Pat Robertson Wife Beating Advice

reply to post by Wertdagf

no. its his fault.

reply to post by Wertdagf


Religion doesn't *DO* anything. PEOPLE do. People USE religion for good and for bad. Pat Robertson uses it for greed. He is an idiot.

Religion is not at fault. Those who use it for their own gain, are.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Seems like a lot of social and cultural problems stem directly from believing and following religious texts.

Originally posted by RockHarder
What you did was, you saw someone attacking Christianity and the bible and you decided to turn things around and make Islam the bad guy.

But it wasn´t about Islam at all, it was about Christians. A bit dishonest don´t you think?

You conveniently (I won't stoop to say "dishonestly", lol,) cut this little bit out of the original post that NOTurTypical was responding to:

Its not his fault... religion has done this to him.

In your world, is Christianity the only religion?

I'll also point out that NOTurTypical missed another author of religious texts with a fondness for young girls -- Joseph Smith.

reply to post by RockHarder


Yes, but PEOPLE follow and believe religious texts. (I do not).

Religion is benign (just like a gun on the table) until SOMEONE picks it up and starts killing people with it.

Religion doesn't kill people. People do. What they use doesn't matter to me. Just my opinion.

We can't blame religion for this man's actions any more than we can blame the gun for the killer's actions.

reply to post by adjensen


Right. Totally irrelevant.

Its not his fault... religion has done this to him

In your world, is Christianity the only religion?

No it is not. Is Pat Robertson anyting else but a Christian? Was that qoute not about Robert Patterson? Therefore, was it not about Christianity?

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Such nonsense. When people follow religious texts and cause unwanted situations when doing so, it is not the religion that plays a big part in it?

Are these people following their own thoughts and ideas or are they applying religious notions they were taught to follow?

Does a gun talk to people and tell them what rules to follow?

Bad comparison.

reply to post by RockHarder


So, rather than being the only religion, you simply believe that Christianity is the only religion that should be criticized?

Saying that Christianity can be faulted because of the statements of some random guy 2,000 years on, but Islam or Mormonism cannot be faulted because of the actions of their founders is irrational.

reply to post by RockHarder

Originally posted by RockHarder
Such nonsense. When people follow religious texts and cause unwanted situations when doing so, it is not the religion that plays a big part in it?

Of course religion "plays a part". The part of the tool. It is not, however, responsible. I believe in personal responsibility. To blame religion is like blaming a pen for something you write.

Are these people following there own thoughts and ideas or are they applying religious notions they were taught to follow?

Actually, many do USE religion to further their own opinions. Pat Robertson is clearly a nutjob, using the bible to support a man beating his wife. Not because the bible says it's a good thing, but because he is a WHACK-job!

Does a gun talk to people and tell them what rules to follow?

No, PEOPLE do. People preach their interpretation of religion and other PEOPLE follow.

reply to post by adjensen



I am not talking about different religions, their morals and their mutual relationships.

I am saying that that one poster was clearly talking about a Christian, and that another Christian turned the focus to Islam.

That's all I was saying.

I have a dislike for all religions, in case you are wondering.

Originally posted by RockHarder
reply to post by adjensen

 

I am not talking about different religions, their morals and their mutual relationships.

I am saying that that one poster was clearly talking about a Christian, and that another Christian turned the focus to Islam.

So you would have preferred that NOTurTypical instead cite the two billion or so Christians who are not Pat Robertson, and do not make stupid statements like him? Does that vindicate Christianity?

I have a dislike for all religions, in case you are wondering.

I have no interest in what you believe.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

Of course religion "plays a part". The part of the tool. It is not, however, responsible. I believe in personal responsibility. To blame religion is like blaming a pen for something you write.

You seem to be naive deliberately in order to justify your own religious position.

It is clear that religion has a great influence on people and the way they think. I think that this has been proven historically and you can still see this today.

Actually, many do USE religion to further their own opinions. Pat Robertson is clearly a nutjob, using the bible to support a man beating his wife. Not because the bible says it's a good thing, but because he is a WHACK-job!

The point is that one could consider a lot of religious people "whack jobs", and these people always seem to be accepted by the religious communities they represent.

Religion breeds fundamentalism.

No, PEOPLE do. People preach their interpretation of religion and other PEOPLE follow.

In the end, the individual is always responible for his own actions, but to deny the influence of religion on people is extremely naive, bordering dishonesty and idiocy.

reply to post by adjensen

So you would have preferred that NOTurTypical instead cite the two billion or so Christians who are not Pat Robertson, and do not make stupid statements like him? Does that vindicate Christianity?

Ok, I was going to say this in my previous post but decided not to. I will now. Your reading comprehension skills suck.

Again, my only point was that he shifted criticism of a Christian onto Islam.

I have no interest in what you believe.

You are asking me questions about my stance, aren't you?

I merely pointed out that I'm not out to get Christianity in particular, or sticking up for Islam. Off course, statements like that make you mad.

Damn atheists, right?

Originally posted by RockHarder

I merely pointed out that I'm not out to get Christianity in particular, or sticking up for Islam. Off course, statements like that make you mad.

Why would it make me mad? I'm not an evangelist, I truly do not care what you believe.

reply to post by RealSpoke


Thank God he didn't win as a candidate. I abhor people who are stupid! And he is a STUPID person. Such a shame all those people sending him their $$$$.

reply to post by adjensen

I have no interest in what you believe.

Well, I detected some irritation there.

reply to post by RockHarder


How is that dishonest? The comment the member made was very arbitrary and ambiguous. In fact it fits Islam, Muhammad freely admits to getting a chub over a 9 year old girl. I can't think of a single author of the Bible that had raped a child or been accused of raping a child. Therefore, that leaves only Muhammad as the only religious text author who is a confirmed child rapist.

Originally posted by RockHarder
reply to post by adjensen

 

Right. Totally irrelevant.

Its not his fault... religion has done this to him

In your world, is Christianity the only religion?

No it is not. Is Pat Robertson anyting else but a Christian? Was that qoute not about Robert Patterson? Therefore, was it not about Christianity?

edit on 11-9-2012 by RockHarder because: (no reason given)

How does it 'fit Christianity'? Who authored a NT text that was a 'child rapist'? By extension, which OT author was a 'child-rapist' or accused of being one? Who? I'm only aware of Muhammad as an author of a religious text who was a child-rapist, and as Adj points out apparently Joseph Smith.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


It would have been honest if you had just said that no Christian text was ever written by alleged child rapists.

Instead you said, "That's true, Muhammed had the hots for a 9 year old girl."

Since the subject was Christianity, it is not true.

How does it 'fit Christianity'? Who authored a NT text that was a 'child rapist'? By extension, which OT author was a 'child-rapist' or accused of being one? Who? I'm only aware of Muhammad as an author of a religious text who was a child-rapist, and as Adj points out apparently Joseph Smith.

Didn't I just explain it in the post you qouted and responded to?

Pat Robertson is a Christian. The other poster responded to what he said. One can deduct that his remark was aimed at Christian scripture.

I have to say we are discussing semantics here.

Robertson is really 'off' .. has been for years. He should retire.
That being said .. was he just making a really bad joke? What's the full context??
Either way .. him being serious or telling a bad joke ... it was wrong and he should
just move to 'The Villages' or something ... and lead a quiet retired life ...

** that's not a slam on 'The Villages' ... they look like a nice place for folks to
retire and to keep busy (and keeping busy keeps people out of trouble ..
something Pat Robertson needs to do!)