Iran official: 'Big war' means Mahdi's coming

Originally posted by samadfallah

Originally posted by DaesDaemar
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Hi, just a question. You say Israel/Zionism, but not Jew. Do Iranians hate the state of Israel and why? We understand there are a quite a few Jews in Iran, are they a problem to Iran or is it really just Zionism and the state of Israel that you hate?

hi,

I don't have much info about them as far as I know we call them (Jews who live in Iran) KALIMI u may know them as Orthodox Jews ... I just know we respect the hell out of them as long as they respect Islam & Islamic republic .

like I said I don't know too much about them .

they also have 1 representative in parliment .

There's no such thing like state of israel ... it's state of palestine that a zionist regim rule over most of it by force and cruelty etc.

Why ?! Is there something that matter ?!

edit on 22-9-2012 by samadfallah because: (no reason given)

I just wanted an understanding of what an Iranian thinks of Jews. I think you cleared that up

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we have the poorest internet services in the world maybe #1

Actually, I think North Korea is number #1, but hey, you're catching up real fast !

Originally posted by truthofnitrous

Originally posted by samadfallah

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
The U.S. has a very good plan. That plan is to wait for Iran's Old Religious Guard to be over thrown by the Massive Iranian Pro-Democracy Movement. The REAL Iranian Military Leadership is right now having Secret Military to Military Talks with the U.S. Military.

The only way for the Old Guard to survive is to cause an incident at sea and Blame Israel and the U.S. The most likely action would be for the Old Guard to Order the Iranian Navy to Block the Strait of Hormuz. The Iranian Navy knows that if they follow this order...they will be OBLITERATED BY THE U.S. NAVY!

The Iranian Navy will STAND DOWN thus giving the Pro-Democracy Movement Military Support. The Air Force will also STAND DOWN and so will the Iranian Army with the exception of ONE DIVISION LOYAL TO THE OLD GUARD. This Division if they attack any U.S. Special Forces or Rangers Dropped in to SEIZE all Iranian Nuclear Sites...will become an EXAMPLE TARGET...much like One Republican Guard Iraqi Division which was DESTROYED by a Wing of B-52's running a Carpet Bombing Mission. 100,000 Men Dead and the next day all Iraqi Army Divisions surrendered. This will most likely occur again. Split Infinity

hi,

u should stop comparing Iran with Iraq .

we're not gonna lose any battle as long as we believe that Allah (our God) is the highest power as long as we tryin' to serve Islam (real islam not bin laden's islam not Saudi Arabia's Islam not UAE's Islam) as long as we respect Imam Mahdi and his family (our Imams) and we do as they order as long as we respect Quran (our holy book) and do as he (it's not just any book it's very especial that u can't imagine) command ...
I just ask one simple question ... why they (US / Israel) don't attack as just threat us all day every day ?
Bcause they fear ... not us ... they fear of Allah ... they had tasted it's (Allah's) revenge ... Zionism I mean .
yet they got no chance but to attack Iran (as the head of resistance line ... that's what we call Iran, Syria & Hizbollah. resistance axis. resistance against ZIONISM the true enemy of people of the world) .
so don't bother tell us what new weapons US is going to use . Cause we've got ALLAH . (I'm pretty sure most of u guys do not understand that)

Oh you got Allah on your side eh. You know what f**k it let the war happen maybe you might learn something about the horrors of war with people dying on both sides. Maybe you'll learn something after the entire mid east including Israel is an entire glass parking lot or better yet the entire world. And yet you call zionism the true enemy of homo sapien sapien? No actually that would be human ignorance stupidity at it's truest form. And now you wonder why the human race can't get their act together. Maybe this war might be a good wake up call to make humanity realize just how ignorant they truly. So go ahead get yourselves blown up because that's all humanity is ever good at. Because I could only dream of humanity to one day reach for the stars in the hopes of discovering the secrets of the universe. Then again it's only a pipedream it ain't even real.

