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Originally posted by Zatox
I never stated that is it a good idea to kill people just because us muslims don't like something.
We don't like violence or killing. But it does state in our book, if someone is insulting our religion especially our prophet, take action, if warnings are ignored, take severe action, which then results in a declared holy war.
We are peaceful but once non Muslims start to push us further off the edge, they are just asking for even a greater war to happen, and it won't end nice.
I ask you, is it worth it? All this religious hate, is it really worth it? .
I'm glad that you have the right to do so. If the internet were ruled by fundamentalist muslims and/or sharia law .. you wouldn't have a right to your opinion. So enjoy having that right while you can. The previous (muslim) poster admits that he would take away your right to express your opinion and apologists back him up. So cherish that right .. while you can.
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
What do you mean by 'while you can'?
Fear mongering - and it's not subtle. That entire statement you just made is something of a rallying cry...a call to arms
Tell me FlyersFan - do you honestly believe the entire Muslim world is represented by these attacks?
Doesn't real freedom come with a need for responsibility and restraint? Or are our greatest gifts - liberty and justice for all - just words?
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
Like it or not - the violence that's happening around the world right now is also freedom of speech - without restraint
Where will it end I wonder?
In total melt down and destruction of the civilized world. That would be my guess. It's just a matter of time ...
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Film protest: Egypt PM urges US to end 'insults'
I urge the Egyptian PM to educate himself - with the truth about the shady side of Islam and about Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Opinion and about the fact that this is the year 2012. I urge the Egyptian PM to try to control the insanity in Egypt .. perhaps by educating himself and the people there about how to act civilized in a very crowded world.
Originally posted by buster2010
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Film protest: Egypt PM urges US to end 'insults'
I urge the Egyptian PM to educate himself - with the truth about the shady side of Islam and about Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Opinion and about the fact that this is the year 2012. I urge the Egyptian PM to try to control the insanity in Egypt .. perhaps by educating himself and the people there about how to act civilized in a very crowded world.
So making fun of another religions prophet is an act of a civilized person? If a person were civilized he would respect another persons religion because that is the civilized and human thing to do.
I also saw a couple of them stealing and eating food from the chiller during daylight hours of Ramadan, and when I commented on this they put their finger to their lips and said 'Sssh', before walking away with a grin.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Bluesma
Being rude and crass and claiming "Hey, I'm just telling the truth! " is just a cop out.
Telling the truth is telling the truth. Claiming that it shouldn't be told because you disagree with it or because you subjectively think it's 'rude or crass' .. THAT is a cop out.
I don't care about the movie. And furthermore .. it doesn't matter if the movie is 'in good taste, tactful, respectful or realistically portraying truth'. All that is SUBJECTIVE and IRRELEVANT.
The movie is allowed by law .. it's a person expressing his opinion ... and he has a right to do so. The upset muslims on the other side of the planet have a right not to go on the internet and look at the film. It's just that simple..
Originally posted by buster2010
So making fun of another religions prophet is an act of a civilized person? If a person were civilized he would respect another persons religion because that is the civilized and human thing to do.
Originally posted by Bluesma
Guess what? Muslims are subjects, not objects, so their feelings are relevant.
Speaking truth truthfully is a discipline of heart and mind, and learning to avoid the temptation of falling into exaggerations and simplistic emotional button pushers. If you speak the truth, you don't need to do that, it will stand on it's own.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Bluesma
Guess what? Muslims are subjects, not objects, so their feelings are relevant.
As you can see by the previous posts here .. there is no 'sensitive' way to state the truth about Muhammed. The truth is the truth. The man was a thief. He was a murderer. He had sex with children. that's the truth of it. And there is no good reason to have to pussy-foot around those facts.
The truth hurts. Learn from it. Grow from it. Free yourself from the bonds of a cult with it.
There is no reason to avoid truth simply because telling that truth is going to piss off people who refuse to control themselves. That is completely on the rioters. Not the film maker.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.