Hubble has spotted an ancient galaxy that shouldn't exist

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This article talks about Hubble discovery of an old Galaxy about 10.7 billion years old that scientists say it simply shouldn't exist.

This galaxy is so large, so fully-formed, astronomers say it shouldn't exist at all. It's called a "grand-design" spiral galaxy, and unlike most galaxies of its kind, this one is old. Like, really, really old. According to a new study conducted by researchers using NASA's Hubble Telescope, it dates back roughly 10.7-billion years — and that makes it the most ancient spiral galaxy we've ever discovered.

The source is dated Jul 19 of this year.

Originally posted by TheEnlightenedOne
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This article talks about Hubble discovery of an old Galaxy about 10.7 billion years old that scientists say it simply shouldn't exist.

This galaxy is so large, so fully-formed, astronomers say it shouldn't exist at all. It's called a "grand-design" spiral galaxy, and unlike most galaxies of its kind, this one is old. Like, really, really old. According to a new study conducted by researchers using NASA's Hubble Telescope, it dates back roughly 10.7-billion years — and that makes it the most ancient spiral galaxy we've ever discovered.

The source is dated Jul 19 of this year.

makes you wonder how old the universe actually is.

Why shouldn't it exist. Are we humans the smartest people on earth and know everything about everything?

I guess we keep learning that we know nothing. Eventually it will all come back to grand design not accidental start.

NASA is finding "new" older galaxies all the time, I want them to disclose something with some meat on it!

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Why shouldn't it exist.

Because our current models say so.

Are we humans the smartest people on earth

umm.. yes. There are no other kind of people on Earth.

and know everything about everything?

Who suggested that?

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Why shouldn't it exist. Are we humans the smartest people on earth and know everything about everything?

I guess we keep learning that we know nothing. Eventually it will all come back to grand design not accidental start.

Does every single scientific discovery have to come down to a creationist argument? ... ... ... If creationism is where the roads lead, then I'd like to think science will tick that box when we get there.

By 'shouldn't exist', it shouldn't exist by our understanding and that's awesome! Now we get to learn more stuff.

It's actually quite simple: We KNOW nothing!!!!

We have just come to believe various guesses.

Belief grows exponentially. First a few believe, then its 10's.. 100's... 1000's BOOM everyone believes, but it is all still just guesses.



Like God, Big Bang, etc....

Apparently we noticed radioactive decay of isotopes that we had all mapped out have been changing over the last decade. This means our whole perception of time in relation to how old things are no longer can be trusted. This universe is OLD!!!

Much older than we ever thought.

this just basically proves that humans have absolutely no clue about the universe around them. We are still monkeys in caves staring at the weird spooky lights in the sky. Maybe we should sacrafice a virgin to appease them

Originally posted by TheEnlightenedOne
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This article talks about Hubble discovery of an old Galaxy about 10.7 billion years old that scientists say it simply shouldn't exist.

Yet they run simulations having something to do with "gravity" which seems to be the cause:

So how does a galaxy that shouldn't exist come to be? The researchers think the answer may have something to do with a companion dwarf galaxy looming near BX442 (in the image up top, it's the separate circular cluster in the upper right). Simulations conducted by University of Arizona researcher Charlotte Christenson indicate that gravitation interactions between the two, which she says appear to be in the process of colliding, may have helped BX442 take shape.

"gravitation interactions"? Is that caused by gravity? What the heck is that? Some kind of new discovery?

It doesn't sound all that mysterious when they say "gravitation interactions" account for it. As we keep discovering new galaxies, at some point we will find the oldest well-formed galaxy. There may be even older ones we haven't discovered yet. Now if they are unable to explain their formation with simulations, then I'd find it as attention grabbing as the headline, but since they did model it using gravity, I can only conclude it's an attention grabbing headline. It's an interesting find to be sure, but if their simulation says it CAN exist, why does the headline appear to claim otherwise?

Answer: sensationalism.

Moral of the story: Read past attention-grabbing headlines if you want to know the real story.

I think everyone forgets that science especially physics astronomy and quantum physics are all mostly theoretical disciplines, hence the "big bang theory" , "string theory" as we have no solid proof of whats really happening or not a 100 per cent of the time anyway. I mean given different factors an variables in the universe so many things could occur and also keep in mind we have only just hit the tip of the icebergs as we get smarter and find better tools to explore these theories then we can truly begin to understand the solidity of these theories and if they hold any credibility at all until then its all up to calculated speculation isn't it ?

Originally posted by TheEnlightenedOne
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This article talks about Hubble discovery of an old Galaxy about 10.7 billion years old that scientists say it simply shouldn't exist.

This galaxy is so large, so fully-formed, astronomers say it shouldn't exist at all. It's called a "grand-design" spiral galaxy, and unlike most galaxies of its kind, this one is old. Like, really, really old. According to a new study conducted by researchers using NASA's Hubble Telescope, it dates back roughly 10.7-billion years — and that makes it the most ancient spiral galaxy we've ever discovered.

The source is dated Jul 19 of this year.

Gee, what a shocker, another "surprise" for scientists. That seems to be happening a lot lately, and yet some here on ATS would have you believe that today's scientists know almost everything - when in fact that is the opposite of the truth.

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I love it.

And supposedly this galaxy shouldn't contain any intelligent life because we are the only special ones in this universe.

And supposedly those intelligent beings couldn't possibly be more evolved than us.

Get real people. Our planet is playing host to intergalactic visitors because they can. This galaxy is so old, imagine the races of beings that could potentially have lived and died there.

Originally posted by LightAssassin
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I love it.

And supposedly this galaxy shouldn't contain any intelligent life because we are the only special ones in this universe.

And supposedly those intelligent beings couldn't possibly be more evolved than us.

Get real people. Our planet is playing host to intergalactic visitors because they can. This galaxy is so old, imagine the races of beings that could potentially have lived and died there.

Exactly... that was my first thought when reading the age of this galaxy.

We've been around for a little while compared to this big guy. It would be unthinkable to me that that galaxy shouldn't be the home of at-least a couple intelligent races or entities.

I know it's been said again and again, but I do feel like we are on the verge of stepping up a bit in the universal ranking list. Our scientists might still be oblivious blobs, but we are slowly getting there where we might be involved in what could be an interesting future taking us out amongst the stars.

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Nice! thanks for sharing!

The farther out we see the more we will find the universe has always been.

The Rat.

What is this garbage? How can they know the age of a galaxy that is across the universe? This is just baloney. Time doesn't even exist objectively so one could say this galaxy is 1 second old and they would be correct.

I will put my chips on the Maya....they say its 16 billion years old.....The universe is then 16 billion years old....they didn't tend to be wrong with time. They were time masters....and that is what they say...so....that should be our model...or we could try and be as precise with time as they were...

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exactly.....well said.

Originally posted by Pinke

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Why shouldn't it exist. Are we humans the smartest people on earth and know everything about everything?

I guess we keep learning that we know nothing. Eventually it will all come back to grand design not accidental start.

By 'shouldn't exist', it shouldn't exist by our understanding and that's awesome! Now we get to learn more stuff.

That "Shouldn't exist" is just arrogant and stupid, regardless who said it. Earth was not flat and universe has no limits last time I checked.

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Why shouldn't it exist. Are we humans the smartest people on earth and know everything about everything?

I guess we keep learning that we know nothing. Eventually it will all come back to grand design not accidental start.

hopefully we are smarter than those *other* humans.

humans know nothing, but if makes them feel safer to think they do

I love how the know-nothings point to scientists' new discoveries as proof that they don't know what they are talking about.

Think about it, if we knew it all, we wouldn't need science, would we?