Did this 78 yr old man really beat 'incurable' cancer just by changing his diet?

reply to post by deessell


No, it isn't a theory of how cancer develops at all.
I haven't stated any specific theories, just said what cancer IS.

Cancer has been PROVEN to have been caused by a myriad of factors and quite often it's not a single factor but a combination of them. So for someone to say, quite glibly in my opinion and without reproducible and verifiable evidence, that all cancer is caused by a fungus demonstrates one of the closed minds I've ever encountered.

Your example of scurvy and citrus fruits is a strange one. Scurvy was first described by Hippocrates (yes, THAT Hippocrates) and has been treated in various ways ever since. A link from it to citrus fruits was proven in 1753 and the British Navy started providing their sailors with the fruits not too long after that (hence the term "Limeys"). Personally I wouldn't call 350 years "It wasn't that long ago ".

reply to post by Pardon?


Yes, I'm aware of that however, it wasn't until 1932 that Vitamin C was "discovered".

This has all been very interesting to read. I'd heard about a cure that had been found for cancer sometime ago, but never heard anything more. I'm going to look through the links, and watch the videos. I've been making changes in my diet, and plan to make more. Forks Over Knives sounds really interesting.

Originally posted by CatrionaBeldame
This has all been very interesting to read. I'd heard about a cure that had been found for cancer sometime ago, but never heard anything more. I'm going to look through the links, and watch the videos. I've been making changes in my diet, and plan to make more. Forks Over Knives sounds really interesting.

I have been increasing my daily intake of Vit C to 2000 mg per day. So far I have been feeling pretty good. I have been on this new diet for the past month and a half. Never felt better

reply to post by Skywatcher2011


The doctors want to make money also. If the hospitals started healing the patients before they saw the surgeons, the hospitals and doctors would lose money also. And word of mouth would spread and so the doctors would lose more patients.

On the topic of Vitamin C, there are many very interesting things about it. I have RSD/CRPS (Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy/Complex Regional Pain Syndrome), and have since I was 17 (About 10 years now after an accident). It can come on after any traumatic injury, or any minor injury. It's basically the nerves never getting the message that your injury is healed, and so it keeps sending out signals that you are in pain via the sympathetic nervous system traveling through the spine. So it's non-stop burning, stinging, aching, stabbing pain, and the limb starts to waste away and atrophy, or swell incredibly, turn red or purple, nail and hair growth either stop completely or grow out of control, nails fall off eventually, bones start to deform and develop osteoporosis. There is no known "cure" for it, just procedures and medication to help quality of life (Though I have started a green smoothie diet, twice a day, and while it hasn't helped my pain, it has me feeling WAY better over all, and also finally stop drinking coffee).

Anyway, I just wanted to give background on it and say that studies show that people who take incredibly high doses of Vitamin C after an injury can help prevent RSD from that injury. I don't understand exactly why, but I think it's fascinating.. I just don't get it. Maybe it helps the nerves function properly? Maybe it helps them regenerate? I can't understand it, but I honestly tell everyone I know after an injury to just take a lot of Vitamin C because they definitely don't want this.

So I wouldn't doubt that Vitamin C would have a lot of benefits against certain illnesses on the body.

reply to post by deessell


What exactly are you aware of?
The fact that scurvy was treated with citrus fruits or that it took a while longer to specify the exact compound involved?

And going back to your previous post, the other "theories" are not proper theories. True theories have been tested, reproducibly proven and used reliably to make predictions about what will happen under further testing.
The majority of the tosh in this thread is little more than supposition and and a hatred and/or distrust of the medical establishment.
The fungus one cracks me up every time and for those who really believe in the acid/alkaline story, please learn some basic human physiology before you start mouthing off about it.
While there's an awful lot of truth in having a healthy diet and the prevention of cancer the most it can do is HELP prevent it. It doesn't cure it.

I've been researching into cancer treatments for over 10 years now and I will give EVERY single hypothesis equal time and thought. There have been times when I've thought they've managed to find something which is going to change the rules but unfortunately, since this isn't just one disease but many, one single method of attack won't give us a panacea.

What people have to also take into account (and I find that certain people who extol the virtues of "natural medicine" are the most guilty ones in ignoring this piece of information) is that the alternative medicine BUSINESS is worth in excess of $50 billion a year. Yes, it's a BIG BUSINESS just like pharma but with few, if any at all, guidelines to follow.