The tower and city in the plains of Shinar were united mankind building their "tower" into the heavens in hope of making a "name" for themselves. Do you understand that those who are building this last tower do NOT yet have the world united under "one language"??? That's symbolic for the same culture, the same religion, the same values and the same Godless dream of conquering the universe in hopes of glorifying man instead of their Creator. I ask, how do the kings of the earth UNITE a divided humanity? By creating war using Islam. Those of Islam idolise the Koran - they see red when it's burned or insulted. They cannot turn the other cheek because their "god" calls for death to the infidels". The kings of the earth know this, they know that a hive of hornets will attack if stirred. Don't you see how our leaders will be able to not only call for a total ban to "fundamentalists" but for a new global value system? They've already shown their hand in the Dali Lama's comments last week. And with your fear and exasperation, you will agree. Mankind, traumatised through war and destruction, will agree to most anything so that he can have that "pipedream of humanity reaching for the stars in hopes of discovering the secrets of the universe". Gosh! That's another tower of Babel ! Guess what happened then? The True God came down. Guess what happens again? The True God comes down.

The kings of the earth are united in their desire. What you have no understanding of is the President of Iran flashes the same hand signs as the leaders of every other country. This is organised, planned and detailed to deceive the survivors. Your comments are EXACTLY the response they expect.

The true god?????????
Ours is the real spirit in the sky and yours is a pretend one? (they are all pretend spirits)
Keys of paradise? Almost as bad as that other spirit in the sky, that let his chosen people be burnt in the ovens. A stone age religion built arround things that people didnt under stand. Hundreds of yeas later we have people following a BOOK that was written by MEN. The bible/koran are made up fairy tale books to control people with. If it was written by god then why did king james ect rewrite it? Rewrite the words of the spirit in the sky? Its full of every kind of perversion and porn ever known to man. What a joke. It should be banned and how you can let children near it I will never know. Oh yes those guys in their black dresses love children. Either molesting their minds or their bodys.
When you have destroyed this world and poisioned it and the seas. I wonder what this true spirit in the sky is going to do? Oh it was a mistake and my children didnt listen to me. So I will wipe them out and start again? Well all I have to say is this spirit in the sky you people have thought up, must be one evil mofo.
Yes lets get it on. The sooner we destroy every one and this planet, the better for all of us.
Such a pity that our inocent women and children have to die, for the madness of these religious nutters.

Originally posted by samadfallah

Originally posted by dominicus
Iranian youth up to early 30'S are actually alot like everyone else, up on the news, trends, fashion, music, adopting various modern cultures and making it their own...... and most importantly they want peace.

When we speak of "Iran" ready for war, let's remember this is referring to the older fundy generations that are there in positions of power.

Oh, I disagree . there's lots of us (Iranian youth) that love peace as much as we love wiping Israel out of the map .

unfortunately we cannot attack israel first ! it's against our religion . but we're waiting for them to attack us then we're allowed to defence ourselves ! sometimes u can defend yourself by attacking your enemies ... u get it !?

don't worry about us . we're gonna be fine . our history is full of situations like this .

This is a perfect example of the prevailing sentiment shared by many Iranians that have been brainwashed by their theocratic, fanatical, suicidal dictatorship. It's not just the old generation as apologists would have you believe.

BTW, as for wanting to wipe Israel off the map...good luck with that. The IDF will turn your archaic, barbaric homeland into a parking lot.

Dear samadfallah,

Thanks for joining our ATS community.

I will take it at face value that you are indeed an Iranian, a devoted Shia and worship Khamenei.

Your english is ok here. No one is perfect anyway. That you can and had made the attempt is good enough.

However there are many fallacies in your post with regards to Islam, economics and even world affairs in general. The insignificant nobody me hope to share with you insights, but doubt if I can change your beliefs of centuries conditioning, but at least I would have tried, with at least one of you, before the unnecessary axe falls, for Allah loves us all.

I am aware that the Mahdi is very central to your persian beliefs, but is not the central belief of the majority. Only prophet Muhammad and his teachings is central to Islam and sunnis. Prophet Muhammad only merely mentioned this man of the future as a wise man with learned capabilities that man will know such knowledge can only come from Allah.

