Remembering September Clues on 9-11, 2012

i offered some one a $ 10.000 bet on this today still awaiting an answer and i have not put a bet on in 25 years .

how do i know cgi was used and must have had thousands involved look up thread title //ten years after 9-11 the conspiracy theorists are still telling lies page 2 member spikeys comment to me .
thread //sept 11 th 2001 personal stories 10 yrs on page 7 tiger mountain ?? page 9 facchino page 14 manta 78 ..........and remember the 5 hours time differance or look for zagari /sphota page 6 nexusfarox/haweblue late / must all be idiots then .#
some people cannot see the wood for the trees but should remember that perspective is everything to a painter & long time before men had raised one stone on top of another or had clothes on their backs or a launguage to talk off there was always a painter going about his work even then and that work is still there for those who have eyes to see

reply to post by magickmaster


Since my area of expertise is psychology/sociology, I will address the actor. Others with far better technical knowledge of photography, flight, and engineering are members and can address the issues in their respective fields.

In looking at Gary Welz many things spring to mind. For example, in his interviews he says that he was in his apartment and heard planes go overhead. After that point there is a twist of logic done, by the purveyors of this theory, and they begin addressing the fact that he admits to having not seen an airplane. This is a total distortion of fact. Hearing and seeing are two different things.

But, for the sake of argument, let's go ahead and assume that Mr Welz has told more than one version of the story on public record. Even this would not be evidence of conspiracy or wrongdoing - as it is a known fact that memories are notoriously bad record keepers, particularly when highly stressful events are involved. We have a predisposition towards replaying traumatic moments in our minds over and over again... a process that leads to embellishment and alteration of the memory. Ask anyone with PTSD and they'll probably tell you what I tell you - my memory of the event that caused mine has changed drastically in the 28 years since it happened. I know this because I journal. And when I compare journal entries from different periods of my life, I can actually see the progression and change in the memory itself. So a man giving more than one version of a traumatizing event is normal. It just means he's been over analyzing it in his own thoughts.

Now, let's go one step further, and table the notion that Mr Welz is a flat out liar. Let's say that nothing he has said at all is true. What motive could he possible have? I can think of at least one, off the top of my head, that differs from your OP's version, and which makes more sense. He is an opportunistic sub-D-list actor who saw a shot at getting some media time. All exposure is good exposure... no such thing as bad press. Paydays are paydays. So - even if he's the spawn of Satan and the most vile person to ever live, that evil does not support your theory any more than it supports the one I just offered.

Critical thinking tells me that the most reasonable answer is the most likely answer. What's more reasonable? That:

1) A nobody D-list, video game actor is actually a holographic and CGI mastermind who helped to kill 3,000 people - and then actually risked it all by giving television and radio interviews???
2) He's a slightly opportunistic guy who was there on 9/11 and sought out press coverage - even as his own memories were shifting and maybe he spoke out line, deliberately or otherwise - in his pursuit to get some free publicity.
3) He's a total jerk who lied out of both sides of his mouth to try and further his career on the backs of 3,000 dead innocents.

My money says numbers 2 and 3 are far more likely than number one.

There's my modest, but fairly well informed and educated analysis of that aspect of your OP.

~Heff

reply to post by Hefficide


I would not call that a debunking, by any means. That is an attempt to discredit the source, that's all.

reply to post by magickmaster


Good thread, my friend.

reply to post by magickmaster


Exactly how does using deductive reasoning and basic logic count as "discrediting the source"? If your definition of "discredit" is "To show inconsistency", then by all means... But all I have done is show that there are alternative speculations about the facts that are just as, or more sound than those offered in the video.

The folks in the video speculated, so did I. And we arrived at different conclusions. Based upon that one reality, alone, the story in the OP is now as suspect as any other.

~Heff

19 Rector Street - Youtube it!

This is what got me first hooked on September Clues, when I learned that the video of the plane hitting the second tower was missing a crucial building. CRUCIAL because the building exists, but not in the video shown to us on the morning of 9-11.

PLEASE debunk that, if it's possible. $50,000 reward, if anyone can successfully debunk 19 Rector Street.

If a building exists in a certain location in reality, and it does not exist in a video taken of the crash, then which is real? If a HUGE building is MISSING ...it implies, or rather PROVES that the video is CGI, period!

I know people who worked in the towers. I joined empire bluecross in the summer of '02. at the first anniversary, they told me thier stories. people cut in half. bodies hitting the courtyard after a 70 story fall

the guy who trained me was smoking outside, and the real jet hit directly over his head, he saw the whole thing

it was real

who was behind it ? I don't know. but real jets killed real people

shame on you

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
I know people who worked in the towers. I joined empire bluecross in the summer of '02. at the first anniversary, they told me thier stories. people cut in half. bodies hitting the courtyard after a 70 story fall

the guy who trained me was smoking outside, and the real jet hit directly over his head, he saw the whole thing

it was real

who was behind it ? I don't know. but real jets killed real people

shame on you

No, the shame is ON YOU for believing what someone tells you instead of investigating it for yourself, which you never did. So, shame on YOU!

reply to post by Hefficide

The folks in the video speculated, so did I. And we arrived at different conclusions. Based upon that one reality, alone, the story in the OP is now as suspect as any other.

