude, but at least they are consistent about it.

Did you ever stop to think if it weren't for Israel's ethnic cleansing land theft and constant starting of wars then maybe it wouldn't have threats coming from the outside. Israel cries about Hamas but ever stops to say maybe we shouldn't have created them in the first place. Israel cries about Hezbollah but never considers that Hezbollah was created to counter their attack and illegal occupation of Lebanon. Israel labels Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist but in truth they are freedom fighters fighting against a terrorist nation that has invaded their lands.

Here is another article covering the news:

Summit on nuclear-free Mideast unrealistic: Israel

It covers most of the information from the original article in my OP but it does shed a different perspective on the situation for those who are interested.

Here is another article that I find to be relevant to the situation.

Remembering Hiroshima: Four survivors bring message to the Middle East

Nobuo Miaki arrived in Israel with three other survivors to warn against the horror of nuclear weapons, all nuclear weapons, whether Iranian or Israeli.

I doubt the Israeli government paid them much attention though.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed

I agree that pretty much every other country in the region are hypocrites as well but that does not give Israel the moral high ground to possess these weapons.

Well, I do agree with that. That's why I often said that, if Israel wants to be an active participant in the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, or be an active player in preventing other countries from achieving that capability, then they also have to sign the same agreements that everyone else (NPT + IAEA).

The fact that they act as if they are not to be subjected to the same standards as the other countries in the region just grinds my gears and makes it impossible to take them seriously.

That's the annoying part of it. They aren't actually subjected to the same standards because they haven't signed the agreements, like India and Pakistan.

However, it's worth noting that neither Pakistan nor India rant about other countries for having or developing nuclear weapons. They made a choice of not being participants of the NPT, so they have taken that responsibility seriously and keep silent about other nations decisions.

Israel should either follow the same philosophy, or join the NPT/IAEA.

Yes many of the surrounding countries may be considered unstable, but Israel is no Saint either as I have heard you acknowledge in the past so I'm not implying that you are blindly defending Israel as this clearly is not the case.

I believe Israel has a valid motivation for their attitudes, and I think it's a subject so complex and vast that it's hard to pinpoint blame, at least, with certainty.

But I also share the idea that Israel often uses over-aggressive tactics. They state there are good reasons for that, but I'm an apologist of peace, and maybe giving peace a chance, instead of retaliation, would be a good idea.

It appears to me that our opinions may differ on the intentions of certain regimes in the area. I know that Israel never signed on to the NPT and it really aggravates me when people use this as justification for Israel not allowing any inspections.

It's true.

But to be fair, it's also frustrating to see people defending Iran with subjective arguments, while they are obligated by the NPT and IAEA to comply.

Maybe if people realized this - from both sides - the back-and-forward exchange of arguments and accusations could be put aside, and a real solution could be found.

I could go on for ever about the information in your post as it was very informative it's just that my main point is that Israel expects the world to take them seriously while they act like a spoiled brat that are above the law that they expect other nations to adhere to.

Yes, but with that, I agree with you. Israel does need to refrain from certain rhetoric's and actions.

They did have a solid and credible voice in the world stage, but they are the only ones to blame for losing such credibility. I've often used the example of Peter and the Wolf, in which Israel is the childish Peter, and the wolf is the threat they keep mentioning.

It's funny that the story actually describes the situation in a very simple manner. While Peter describes the attitude of Israel, the wolf is a fair representation of the possible threats that might appear - a threat that doesn't clearly exist, but it's plausible. Following the conclusion that IF such threat appears, Peter takes the chance of nobody believing in him, when he is stating the truth.

Did you change your avatar? It looks different...or maybe I'm just out of it today

Yes, I did change it.

I'm a huge fan of the game Mass Effect, and I was using the "Earth Alliance" logo as my avatar, with the same background. It relates to an Earth (in the game) where countries and nations no longer exist and humanity is in a stage of unity, an awesome and technology-developed Earth where it only matters mankind's best interests, and not governments nor nations.

I assumed that was a beautiful thing, but people here in ATS were throwing crap at me because they believed I was promoting a NWO agenda.

So I changed the avatar to my favorite character in the game: Garrus Vakarian (“It's so much easier to see the world in black and white…. Gray? I don't know what to do with gray….”).

My nickname translates to: Garrus From Normandy.

Normandy:

reply to post by buster2010

Did you ever stop to think if it weren't for Israel's ethnic cleansing land theft and constant starting of wars then maybe it wouldn't have threats coming from the outside.

Did you stop to think that you should try and place yourself in the shoes of Israel, while also having compassion for the Palestine side of the issue?

There was a resolution passed in the UN that established a Israeli state and a Palestine state. The Arab community declared war the following day.

