Karl Marx's poems to Satan

a reply to: ImaFungi

I saw enough of that site to know that I do

NOT

need to research the lower reaches of the outhouse any further.

One doesn't need to bother about propaganda about Marx.

His own true history and doings are quite sobering enough.

a reply to: BO XIAN

Anyone who wants to be objective and unbiased can look back at the last page of our conversation and see that I have asked you 3 times to use the site I linked, which is organized and has self contained links to a lot of Marx' own writing and words and ideas, to find 1 paragraph on that site you disagreed with. You could not do so. Nothing more needs to be said. You have a strawman, a bogey man, an imagined entity in your head you are wrestling with and attacking. You have nothing to say against Marx or his writing, or you would have found one paragraph of his writing you disagree with, and posted it here, like I asked, so we can discuss it. You are not fooling anyone, well not anyone besides yourself.

a reply to: ImaFungi

Ahhhhh . . . another bloke who seems to have trouble distinguishing between

WILL NOT

vs

CANNOT.

Interesting.

Guess what.

You are not my editor.
You are not my supervisor.
You are not my boss.
You are not my style coach.
You are not my sponsor.
You are not my mentor.
You are not my professor.
You are not my friend.
You are not my brother.


From my perspective, You have ZERO grounds from which to !!!!DEMAND!!!!

that I write or post anything according to your sensibilities, prescription or orders.

I've asserted well grounded truths about Marx. You are certainly free to disagree with them.

My education on such matters is not paltry. I just have no need to prove it to someone who thinks any hint of the sort of nonsense that Marx and Jesus were philosophical bedmates.

Sheesh what blasphemous lunacy.

Perhaps they could do a poll hereon about your perspective.

I'd like to know how many allow such garbage air time in their brains, not to mention agree with it.

Given ATS, you could have quite a little cluster around your sensibilities . . . on the other hand, you might be one of less than a handful.

a reply to: icepack

No.

But how its implemented by the powerful yes.

a reply to: Misoir
This is shocking. I never dreamed the elite were at war with God.

( snickers sarcastically )

a reply to: BO XIAN

You will not because you can not.

a reply to: randyvs

Interesting . . . the double standard stuff . . . folks who are extremely outrageously hostile about the least hint of anyone daring to 'force' or 'coerce'

someone else's construction on reality onto the double standard bloke

are commonly INSISTENT on forcing THEIR construction on reality onto others.

I've said that I WILL not.

Yet the uninformed double standard folks typically hereon

INSIST that = CANNOT.

The looks on their faces when they discover otherwise should be interesting.

a reply to: BO XIAN

The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one, let the hate run through you. Why cant you find one paragraph on that site you disagree with that we can talk about? You have taken im guessing 15 to 20 minutes or more even in these baseless, substanceless replies about absolutely nothing besides feelings you were told to have, if you really hate the man as much as you say it should take no more then 5 minutes, maybe 2 minutes, to find a paragraph on that site I linked, so then you can show me and I can agree, wow yes, marx was a very bad man, his ideas were very bad. Until you do then, you are wrong, you have no grounds for an argument, you have no basis for an opinion.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: randyvs

Interesting . . . the double standard stuff . . . folks who are extremely outrageously hostile about the least hint of anyone daring to 'force' or 'coerce'

someone else's construction on reality onto the double standard bloke

are commonly INSISTENT on forcing THEIR construction on reality onto others.

I've said that I WILL not.

Yet the uninformed double standard folks typically hereon

INSIST that = CANNOT.

The looks on their faces when they discover otherwise should be interesting.

Well said BO XIAN.

originally posted by: DeepImpactX
Sounds like a pretty cold world he made for himself. Those are some pretty dark passages.

Most people go through those kinds of thoughts, but they typically come and go. They're a phase. With that guy though, they stuck around and he made a political movement based on it all.

I don't see much logic in any of it. Just a lot of personal feelings.

There isn't a whole lot of logic in much of leftism when you get right down to it. It doesn't logically work in a lot of ways, not when applied to reality anyhow.

a reply to: Skyfloating

I reject the premise that the side that seeks to invert the pyramid must both seek to "kill" God and be socialist.

Socialism as we know it is just another side of hierarchical pyramid that attempts to cloak itself as an inversion.

Most theocracies are that way as well.

There is no human-run system that will ever successfully invert the pyramid. It will not happen because it is human nature that humans seek to have and hold power. There will be the bureaucracy that administers and oversees the distribution of goods to keep things "fair" in socialism just as there would be a priesthood in a theocracy.