I'm not for any particular method of countering this horrific disease. Personally I believe that the only thing you can do is to limit your chances of developing it but even then, I've known people who have lived a healthy life with almost zero risk-factors and they've developed it.
The web is awash with a myriad of cancer treatments and cures all preying on the desperation of the sufferers and their families hoping to avoid the likes of surgery, chemo and/or radiation treatment. Yes, those treatments are almost as horrific as the disease itself but at the moment they offer the best chance we have.
Believe me, if something (anything!) comes up which gives us a better chance of survival without the side effects of the treatments listed above, I'll be standing on the rooftops shouting about it.
I really hope I'm able to do that in my lifetime.

Originally posted by Pardon?
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The web is awash with a myriad of cancer treatments and cures all preying on the desperation of the sufferers and their families hoping to avoid the likes of surgery, chemo and/or radiation treatment. Yes, those treatments are almost as horrific as the disease itself but at the moment they offer the best chance we have.

I choose not to believe that chemo and radiation offer the best treatment for cancer. If I am not mistaken, doesn't radiation also cause cancer? Chemo..offers many toxic chemicals which may kill the cancer, but may also cause new cancers down the road.

I believe in the healthy diet and vitamins treatment. I like my occasional wine and cheese. And I try to stay away from junk food. But I do love my morning coffee, oh yeeeeeeah!

Originally posted by Skywatcher2011

Originally posted by Pardon?
reply to post by deessell

 

The web is awash with a myriad of cancer treatments and cures all preying on the desperation of the sufferers and their families hoping to avoid the likes of surgery, chemo and/or radiation treatment. Yes, those treatments are almost as horrific as the disease itself but at the moment they offer the best chance we have.

I choose not to believe that chemo and radiation offer the best treatment for cancer. If I am not mistaken, doesn't radiation also cause cancer? Chemo..offers many toxic chemicals which may kill the cancer, but may also cause new cancers down the road.

I believe in the healthy diet and vitamins treatment. I like my occasional wine and cheese. And I try to stay away from junk food. But I do love my morning coffee, oh yeeeeeeah!

It's certainly your prerogative to "believe" that they're not the best treatments but please let me know of any which have been reproducibly PROVEN to offer the same success rates as them (testimonies don't count).
Yes, uncontrolled radiation can certainly cause cancer but you need to understand fully what radiotherapy entails. It's very controlled and specifically targets certain areas. The chances of this radiation causing cancer is very slim indeed and this is far outweighed by the therapeutic nature of it.
As far as I'm aware, chaemo doesn't cause cancer. There's one study out there which suggests that some chaemo may encourage some cancer s to grow and make the treatment more difficult but this needs to be verified.

Look, as I've said in numerous topics about cancer, the current regime of cancer treatments is horrible. It's not something to be taken lightly at all. What you have to think of though is the alternative to not having these treatments. Cancer is an horrific disease and unfortunately it takes fire to fight fire.
If there were any alternatives to this, any at all, they would be the biggest breakthrough not just in medical science but in science full stop. There would be no way at all of suppressing this at all. None whatsoever as everyone concerned would be shouting from the rooftops. As this hasn't happened yet it means there isn't one.
I really hope I see one in my lifetime though.

If anyone is looking for a cure for practically anything including any type of cancer, if you have a family member going through this horrible killer, please go to google and type in Gerson Therapy.

Do not need doctors, chemo or radio therapy, This is all you need.

Good luck,

Andro

reply to post by Skywatcher2011


V8 juice is full of sugar and other crap if you want juice make it yourself

reply to post by Andromerius


There is 2 good shows to watch they are cancer is curable now and forks over knives if you eat meat keep it to 5% of your intake anything over will make the meat proteins have a cancer effect. The forks over knives doco also shows a lot of evidence for this and is probably the better of the 2 if you can download it from somewhere or even buy it they have a website. They show a few people all on a massive amount of drugs including insuline shots they change their diet and they no longer need any of their meds that they needed before.

The cure has been there since the start of time just modern day living has erroded that and certain region lifestyles also drive the cancer rates up. Hope you check out the docos I spoke of.

Originally posted by vkturbo
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V8 juice is full of sugar and other crap if you want juice make it yourself

I have been doing that recently....just mixing greens and fruits in my blender and making the best smoothies ever!

How odd that a friend of mine told me not 1 hour after i read this thread that he has colon cancer and they are operating on him next week. I had bookmarked the thread page for some reason. I quickly printed it out for him and he is going to get on that diet. He is having the surgery but was very happy that i gave him that info. Thanks OP.

reply to post by Skywatcher2011


There are plently of stories concering herbal remedy miracles! I think herbal supplements will work for some people, but others are too far gone. Seems like this man caught his cancer before it spread too far. I think the hormones and steriods places in animal foods (beef/milk/chicken) are to blame. If we all adopted healthier life styles I think cancer will decrease.