Prophet Muhammad prophecied that the end of days is when a man who shares his name and from his line rules over the arab domains. May you comprehend those words. The clue lays in:-

1. He left no male heir, and women do not inherit or carry their fathers' name and rights, and there were no women's rights then, not even now espacially in Iran where the leaders are hell bent on enslaving women to the kitchen and hidden away, despite the teachings that women were full partners of men even if they have no heirachy male line birth rights.

2. He also said that no man knows the time when the end will come.

Thus from this 2 points, to truly understand what he meant, he is simply telling you no man will know the end time. He knew he left no male line heir, and thus if there is anyone who manages to rule arab domains, it will not be his line and thus will be not end time. Only upon Allah's Will will the end come, and not from any mortal.


Unfortunately, Shias have their own version of the end of days, and that is the Mahdi will appear. By itself it is an apostasy, and against what prophet Muhammad had taught.

That you can believe this Mahdi will rule with justice and kill only infidels and not innocents, and wonder at the kind of weapons possible, shows that you are still capable of rational thought.

There are no such weapons, and if exists, it can only come from Allah if He wishes, and not from any human, including the mortal Mahdi, unless you now blasphemously call the Mahdi a divine messenger when Prophet Muhammad had already said himself was the last one and none would come after him.

True justice can only come from rule of law. And true rule of law can only come from ELECTED Legislatives to discuss, debate and propose such laws into existance, in an honest election, not by some unelected group of senile old men and cronies unaccountable to no man, when prophet Muhammad had appointed NO leader or left any heir to rule, except that men within the nation form an assembly to rule by following the central tenets of moral and ethical guidelines of the Koran, and evolve over time as muslims grow in population and progress.

Iran is no democracy, but ruled by apostate senile old fools with a rubber stamping parliament voted in by a dishonest election. Its' human rights record is ATROCIOUS, and if the TRUE Mahdi were to appear, Iranian leaders will be the first to be judged and be destroyed in order for true justice to be served.

Evil is in their hearts and innocents' blood stained their hands, for they had sought and had slaughtered thousands of innocents by their commands and funding of terrorists around our world. Palestine was but a side issue to distract attention from sunni rage against shias, and Israel made the horrifying punching bag, with thousands of innocents palestinians and jews dead.

This 'comming of the Mahdi' is not the first time that those senile apostate fools preached. They preached it in 1979, and when it failed with the siege of Mecca, they blamed it upon USA for the carnage in Mecca, sow those hatred by lies till today with many innocent americans dead for it.

Now, they are trying again, just as they had tried many times over the centuries since prophet Muhammad departed from our planet. Will Iranians and true muslims never learn???

What I had written will fall upon deaf ears, I know, but record will show I tried here on ATS, to reach out to you and the wider audience reading this.

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I have to revert back to my old saying......muhammed,,,,allah,,,,,,eh..whoever you are seriously annoying my GOD!!!!

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"Iran official: 'Big war' means Mahdi's coming"...

... and man is he pissed

a war has already started against Iran!!!

and that tower in Tehran !

FYI Mr. Iranian:

Most people in the United States of American do not give a flying fig about Iran. We don't sit and think up ways to destroy Iran; we don't sit and ponder on your lives.

That being said, however, if Iran tries to step on our toes, we will react. Just as we did with Afganistan and Iraq.

Your mahdi may show up and if he does he will sign a peace treaty with Israel. That will certainly tell us who he is.

Originally posted by 1PLA1
Most people in the United States of American do not give a flying fig about Iran. We don't sit and think up ways to destroy Iran; we don't sit and ponder on your lives.
That being said, however, if Iran tries to step on our toes, we will react. Just as we did with Afganistan and Iraq.
Your mahdi may show up and if he does he will sign a peace treaty with Israel. That will certainly tell us who he is.

very nice my fellow but what are USA's toes doing in Iraq and Afghanistan. so USA is very big the head is in north america and the toes are in middle east !

Our toes are in those countries because they were stepped on...here on our own soil.

My questions to you is: why are there so many muslims in my country if the middle east is such a great place?

