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Originally posted by Expat888
ahh.. but then they'd lose out on all that grant money and would have to get real jobs where they'd have to actually work to earn money...
Originally posted by Trublbrwing
As the number, and severity, of changes in our climate, ecosystem and skies increase, I am shocked by the lack of credible answers coming from the scientific community. Instead of sending teams to Greenland, where we lost the ice sheet in four days time, they are under the ground in Switzerland and France, looking for the "God" particle.
As a summer full of the usual scientific conferences comes to a close, a review of the proceedings reveals no answers, just more requests for funding. They know the Earth is changing rapidly, they just need 30 more sensors to measure how much. A review of the abstracts from the International Symposium on Space Geodesy and Earth Sciences, which just wrapped up in China, explains this silence. Page after page of important issues, worthy of immediate attention, are discussed, all need more study, more funding. My personal favorite is a study on the Dead Sea, apparently after much study they have determined the surface of that Sea rises as the water above it evaporates! Shocking.
After reviewing, and in disgust writing off, the entire summer as more of the same, I did a check to see if the first week of September offered any hope. I wish I had not as the first study I saw, and no, this is not a joke, was about the rate at which HARD CANDY dissolves in your mouth, including graphs.
physicsforme.wordpress.com...
Start demanding some answers, start asking questions, and perhaps this nonsense will stop.
edit on 9-9-2012 by Trublbrwing because: broken link
Originally posted by ZeuZZ
Science evolves. As we do. I doubt you could read any paper published in any scientific journal that disagrees with anything said in any post here.
Even scientists that were 99% sure about [x] are now openly saying they are only 50% sure about [x] things now, due to new data they used to be a lot more certain about.
That is the difference between science and religion.
Science changes it's views due to what's observed.
Faith is the denial of evidence so that faith can be preserved.
Most scientists long ago left the bandwagon of corporate greed and pollution, we only have a few stragglers left in our midst.
edit on 10-9-2012 by ZeuZZ because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by LittleBlackEagle
Originally posted by ZeuZZ
Science evolves. As we do. I doubt you could read any paper published in any scientific journal that disagrees with anything said in any post here.
Even scientists that were 99% sure about [x] are now openly saying they are only 50% sure about [x] things now, due to new data they used to be a lot more certain about.
That is the difference between science and religion.
Science changes it's views due to what's observed.
Faith is the denial of evidence so that faith can be preserved.
Most scientists long ago left the bandwagon of corporate greed and pollution, we only have a few stragglers left in our midst.
edit on 10-9-2012 by ZeuZZ because: (no reason given)
if truth were a fire you would be in the ocean with that comment.
most scientists are bank rolled by the same corporate greed that bankrolls our elected officials and government agencies.
Originally posted by all2human
The Canadian government has done just that,cutting environmental research in areas that may affect there agenda..
PM Harper is accused of pushing through a slew of policies weakening or abolishing environmental protections – with an aim of expanding development of natural resources such as the Alberta tar sands,so they can clear the way for a pipe-line to the USA.
In short they will NOT tell us,because THEY WON'T KNOW..
www.guardian.co.uk...
Originally posted by Druscilla
Originally posted by Trublbrwing
As the number, and severity, of changes in our climate, ecosystem and skies increase, I am shocked by the lack of credible answers coming from the scientific community. Instead of sending teams to Greenland, where we lost the ice sheet in four days time, they are under the ground in Switzerland and France, looking for the "God" particle.
As a summer full of the usual scientific conferences comes to a close, a review of the proceedings reveals no answers, just more requests for funding. They know the Earth is changing rapidly, they just need 30 more sensors to measure how much. A review of the abstracts from the International Symposium on Space Geodesy and Earth Sciences, which just wrapped up in China, explains this silence. Page after page of important issues, worthy of immediate attention, are discussed, all need more study, more funding. My personal favorite is a study on the Dead Sea, apparently after much study they have determined the surface of that Sea rises as the water above it evaporates! Shocking.
After reviewing, and in disgust writing off, the entire summer as more of the same, I did a check to see if the first week of September offered any hope. I wish I had not as the first study I saw, and no, this is not a joke, was about the rate at which HARD CANDY dissolves in your mouth, including graphs.
physicsforme.wordpress.com...
Start demanding some answers, start asking questions, and perhaps this nonsense will stop.
edit on 9-9-2012 by Trublbrwing because: broken link
Here's an idea:
Change your career path, get your PhD in the appropriate relevant scienceS (emphasis on the 's' since you'll need more than one specialization), and get to work on solving this planetary problem that some seem overly concerned about, yet essentially powerless to do anything in regard to it.
If you've got your Bachelor's already, then at most you're looking at another 8 years for the PhD., and since you'll be applying yourself to multiple concentrations, you can probably have all your bases covered in 12 years.
12 years is nothing on the geological scale, so, have at it. The Earth will 'wait' kinda, for you to get your degree on.
Things to consider while working out how to solve the planetary 'problem':
1. The Solar Cycle, so, you'll need some astrophysics as it relates to how the huge fusion reacotr that our star is works.
2. The Carbon Cycle as it relates to carbon dioxide build up (a green house gas) and and how oceans play a part in recycling carbon dioxide that works in a larger cycle dealing with ...
3. Ice Age cycles
4. Then, there's also the Milankovich Cycles that also need be accounted for.
and that's just a small part of it.
It's a pretty complex problem dipping into many several specializations, none having the whole picture.
edit on 10-9-2012 by Druscilla because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Iamschist
For every question we answer we get at least 5 more. You act as if you think Science is the answer for everything, or there is some sort of magic bullet that if we could just find it would fix all the problems with the climate. Climate is out of our control, always was, always will be. Adjust.
"It was more like a Sunday afternoon project," says Andreas Windisch. "When we got the results, we decided to put it into a paper and send a draft to a educational journal to use it as a nice example for school classes," he says.
Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by Trublbrwing
I think you're being short sighted in only looking at the past few hundred thousand years.
Broaden your view into the tens of millions of years timescale.
Consider we once had an atmosphere thick and dense enough to support dragonflies with 3ft wingspans.
Consider we once had a climate hot enough that there essentially wasn't a winter (as we know it) for millions of years.
Short sighted humans.