That doesn't make it a hoax, though. Actually the September Clues idea makes more sense to me than any others.

Originally posted by magickmaster

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
I know people who worked in the towers. I joined empire bluecross in the summer of '02. at the first anniversary, they told me thier stories. people cut in half. bodies hitting the courtyard after a 70 story fall

the guy who trained me was smoking outside, and the real jet hit directly over his head, he saw the whole thing

it was real

who was behind it ? I don't know. but real jets killed real people

shame on you

No, the shame is ON YOU for believing what someone tells you instead of investigating it for yourself, which you never did. So, shame on YOU!

what was your investigation, watching a video and believing it ?

having a soul so thin that you would post this today doesn't make you a critical thinker, it makes you desperate and pathetic

9-11 is probably the easiest conspiracy to figure out, much easier than JFK, or even the Moon Landings.
But when you throw in Hijackers, airliners, Arabs trained in flight schools, phone calls from airplanes, thermite, etc., it becomes very confusing.

But if you understand that the videos were not real, practically EVERYTHING ELSE starts to fall into place, when re-viewed.

The phone calls that Cheney made, the stand-down, all makes sense. Yes, of course he made that statement, because it supports the plane-hugger theory. How can Hijackers fly airliners with such precision, doing things pilots claim are impossible? It didn't have to happen, if it was really CGI...

How come so many people and movies previewed the towers being hit by planes? Then they train some arabs to actually pull it off, yet convincing them they are involved in a real war to begin with, being led every step of the way, and they fail to realize they are being led by CIA? How can it be? It makes perfect sense if there are NO hijackers, and that falls into place with the fact that some of them turned up, living simple lives in countries, and had no clue of their involvement in 9-11 or being on the wanted list.

It ALL makes sense, if no hijackers were really used at all, and it was all CGI, and fake videos, constructed by the MEDIA, and those controlling them, at the top.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest

Originally posted by magickmaster

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
I know people who worked in the towers. I joined empire bluecross in the summer of '02. at the first anniversary, they told me thier stories. people cut in half. bodies hitting the courtyard after a 70 story fall

the guy who trained me was smoking outside, and the real jet hit directly over his head, he saw the whole thing

it was real

who was behind it ? I don't know. but real jets killed real people

shame on you

No, the shame is ON YOU for believing what someone tells you instead of investigating it for yourself, which you never did. So, shame on YOU!

what was your investigation, watching a video and believing it ?

having a soul so thin that you would post this today doesn't make you a critical thinker, it makes you desperate and pathetic

edit on 11-9-2012 by syrinx high priest because: (no reason given)

Name calling will get you nowhere, but thrown out. (Hopefully)

reply to post by greenWeenie


To be clear, since it was falsely tabled by another member - I did not move this thread to the hoax bin.

~Heff

Originally posted by magickmaster

Name calling will get you nowhere, but thrown out. (Hopefully)

so what was your research ? watching videos ?

only sheep watch a video and believe it

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baaaaaa

reply to post by AfterInfinity


hi...after....what's up, babe....be positive about these thread responses, not so much a heavy....be more like me...easy going understanding and refuse to be a victim of these times,,hail...we got government gone wild and logic thrown out the window. we need you ....so be a talker. not so much a jumper

Originally posted by geobro
i offered some one a $ 10.000 bet on this today still awaiting an answer and i have not put a bet on in 25 years .

how do i know cgi was used and must have had thousands involved look up thread title //ten years after 9-11 the conspiracy theorists are still telling lies page 2 member spikeys comment to me .
thread //sept 11 th 2001 personal stories 10 yrs on page 7 tiger mountain ?? page 9 facchino page 14 manta 78 ..........and remember the 5 hours time differance or look for zagari /sphota page 6 nexusfarox/haweblue late / must all be idiots then .#
some people cannot see the wood for the trees but should remember that perspective is everything to a painter & long time before men had raised one stone on top of another or had clothes on their backs or a launguage to talk off there was always a painter going about his work even then and that work is still there for those who have eyes to see

yip nobody has ever come back to play with me on this one nobody

Originally posted by syrinx high priest

Originally posted by magickmaster

Name calling will get you nowhere, but thrown out. (Hopefully)

so what was your research ? watching videos ?

only sheep watch a video and believe it

baaaaaa

baaaaaa

calm down boys & girls this is what got these threads shut down ???

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