Iran Threatens to Hit Israel and U.S. Bases

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Jingoism is based on an aggressive policy, which Iran does not have....but the US does.

We all know about US policy but that's a bold face lie about Iran.
But, you're welcome to your opinion

Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy

 

The only people that say that Iran isn't aggressive are the ones who are ignorant to their proxy war efforts. Just because Iran doesn't put an Iranian flag on the terrorists they fund, doesn't mean they aren't aggressive.

And how many proxy wars has the US been involved in over the past 50 years? Man people are such hypocrites.

We aren't talking about the US.

And by the way, the US had proxy wars when Soviet presence was detected, and it was best to avoid a direct confrontation. Other than that, the US has no problems with assuming its military operations.

Are we going to continue with unbased and emotional arguments? If so, let me now, so I don't take part in the usual country bashing...

reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy


Well, since I am an American I can be biased if I want and It is relevant because Israel will drag us into this attack and you know it.

reply to post by maes2

It's not so much Israel's technology...They are among the most advanced in the world on defense and have their own domestic and very mature arms production industry. They stopped needing our help a long time ago. The Billion a year sure helps pay the bills on R&D though, I'm sure.

Then again, so does the matching Billion to Egypt for the same period of years.

What I meant was the Iranians being right in geography which is what I read the statement to mean. Israel is tiny and in a horrible position for a Missile and Air war.

I made up this first one and the second is from a different article online





I just don't get it... Iran has the conventional capability to rain missiles like a Texas hail storm into an area THAT small in pure square mileage. Iran is a 1/3rd of the U.S. for size with over 70 million people and Israel is roughly the size of New Jersey with a population of 7 million. Israel talks big....and maybe, sadly, a bit too far this time. I hope not.

Israel won't obliterate 70 million people....Iran COULD obliterate 7 million in that little box they call Israel and Palestine. (without a single nuke either)

Where are those cooler heads everyone talks about? The world need some in a few nations.

Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy

 

Well, since I am an American I can be biased if I want and It is relevant because Israel will drag us into this attack and you know it.

Israel will drag us to a conflict as much as Iran will.

The cause for Israel's comments comes from the lack of Iran's compliance with what they agreed to do.

Even countries like Russia and China have advised Iran to fulfill their obligations in the IAEA. Countries who ARE NOT allied of Israel and U.S. .

Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by Wonderer2012

 

The head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards says his country will target U.S. bases in the Middle East and Israel if attacked-

Well, them being a sovereign nation and all, if attacked, they are well within their rights to defend themselves.

You're forgetting about the whole 12th Imam thing and 'wiping israel off of the face of the earth' statements. Israel is well within their rights to stop them before they can destroy Israel.

reply to post by angrysniper

'wiping israel off of the face of the earth'

You listen to Sean Hannity to much, that was never said.
CSM

1. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad never said that Israel should be "wiped off the map." One frequently proffered explanation for why a war with Iran is needed is because President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wants Israel "wiped off the map," and that with a nuclear weapon, he could. But some argue that Mr. Ahmadinejad's statement was mistranslated from less incidiary language. Ahmadinejad's alleged condemnation of

This is a key difference, Mr. Norouzi argued, because Ahmadinejad used the "vanish from the page of time" idiom elsewhere in his speech: when describing the governments of the Shah of Iran, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein. While war and revolution were involved in the three regimes' collapse, none of them, Norouzi argued, were "wiped off the map." Rather, they underwent regime change. This suggests in turn, he said, that Ahmadinejad was calling for regime change in Israel, not nuclear genocide. Juan Cole, another critic of the speech's translation, compared Ahmadinejad's statement to Reagan-era calls for the end of the Soviet Union.

And this is from the CHRISTIAN science monitor

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Jingoism is based on an aggressive policy, which Iran does not have....but the US does.

We all know about US policy but that's a bold face lie about Iran.
But, you're welcome to your opinion

When has Iran acted aggressively militarily towards another nation? They have not invaded any other countries or anything of the sort.

So if we cannot take Iran at their word, saying that they would only act if acted upon, please provide some evidence that Iran is an aggressive military force.

I am open-minded and willing to change my point of view, but just saying it's a lie does not make it so. Convince me.

I say we tell both Israel and Iran to go F*** themselves and then just yell PEACE to the whole middle east pulling everyone out... Time to take care of business back home... Reduce the military budget, put that extra money towards programs that are hurting for moola...

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Jingoism is based on an aggressive policy, which Iran does not have....but the US does.

We all know about US policy but that's a bold face lie about Iran.
But, you're welcome to your opinion

When has Iran acted aggressively militarily towards another nation? They have not invaded any other countries or anything of the sort.

So if we cannot take Iran at their word, saying that they would only act if acted upon, please provide some evidence that Iran is an aggressive military force.

