United States Will Become A Third World Country Overnight. Real Unemployment 22%

Europe HAS to spend to defend itself further,

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The UK like the US is withdrawing forces from Continental Europe. Most will be out of Germany atleast by 2020, and I doubt Germany will be bending over backwards to fill the gap of all that materiel and tens of thousands of troops.

The USSR doesn't actually exist anymore.

Originally posted by zero1020
Do you know what would fix this entire debt crisis? If the major players around the world agreed to forgive all debts and start the cycle again. Sure millions would lose their so called "valuables" but at least the world won't rip itself apart. After the shock is over people will be able to lend and borrow again to create businesses.

I've always wondered why we carry the debt of previous generations on our shoulders.

Lending and borrowing is not what creates business. People producing needed goods (emphasis on needed) and necessary services (emphasis on necessary) is what creates business. Borrowing and lending is what creates a bubble, like what we have now. It did not happen by accident. It was well-planned hundreds of years ago, if not longer.

Usury is at the root of the crisis we face today, and so few are willing to see that.

I suggest a couple of videos for you if you don't know how the money system works. Don't worry, the script for the first one is taken in great part right out of the Federal Reserve publication "Modern Money Mechanics". A true answer to the global financial crisis is linked in my sig, if you are inclined to read it.

The first video covers the basics. The second is much more in-depth. Both should be required viewing in Home Economics class in High School.

Enjoy!

So then... what do we DO? When will it happen? A year? Six months?

I started getting a real bad feeling that I just couldn't shake back in January of 2010. I started looking on the web and came across all kinds of prepper stuff. I don;t know where the bad feeling came from. I was utterly clueless until then. I beleived everything the government told me. Except 9/11. The very day that happened Ithough Ismelled a rat. Withing a couple of hours they suspected Bin Ladin. I thought "what, they already know"? Can';t be...
So, I store 6 months or so of high quality food (grassfed beef, coconut oil and milk etc). I learned to render my own beef tallow. I took most of my money out of stocks. I put a lot in silver and some in gold. I got my CCL and an old Mosin Nagant rifle witha scope. I practice with both. I have a rent house that's paid for, so I'm looking for a peice of property to apply the rent I receive to that property. This weekend I will finish a soloar power system that will power my freezer and fridge and some lights. No, it wasn't cheap at around $1,500, but I built it slowly over time. And now I've got it.

Threads like this are great for education. But we all need to know how to ACT on it....

And what's more, Ihave a relative that works for DHS. He's one of the good guys. He knows something's coming. He's storing food and water too...

So... what are you DOING in respose to all this that we know is coming?

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So then... what do we DO? When will it happen? A year? Six months?

Well, as long as monetizing our own debt is the apparent plan and printing money until we run out of paper to print it on or the presses wear out for good, whichever comes first is the action being taken...then I don't see how we avoid this eventually:

4. Germany, Oct. 1923
Highest monthly inflation: 29,500%
Prices doubled every: 3.7 days

The German papiermark, which was introduced in 1914 when the country's gold standard was eliminated, began with an exchange rate of 4.2 per US dollar at the outbreak of WWI up to 1 million per US dollar in August 1923. By November, that number had skyrocketed to about 238 million papiermark to 1 US dollar, and a psychological disorder called "Zero Stroke" was coined, after people were forced to transact in the hundreds of billions for every day items and were dizzied by the amount of zeros involved.

he rapid inflation caused the government to issue a redenomination, thus replacing the papiermark with the rentenmark, exchanging at a rate of 4.2 per US dollar and cutting 12 zeros off of the papiermark's face value.

Source


The bit goes on to say the re-denomination saved the Weimar republic...for awhile..but the trauma the ordeal put the nation through left them in the mental position to enthusiastically bring Adolph Hitler to power, based on his initial appearance of the great healer and economic genius to make everything okay again.

The link there is of a slideshow set that covers a number of the worst hyperinflation events in history with a brief cap of the stats, how it started, what caused it and how it all eventually ended up. Included are Hungary, Zimbabwe, Yugoslavia and others. It's a depressing read but a decent idea of what happens when the supply or management of Government finances departs from the economic laws of reality. There are consequences, they are brutal and it's just the way the system works..when stupid happens for extended periods.

Originally posted by Common Good
Maybe that is their entire plan....

Crash the Economy in order to revive it?

The Federal Reserve Act itself states, "Should a Federal Reserve bank be dissolved or go into liquidation, any surplus remaining, after the payment of all debts, dividend requirements as hereinbefore provided, and the par value of the stock, shall be paid to and become the property of the United States...”

That's a bloodless coup for outright socialism if there ever was one. I don't know if the motivation is to revive it, so much as own it entirely.

EDIT: In case I am mis-interpreting that clause, I will go back and look for context on the word "surplus."

So between this, the ownership of all U.S. stocks by "Cede & Company," the executive orders allowing the State to take ownership of productive resources, and the alleged ownership of certificates of manufacturing and birth certificates by the Federal Reserve, it looks like they have everything of value within U.S. borders tied up in a nice little package. Would anybody care to add some insight to this if I'm getting it wrong?

In the revolutionary war, Americans were up in arms over about 1% of what you face today, the stamp tax

Now you face 1000% more injustices, and you have a founding document that literally authorizes you all to take action and make a change

Only a fraction of Americans fought in the revolutionary war, against the mightiest empire of the time, and won. That was even with losing many of the battles

That is because weapons cannot win against a powerful idea

The longer delayed, the more the noose tightens around your necks

I agree with Alex Jones in this, that men today have become incredibly domesticated compared to their predecessors

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In Deuteronomy15 the seventh year is the year for canceling debts.

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I actually did a thread on this very thing in terms of Revolution in the United States. My general feeling is that attempting it won't happen in any serious way and if it were tried, it wouldn't last long. Not long at all. Who would start it?

Of those groups who are large and well organized enough to consider it...which would you follow and give allegiance to? The Panthers? Aryan Nations? Occupy? Black Bloc? It's real questionable if any of them could do it in even a starting way, but no one is any better or closer....and that's kinda the point here. Whoever tried to start it, won't live long enough to know if they succeeded or not. I don't see a line of Americans qued for that particular job.

Change that doesn't outright destroy the nation, must come from within...and as cynical as some are on saying voting is for fools.....choosing to cede the whole system to the criminals running it is what I find foolish. We can't change a thing from the outside, looking in. The Hippies learned it in the 60's and now they run the nation. Two sides can play. It just takes TIME...and no one has a pinch of patience anymore.

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Wow- that is a lot to swallow(like she said)- and may I add that I believe what you just hinted at deserves a thread of its own

Great detective work.

So basically what you are saying is- if our economy crashes- all assets leftover will become sole property of the US.
Which includes what exactly? What about our debts to other nations and such?
I will see if I can find anymore info on this and hopefully post my findings.

Good job

Edit- can you also point me out to which clause you are speaking of? thanks.

Thanks for posting those figures, I was just thinking today about the unemployment numbers and remembering that they didn't include disgruntled workers.

Also, for all of you who want the U.S. economy to collapse, it won't be very pretty for the common citizen. However - look at Iceland, which allowed its major banks to fail and arrested its corrupt bankers - it is now better off.