Peace never had a chance. And stating this is not blaming neither Israel nor Palestine/Arab nations.

It's just what it is, and we can't turn back time.

Israel cries about Hamas but ever stops to say maybe we shouldn't have created them in the first place.

Yes, but when Israel was created, the World (the WHOLE world) had sympathy for what the Jewish community had just been through.

I don't agree that Israel should be placed in Jerusalem, despite the arguments for their religious base. In my opinion, a much better solution would be to establish Israel in an area where it wouldn't bother anyone, some desert or isolated area, where they could build their homes, temples, cities, and become an independent nation.

They wouldn't have Jerusalem for them, but they could still travel there because most of the problems in that area come from the existence of Israel. The same way Muslims from across the world make religious trips to Mecca, to praise their religion, despite living thousands of miles away.

Like I have said previously in another thread, Israel was able to produce crops in the desert, and have a very sustainable economy. They could have easily established that elsewhere, and they could even have the aid from the whole world, instead of just the West (mainly).

Israel cries about Hezbollah but never considers that Hezbollah was created to counter their attack and illegal occupation of Lebanon.

Those occupations were a response to attacks. Several territories were occupied after Israel was attacked, like the Syrian-Israel war. Although Israel has spread into those areas through decades, most of those areas were just buffer zones to safeguard an attack. Enemies would have to travel through those areas before hitting Israel, giving them some space to prepare.

However, I don't deny that has been used as an excuse for expansion. Something that even Israeli's consider unfair and immoral.

Israel labels Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist but in truth they are freedom fighters fighting against a terrorist nation that has invaded their lands.

A lot of people were forced to fight invasions and occupations. The most successful people to stop that invasion used peace, instead of violence.

It's very important to declare, for the sake of the truth in the argument, that peace was never a constant in that area, and often, groups that opposed Israel have breached and violated peace and cease-fire agreements.

Here is another related update, it appears that Kuwait has decided to speak out:

Kuwait urges inspection of Israeli nuclear facilities

Poor Israel sure are taking a beating in the public eye

I sense a victim statement to be released very shortly.

"Those darn Anti-Semites"

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed


Poor Israel sure are taking a beating in the public eye

I sense a victim statement to be released very shortly.

"Those darn Anti-Semites"

I see you took another look in the mirror.

Can't blame Israel for not entrusting their very existence to anyone but themselves after what Germany did to them. Paranoid? Yep. Realistic? Yep. Surrounded? Yep.

Originally posted by gravitational

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed


Poor Israel sure are taking a beating in the public eye

I sense a victim statement to be released very shortly.

"Those darn Anti-Semites"

I see you took another look in the mirror.

edit on 21-9-2012 by gravitational because: (no reason given)

Please elaborate, I am unsure of what you mean.

Are you calling me an Anti-Semite?

I'm tired of posting this video but it's often necessary:



You are so predictable that if it wasn't so pathetic, it would be funny.

Is Iran attending the summit?

(my curious face)

reply to post by beezzer


I am currently searching for a list of attendees but so far all I can find are articles discussing Israel's refusal to attend the summit. My guess is that Iran will be attending but this is just speculation on my behalf and has not been confirmed.

Iran will have nothing to gain by not attending since they also have a lot to prove on the public stage due to the constant propaganda that the international community has been bombarded with.

I will keep on searching and add any updates if I can find a list of attendees.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by beezzer

 

I am currently searching for a list of attendees but so far all I can find are articles discussing Israel's refusal to attend the summit. My guess is that Iran will be attending but this is just speculation on my behalf and has not been confirmed.

Iran will have nothing to gain by not attending since they also have a lot to prove on the public stage due to the constant propaganda that the international community has been bombarded with.

I will keep on searching and add any updates if I can find a list of attendees.

So as of right now, the answer is no.

reply to post by beezzer

"This announcement was made on Wednesday in Vienna during a meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) by the director of the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, Shaul Horev," spokesman Yigal Palmor told AFP.

Horev originally cited the "volatile and hostile situation" in the region in explaining Israel's decision to stay away from the US-backed conference, which is scheduled to take place either later this year or early in 2013.

www.israelnationalnews.com...

The actual date of the conference has not been established so I'm going to guess that the list of attendees has not officially been confirmed either.

Stay tuned...

reply to post by beezzer

So as of right now, the answer is no.

No.

You are wrong.

As of now, we do not know who is attending so to assume who are and are not going would be premature.

The only thing that can be confirmed is that Israel WILL NOT be attending.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by beezzer

 

So as of right now, the answer is no.

No.

You are wrong.

As of now, we do not know who is attending so to assume who are and are not going would be premature.

The only thing that can be confirmed is that Israel WILL NOT be attending.

Then looking forward to your thread slamming Iran if they don't attend.