I am open-minded and willing to change my point of view, but just saying it's a lie does not make it so. Convince me.

I'm posting fromm a mobile platform and it's a nightmare to post sources and links using this thing.

However, if you are being honest about your curiosity, I advise you to research the links between Iran and Hezbollah, in which it is declared that Iran gives them up to 200 million dollars in funding, plus military training and weapons. (what I stated can be verified even in Wikipedia)

reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy


Please don't try to pull the "terrorist" card. We are talking about Iran and the Revolutionary guard. They are the guys with the big weapons and are the ones making the statement in the OP.

People are welcome to their opinions, as Slayer conveniently pointed out, but we are not welcome to our own facts. Fact is.....Iran has not been aggressive.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy

 

Please don't try to pull the "terrorist" card. We are talking about Iran and the Revolutionary guard. They are the guys with the big weapons and are the ones making the statement in the OP.

People are welcome to their opinions, as Slayer conveniently pointed out, but we are not welcome to our own facts. Fact is.....Iran has not been aggressive.

If you had followed my advice and did some research, you would notice that the branch funding Hezbollah is Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

Again, I can't post sources - at this moment - but the reason why the IRG funds groups like Hezbollah, is based on the fact that they also consider those groups as equal in nature with the philosophy of the Iranian Revolution.

ETA: by the way, nice deflection of arguments. Funding terrorism isn't being aggressive? I should keep that in my pocket when people start bashing the US for their irresponsible fundings. "don't pull the terrorist card"...

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
When has Iran acted aggressively militarily towards another nation?

Let me guess you're going to ignore all their Covert activities going back a few decades?

Recently Iran's Supreme leader couldn't keep his yap shut...
english.farsnews.com...

"Wherever Iran interferes, it announces it in a very straightforward manner. For instance, we interfered in confrontations against Israel, which resulted in the (Lebanese) victory in the 33-day war and (Palestinians' victory in) the 22-day (Gaza) war," Ayatollah Khamenei said, addressing millions of Friday Prayers worshippers on Tehran University Campus today.

They have not invaded any other countries or anything of the sort.

That is such a tired old over used non argument.
Change that channel, That's last years pop song.

So if we cannot take Iran at their word

No, we cant.
This isn't a dig on Persians but rather TPTB in Tehran.

I am open-minded and willing to change my point of view, but just saying it's a lie does not make it so. Convince me.

Nobody here is trying to change your mind or convince you [At least I'm not] I'd suggest to just be a bit more objective is all

reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy


Hezbollah will not start a war with the US or Israel. They are just a bunch of rag-tag militants from Lebanon that like to play politics.

Hezbollah is not a player in the potential war between Iran, Israel and the US.

So please, let's stay on topic and show me how IRAN is a threat.

reply to post by SLAYER69

That is such a tired old over used non argument. Change that channel, That's last years pop song.

It only gets old when you cant refute it. Inconvinient, yes. But true.

I'd suggest to just be a bit more objective is all

I think I have been. There is no reason to believe that Iran is the aggressor. The statements quoted in the OP takes a defensive posture against Israel and the US and by definition, they are not anything close to a "jingoist neocon".

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy

 

Hezbollah will not start a war with the US or Israel. They are just a bunch of rag-tag militants from Lebanon that like to play politics.

Hezbollah is not a player in the potential war between Iran, Israel and the US.

So please, let's stay on topic and show me how IRAN is a threat.

Hezbollah has been waging war against Israel for years. The only reason why you don't consider them a threat is because they are not a country and because they use asymmetric warfare.

Google "Iran + asymmetric warfare".

You'll be surprised.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
It only gets old when you cant refute it. Inconvinient, yes. But true.

As I said.

You're going to ignore their very real history of supporting certain groups?
People call me ignorantly brainwashed....

I think I have been. There is no reason to believe that Iran is the aggressor.

"The" aggressor? No, I agree there to a certain extent they aren't alone in this mess. "A" aggressor in this whole mess? YES, but they aren't alone in this mess.

They play their part.

reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy


So are you saying that Hezbollah is where we need to focus our attention? Is the real threat going to come from Hezbollah?

No, of course not.

The fact still remains that Iran has taken a defensive posture and has now given the ball to Israel and the US to put in play.

reply to post by SLAYER69

They play their part.

Yes they do. I can agree with that and like I said in the previous post, Iran has now put itself in a position to make Israel and the US look like the instigator of war, but they are prepared to wipe out Israel and US assets if they are engaged militarily.

I don't agree with everything Iran does, but I give them credit for playing a very mean political game and forcing the world to look at Israel and the US to act out.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
The fact still remains that Iran has taken a defensive posture and has now given the ball to Israel and the US to put in play.

They've done nothing of the sort.
All they've done is spewed some theoretic so some people will eat it up as if it's manna from heaven. Then they'll say...

"See, they are the victims"

Some people play their parts...