The best we can hope for in any human run system is a true meritocracy where each individual is free to rise as far as his or her individual talents merit, but that necessarily implies that the system will have inequality as there will be many who will not rise far or at all as they will not have the talents to do so.

Nice to see some posts appearing from the realm of logic and reality.

Certainly humanity in any system insures a polluted system with at least a bent toward power mongering, pride, !!!CONTROL!!! freakism etc.

originally posted by: ImaFungi

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: ImaFungi

NOPE.

Marx was hostile to God, to Christ and to all Jesus stood for.

Marx championed satan and satan's values and goals.

Marx sought to exterminate those Christ owned as the Father's chosen tribal groups.

Falsely extrapolating nonsense from the Biblical record is not truth.

Nope, Jesus would have favored Marx over most. Jesus wanted tolerable life for all humans, Marx wanted tolerable life for all humans. Most cannot say the same of their ideals. Have you ever even read Marx?

There is a big, fundamental difference between Jesus and Marx - Marx claimed to want tolerable life for all humans as enforced by the state, so at the point of a gun which violates on of the big Commandments that Jesus still endorsed. You know, the one about not stealing. Yes, it's even theft when the state does it.

Jesus, by contrast, wanted us to share amongst ourselves willingly. Yes, a perfectly Christian society where everyone is all in and believing would look very close to socialist, but there would be no element of compulsion behind it and no state regulating it. People would be free to produce as they could and free to share what they needed to with their neighbors who, in turn, would share back (or trade). In a sense, it would be very close to free market, too. The difference is that no one would be worried about having to keep track of needing enough because if they fell short someone else would be happy to make up the difference for them knowing that when the time came, someone would help them in turn. All freely done with no worries.

The thing is that the perfect society of Jesus cannot exist today in this world. Human nature prevents it.

a reply to: ketsuko

Excellent points well made.

Nice to see some sanity posted on this thread.

It's sometimes been interesting to contemplate how the Millenial Reign of Christ will look in political etc. terms.

So many things will be different . . . but what, precisely.

There's a life after death of a former atheist posted about hereon . . . should track down the link. He claims that Christ or a Heavenly angel told him that the USA was in such rebellion against God that God was about ready to let the USA suffer the consequences of it's going its own way without God . . . to the quite possible result of having the population reduced to 10,000 or thereabouts.

But that God would set things to right at some not overly distant point . . . wherein food would grow from seed to maturity in a matter of minutes. And, that there was no technology. That's a bit mind boggling. He emphasized no technology--not just little--but no tech. Hard to imagine. A plow and a hoe are technology. But perhaps without weeds? . . . hmmmm.

A number of heavenly visitors have noted that the business of heaven besides worshiping God is to do good for others. Hard to imagine what kinds of good deeds for others would be attractive where all one's needs were met and enriching joys at hand in a diversity of ways.

Then there are those who've visited hell and have reported seeing Marx there. Certainly Almighty God was NOT HIS God. Hostility to God is not a good way to earn His favor.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: ImaFungi

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: ImaFungi

NOPE.

Marx was hostile to God, to Christ and to all Jesus stood for.

Marx championed satan and satan's values and goals.

Marx sought to exterminate those Christ owned as the Father's chosen tribal groups.

Falsely extrapolating nonsense from the Biblical record is not truth.

Nope, Jesus would have favored Marx over most. Jesus wanted tolerable life for all humans, Marx wanted tolerable life for all humans. Most cannot say the same of their ideals. Have you ever even read Marx?

There is a big, fundamental difference between Jesus and Marx - Marx claimed to want tolerable life for all humans as enforced by the state, so at the point of a gun which violates on of the big Commandments that Jesus still endorsed. You know, the one about not stealing. Yes, it's even theft when the state does it.

Jesus, by contrast, wanted us to share amongst ourselves willingly. Yes, a perfectly Christian society where everyone is all in and believing would look very close to socialist, but there would be no element of compulsion behind it and no state regulating it. People would be free to produce as they could and free to share what they needed to with their neighbors who, in turn, would share back (or trade). In a sense, it would be very close to free market, too. The difference is that no one would be worried about having to keep track of needing enough because if they fell short someone else would be happy to make up the difference for them knowing that when the time came, someone would help them in turn. All freely done with no worries.

The thing is that the perfect society of Jesus cannot exist today in this world. Human nature prevents it.

Private property is theft then. The state doesnt need to be a big bad man according to jesus or marx ideals... the average state of capitalist societies are just as powerful if not more then an ideal socialist society...