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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Arbitrageur
The thing with science is, if you go too far in your cold analysis, all meaning in the universe just becomes a jumble of numbers and chemical formulas.
~ One hypothesis is that the Universe may have been designed by extra-universal aliens. Some believe this would solve the problem of how a designer or design team capable of fine-tuning the Universe could come to exist. Cosmologist Alan Guth believes humans will in time be able to generate new universes. By implication previous intelligent entities may have generated our Universe
~ "modern cosmology indicates that multiple universes may exist with different constants and laws of physics. So, it is not surprising that we live in the one suited for us. The Universe is not fine-tuned to life; life is fine-tuned to the Universe."
~ The Simulation hypothesis promoted by Nick Bostrom and others suggests that our Universe may be a computer simulation by aliens.
~ The Biocosm hypothesis and the Meduso-anthropic principle both suggest that natural selection has made the universe biophilic. The Universe enables intelligence because intelligent entities later create new biophilic universes. This is different from the suggestion above that aliens from a universe that is less-finely tuned than ours made our Universe finely tuned.
~ The Designer Universe theory of John Gribbin suggests that the Universe could have been made deliberately by a member or members of a technologically advanced civilization in another part of the Multiverse, and that this advanced civilization may have been responsible for causing the Big Bang.
My point is that even if we work from the premise that the Universe IS finely tuned, it doesn't actually provide irrefutable proof of God.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Arbitrageur
The thing with science is, if you go too far in your cold analysis, all meaning in the universe just becomes a jumble of numbers and chemical formulas. Are you trying to kill all meaning in the universe? Does it make you feel better to think that all of this was just random and there is no purpose to existing? Does that warm your heart?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Does it make you feel better to think that all of this was just random and there is no purpose to existing? Does that warm your heart?
Do you know what science is?
Cold analysis or dealing with facts, or EVIDENCE is really all there is, and if one can find god with cold analysis, so be it. I just hope it ain't the dude in the Old Testament.
Science can only tell us what we know, not what we don't.
Things like god, weather the universe has a purpose, science has not ruled that out. You have a point, but there is also no evidence of those things.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Doesn't mean they don't exist. Just means we're not smart enough to see it yet.
All of your arguments beg the assumption that the technology we have today is the best technology there will ever be, or that this is as smart as we'll ever be.
Wait until the chickens have hatched, okay? As of this moment, we are quite possibly one of the most idiotic species on this planet. How can we understand what's outside our world, when we keep misunderstanding that which is right next to us?
Not me, I'm 43 years old
We are still children.
Give it time before suddenly deciding, "Oh, well, we have enough data to conclude blah blah blah." Don't jump the gun.
Originally posted by jeramie
It's so sad how facts such as this about our Lord just bring out such hatred in so many people. Nothing angers so many people so easily, and that's tragic.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Toadmund
Science can only tell us what we know, not what we don't.
Indeed.
Things like god, weather the universe has a purpose, science has not ruled that out. You have a point, but there is also no evidence of those things.
Doesn't mean they don't exist. Just means we're not smart enough to see it yet
All of your arguments beg the assumption that the technology we have today is the best technology there will ever be, or that this is as smart as we'll ever be.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by buddhasystem
My point here is simple: we don't know enough to say "yes" or "no". Yet we THINK we do, and that's where the mistake is. We act as though we know enough now to say almost anything as an absolute, and that's not realistic.
And my point is even simpler - you are making things up.
Nobody is saying "this" or "that" with 100% certainty, at least as far as science is concerned.
As I said, there may be an ancient creature buried deep underground in my village. Feel free to discuss the color of its scales, I have more important things to do.