I practice herbal remedies as well to try to fight off dysplasia I am experiencing.

Google has plenty of sites offering recommendations of herbs to take for whatever symptoms you may have. You can probably even find a person to consult in your town.

Gerson Therapy

I think selenium is a big one imo. Its interesting that the fda warns that high doses of selenium are toxic but it seems to have big anticancer effects. they want to steer us away from these compounds because the sickness industry is huge. Why just die when you can make the hospital and big pharma industry rich first then die. Thanks for the 100k now die or live we dont care.

reply to post by Bilky


Ok my mind is numb trying to decipher all this, and forgive me if I asked before but my dad is dieing. He ha three types of cancer and heart disease. He was almost killed by hospital staff and doctor years ago. Now he does not trust them and won't take chemo and radiation. He will try alternative stuff.

Please pm me what he should do. I was always the black sheep but he truly is the most honest good godly man I have ever met. He treats everyone with love and respect and honestly lives the words and teachings of god. I struggle with why such good godly people suffer. Or anyone for that matter.

If you can give any specifics that can help please pm, I can't even pronounce the cancer name but he has large tumor on his neck. Please help,

The Bot

I'd advise people to read about Gerson therapy from at least several different independent sources (i.e. not the Gerson Institute or someone affiliated with/making money off of it) before recommending it to anyone or trying it themselves. I'm not asserting that this "therapy" has no beneficial effects OR endorsing the "Big Pharma" alternatives - I just want to bring up that it's dangerous to paint it as some infallible, miraculous cure-all. Same goes for any of these supposed anti-cancer magic bullets. People pay $5,500+ to stay at special Gerson therapy clinics, drink all the juices, take all the coffee enemas, and still have their cancer spread and kill them (link is to a very sad account from a person who believes in and endorses the treatment, not someone with a bias against alternative medicine). I worry about cancer quite a bit, and it would take a great load off my mind to know that a universal cancer cure as simple as "just eat/drink/take enemas of X" really did exist. I have yet to see convincing evidence of such, though.

This blog post by a surgical oncologist and cancer researcher makes no bones about its anti-Gerson stance, but I think this paragraph makes a good argument:

Think about it this way: So many people die of cancer every year that virtually every person in developed countries, doctors and cancer researchers–and, yes, even big pharma executives–included, have known, know, or will know someone with cancer. Many have seen or will see someone they love die of cancer, sometimes in horrific ways. Certainly over the more than four decades of my existence, I have had multiple family members who have died of cancer. In fact, right now my wife and I are dealing with the heartbreak of a close family member recently diagnosed with widely metastatic breast cancer, and I’ve been trying to work every contact I know to get her to the best oncologist in order to provide her with the best possible palliation. Do the makers of this movie think that I or any other cancer researcher (or even big pharma executive) would withhold knowledge of such a “cure” or keep it from others if I knew of it? Indeed, because cancer kills so many people, many of these very same doctors and researchers will end up battling the disease at some point in their lives, and many of them will end up dying of it themselves. I might even end up dying of cancer someday. You might end up dying of cancer someday. Does it make any sort of sense logically that every single one of these doctors, executives, and bureaucrats would dismiss or conspire to suppress (or even blindly ignore the evidence for its existence because of dogma and “business as usual” of) such an amazingly effective cure, if it really existed? No, it does not. Someone would talk, probably a lot of people. I know I would. Again, given how cancer has recently touched our family, I assure you, if such a cure existed, I would make damned sure that family member got it, no matter what it was, and if it truly worked as advertised I would make sure everyone else knew about it too. You can be sure that quite a few of those supposedly nefarious cancer researchers, government bureaucrats, and big pharma executives would too.

Again, I'm not promoting or discouraging any treatment, and I think each person should decide for themselves what path they want to take if they wind up facing cancer. Trying alternative remedies after "conventional" methods have failed is perfectly understandable. To my knowledge, though, no treatment for cancer or any other disease has a 100% success rate and/or a 0% chance of adverse effects (please correct me if I'm wrong about this!). I hate to see people offer false hope or, worse, profit off of these type of hyperbolic "miracle cure" claims.

Skywatcher2011
Again, the clues to beating cancer are everywhere. It's what the doctors won't tell you in the hospitals.

That's because the cancer industry is their bread and butter.

They like to say that "cancer costs the community" a lot of money because it sounds better than "we make a lot of money from cancer sufferers".

Take note also that these "non-profit charities" that are forever collecting money "to find a cure for cancer" don't have labs themselves. They give the money to a third party to do the "research", that laughs all the way to the bank. And I'm sure they would love to find a "cure" and put themselves out of business...