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Judaism, Islam and Christianity are religions not races. Arab or Pakistani or Iranian does not mean muslim the same that a Jew does not mean semitic. or Catholic does not mean american.
if there are many muslim immigrants in USA this is what the government has allowed them to enter !
and why are there people from many nations in USA !?
surely USA has good potentials that has attracted them from all over the world.
but most of them will maintain their former cultures.

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That post is a non-response to my question.

I don't need a -which culture or religion is from where- lesson from you. Yes, lots of people come here from lots of different countries. And I do realize that not all people from the middle east are muslim, but the majority of muslims are in the middle east.

That the government lets them in is not an answer as to why they come here.

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another news by that betrayer Reza Khalili how can you rely on those that has sold their own nations !
if you translate Israel and Zhionsist in google translator in persian then you will have (اسرائیل) and (صهیونیست) then when you search these words in the main persian source www.mashreghnews.ir... %85%DB%8C-%D8%AF%D8%B4%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%A8%D9%86%E2%80%8C%D8%A8%D8%B3%D8%AA%E2%80%8C-%D8%B1%D8
that he referenced you can not find any word of it ! but if you search Syria (سوریه) you will find one, this is how that propaganda machines spread lies !!!!!

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for education, buisness, for different experiences, USA has many goodnesses .......
but you know it is not 18th century. USA can not have military intervention here and there and then expect that it itself remains intact. the problems will return to itself. not only radicalism has not suppressed but it has boosted up since september !! let alone the expenses.

Originally posted by Humanity4Ever

Originally posted by samadfallah

Originally posted by dominicus
Iranian youth up to early 30'S are actually alot like everyone else, up on the news, trends, fashion, music, adopting various modern cultures and making it their own...... and most importantly they want peace.

When we speak of "Iran" ready for war, let's remember this is referring to the older fundy generations that are there in positions of power.

Oh, I disagree . there's lots of us (Iranian youth) that love peace as much as we love wiping Israel out of the map .

unfortunately we cannot attack israel first ! it's against our religion . but we're waiting for them to attack us then we're allowed to defence ourselves ! sometimes u can defend yourself by attacking your enemies ... u get it !?

don't worry about us . we're gonna be fine . our history is full of situations like this .

This is a perfect example of the prevailing sentiment shared by many Iranians that have been brainwashed by their theocratic, fanatical, suicidal dictatorship. It's not just the old generation as apologists would have you believe.

BTW, as for wanting to wipe Israel off the map...good luck with that. The IDF will turn your archaic, barbaric homeland into a parking lot.

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IDF

u will see who's gonna wipe the other off the map . read deuteronomy 28:49 , many of zionist rabbis believe that the nation that mentioned in this book is today's Iran .

Why do u think they order that all the Jewish students in israel have to learn Persian language ?

Originally posted by samadfallah
u will see who's gonna wipe the other off the map . read deuteronomy 28:49 , many of zionist rabbis believe that the nation that mentioned in this book is today's Iran .

but I think that statements is about something that has already happened in the history. for example by Nebuchadnezzar or Romans.
they are spreaded throughout the world already.
the reality is that if it had not been because of Cyrus(the king of persia)(Dhul_Qarnayn) there would have been not any jew or judaism or jerusalem in this world. it is written in Bible.
Iran had always a traditional role in returning that holy lands to it's real residents and now it is playing it's role again !

All solutions suggested and followed up by the Westerners and their affiliates for “resolving the problem of Palestine” have been wrong and unsuccessful, and it will remain so in the future. We have put forth a just and entirely democratic solution. All the Palestinians – both the current citizens of Palestine and those who have been forced to immigrate to other countries but have preserved their Palestinian identity, including Muslims, Christians and Jews – should take part in a carefully supervised and confidence-building referendum and chose the political system of their country, and all the Palestinians who have suffered from years of exile should return to their country and take part in this referendum and then help draft a Constitution and hold elections. Peace will then be established. english.khamenei.ir...

Originally posted by 1PLA1
FYI Mr. Iranian:

Most people in the United States of American do not give a flying fig about Iran. We don't sit and think up ways to destroy Iran; we don't sit and ponder on your lives.

That being said, however, if Iran tries to step on our toes, we will react. Just as we did with Afganistan and Iraq.

Your mahdi may show up and if he does he will sign a peace treaty with Israel. That will certainly tell us who he is.

hi,

I know u don't ... actually most of u'r people doesn't even know where Iran is !!! but your politicians your goverments do it perfectly .

actually it's zionists and US that steping on our toes ... nuclear enery issues I mean . US has millions of nuclear bombs yet think they can stop us of reaching the simplest things about nuclear energy !!!

I tell u ... we're planning 50% enrichment and perhaps more !

the things u said about Imam mahdi I think u mean if Imam Mahdi sign a peace treaty with israel it would make him "The Antichrist" (according to revelation) to your eyes .

let me tell u something ... this book, revelation is very very suspicious . it has been mutilated / slanted (actually I don't know the right verb to say that ,,, hope u get it) . or maybe it's "satanic revelation" (u do know that Demons and Satan do this to us . reveal things . evil things u know) .

this book introduce Devil / Satan / Lucifer as a "Fallen Angel" ... but now we know the truth that he is not an angel at all . he just lived between angels for a while (before he fell) ... actually Koran tells us that he is a Demon .

there's lots of suspicious things in the book of revelation like . Bablon (lady in red of Babylon) . The beast (beast is a good character in Islam , in our Hadiths***) ... and the Antichrist ... suspiciousely antichrist is fit to Imam Mahdi .

*** Hadith is kind of a/an advice & religious instruction or prophecy etc.

Originally posted by samadfallah
IDF

u will see who's gonna wipe the other off the map . read deuteronomy 28:49 , many of zionist rabbis believe that the nation that mentioned in this book is today's Iran .

Why do u think they order that all the Jewish students in israel have to learn Persian language ?

edit on 23-9-2012 by samadfallah because: (no reason given)

I was student, a Jewish Israeli student, mind you, and I have never studied anything revolving Iran or the Persian empire. Actually, nobody is being taught anything about the Persians. You have to go to college and sign up specifically for Middle Eastern History classes in order to touch that subject partially. So don't give yourself any credit, young fella.

Putting that aside - how exactly are you going to wipe Israel off the map? With the limited number of ballistic missiles you possess?

Your Air force is a joke compared to ours, so is basically your entire army.
The only chance you have at inflicting serious damage is the nuclear bomb which you won't get to build.

As I said - your Air force is a joke, your Naval force is an outdated joke, your ground forces are laughable (soldiers on motorcycles lmfao) and they won't ever reach anywhere near Israel.

The only thing you could put your hopes on is a nuke and Hizbollah, that unlike some years ago this time we will blow them along with Lebanon out into the skies if they try anything funny. The last war with all the limitations we had, we pretty much scorched Beiruth and made an overall damage of more than 5 billion, and that was when we had an idiotic leadership + the fact that we were trying to be as considerate as possible in the civilian infrastructure. This time it's going to be an entirely different ball game.


But your attitude is not anything new. Throughout history all of our surrounding nations have threatened us with great arrogance, claiming they could wipe us out with minor effort - and in return they got served one after another, time after time, again and again and again. Even when they tried to combine forces, they got owned and humiliated.

I'll also let you in on a little secret - they put their hopes up on "Allah" helping them as well, and guess what? They were beaten into a bloody pulp, whether if they were or weren't the aggressors.
But I guess you'll come up with a sorry excuse for that as well.

You should get that into your head - Islamic armies + Soviet era weapons = sure way to fail.

I think you're doing a great job in letting us all know that even the moderate, 'sane' young public of Iran is batsh** crazy, putting his hopes up onto an imaginary "mahdi" or whatever just like your ordinary religious fanatic nut.
You are clearly delusional and insane, living in the year 2012 and still believing as if it is 1012, making prophetic claims of some stupid mahdi that supposed to magically appear and wipe your enemies off the map.
Furthermore, if 95% of the public hold the same opinion as your's as you say, personally I'm not going to feel bad once an attack on your fanatic country starts. You'll get what you asked for, just don't whine later on when some magical creature isn't helping your crappy Migs from crashing and burning.

Grow a brain and get to college. Do something useful in your life besides being a religious nutcase.