Don't attack Iran, Russia starkly warns Israel and U.S.

Oh, and guess what ? We have satellites that track every nuclear signature on the ground. So if something does happen with a dirty bomb or a detonated nuke-THEY WANT IT TO HAPPEN. You can see the radiation from the eye in the sky so there should be no fear about dirty bombs ect. Chemical weapons or bioweapons Id be more afraid of.

Poor Iran. They are victims of their own lack of sophistication. They thought their battle with Israel was like shouting over the backyard fence at your neighbor. It's a shame that innocents have to die because of stupid, stupid leaders.

Originally posted by buster2010
If people were to stop and think for a minute even if Iran had a nuke they wouldn't use it on Israel. For one it would damage the Dome of the Rock which would really po the other Muslims of the world. And in a worst case scenario the fallout would reach Mecca and if that were to happen Israel and America would be the least of Iran's worries because over a billion Muslims would descend on their nation.

That is an understatement. And it would not just be Muslims, you can count on that. America and Israel would cease to be.

Will the American 'blowhards' continue with the arrogant machoness?

Im sure.

Originally posted by ceranko
I'm so sick of the US and Isreal wanting to attack Iran. I mean really, we have so many nuclear weapons we could decimate anyone who attacked us. With our tech we can take anything they put in the sky out of commission before it leaves their countries airspace. I wish WE would get off the bandwagon of going to war about what ifs. If the people in charge wanted to make the world a better place we could do it. Unfortunately politicians and religious fanatics are mentally retarded and their ruling the world. Way to go humans. Sometimes I really admire the jungle dwellers in the amazon. Makes me want to move to micronesia and live on an island so I can really live life instead of being a corporate media fed slave to the system. Our race is screwed unless we get off this planet and find new ones to colonize.

Do you really want to know why things are the way they are?

Let me tell you. Look around the US, and what do you see? Or any Western Country for that matter?

Or what do you not see?

What would you see if the American playing field was leveled with the rest of the World?

What if Gas in the US was the same cost as the rest of the World(if you think it is, you need to leave the country more)

What is food prices were? Or anything else for that matter?

Do you know why we invade Countries for cheap oil and resources?

It is to keep propped up the "illusion" that is the "United States of America".

That is the will of the People, and Government knows it.

The American People would sacrifice their own children to demons if it meant a comfy life.

Americans have already done that over and over again throughout History.

So I ask you. Are you willing to live in poverty, and have nothing, and give up all your comforts, so that the US can stop invading others, manipulating others, etc, so that this comfy life can be had?

Because that is the alternative. Poverty. Having nothing.

If you dont really truly believe that, then you dont know what is going on. Sorry. You just dont know how broke your Country really is now do you?

None of you do, and none of you truly want a solution to this, because of what that means. Poverty. Having nothing. Etc.

Do you know that the only reason the economy is still standing is because of the Government funded, and run, drug trade?

You know this right?

One reason why marijuana will NEVER be legalized. The only reason at this point. It being illegal is one of the only things holding your economy afloat, and the money made from both sales of it, and prosecution. Both of which the Government has the monopoly on and over.

So if you really want to keep your job. Your house. Your kids. Etc, you will also fall in line, and start your war drums, and get behind the ONLY thing America can produce. WAR.

Its either that or the sewer for all of you. And I already know what the majority in this Country, which choice, they have chosen.

reply to post by HermitShip


I have to say I disagree with your point of view on why America is the way it is. I understand what you are saying and I know the problems are very serious in the US, but the real reason America has to do the things it does to maintain its standard of living is that the top level of the society is insane.

I'm not joking or speaking figuratively. They are clinically insane and their symptoms, paranoia, extreme greed and extreme murderous sociopathy should be classified in the DSM and given a name.

Part of America's problem is that too many people believe that their standard of living depends on war. That is the line of baloney they have been fed by their country's war mongers.

This class of people regularly loots the US treasury, hides trillions of dollars in offshore accounts and assets and avoids tax.

Just recently the Canadian finance minister took big business to task in this country and told them to stop sitting on their cash and to invest in enterprise in this country. The same thing is undoubtedly going on in the United States.

But what are you going to do when the richest class in the country are murdering paranoic sociopathic lunatics?

reply to post by ipsedixit

Just recently the Canadian finance minister took big business to task in this country and told them to stop sitting on their cash and to invest in enterprise in this country. The same thing is undoubtedly going on in the United States. But what are you going to do when the richest class in the country are murdering paranoic sociopathic lunatics?

Wait up. If you would accept the possibility politicians in the US are bought and lock stock and pork fat by the 'richest class', then I suggest the situation in Canadian politics would hardly be any different.

Politicians must look as though they are doing the job they are elected to do, the system must seem to be democratic. In reality big business is far beyond the control of the Canadian Finance Minister.
BTW The Japanese Finance Minister, Mr Matsu#a, committed suicide the other day. He came into power on the promise he was going to clean up big business. Up until now he was supposedly investigating insider trading in Nomura Holdings Inc.

Finance ministers/politicians are at the beck and call of big business. That is the reality of the situation. Perhaps the Japanese Finance Minister actually believed he was powerful enough to exact the kind of concessions from big business in Japan enough to satisfy public opinion and maintain his public position. These days no politician can actually do that. They usually just go through the pretense of doing so. Or face a fate akin to the kind suffered by Matsu#a san.

reply to post by GrinchNoMore


When we lock up every rapper and musician in this country, get back to me.

Hey here's a novel idea: Everybody stop attacking anybody! These wars aren't about righting wrongs and making the world a safer place, they are about empire expansion, power, money. All dishonourable reasons for using violence against other living creatures.

I suggest anyone who wasn't alive during the cold war to remember it (born after 1989) who take lightly the prospect of a nuclear exchange of any kind between any country, download or rent a movie called 'Threads'. It's a movie that was made in 1984 and attempts to create the Geo-political situation leading up to a nuclear exchange and documents the effects, the aftermath and the years after a full scale nuclear exchange between the U.S.A. and the Soviet Union. The movie attempts to simulate many salvo's of THOUSANDS of medium to long range high yield nuclear weapons impacting large population centers. Be warned, it's quite psychologically disturbing and anyone with a "frail mental state" should not watch it.

Threads (U.K. 1984)

If it's illegal to post this important movie mods, please remove the link.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

It's nothing to do with nukes and everything to do with trying to topple their government so we can put one of our puppets in again

Right. Can't have a guy running around with his middle finger up in your direction right? Best demonize him and make up some bullshat story about him being the fracking antichrist and how he has wet dreams about global nuclear annihilation...

whatever.... yawn

Originally posted by Tallone
reply to post by ipsedixit

 

Just recently the Canadian finance minister took big business to task in this country and told them to stop sitting on their cash and to invest in enterprise in this country. The same thing is undoubtedly going on in the United States. But what are you going to do when the richest class in the country are murdering paranoic sociopathic lunatics?

Wait up. If you would accept the possibility politicians in the US are bought and lock stock and pork fat by the 'richest class', then I suggest the situation in Canadian politics would hardly be any different.

That is to a large extent true, I believe, but I don't think that people who realize this also realize the real nature of the relationship between these people, call them oligarchs, and the politicians they hire.

Politicians must look as though they are doing the job they are elected to do, the system must seem to be democratic.

Politicians must do the job they are both hired and elected to do.

In reality big business is far beyond the control of the Canadian Finance Minister.

Not at all. Finance ministers and other ministers with portfolios related to the economy are listened to carefully by the oligarchs. They are like the stewards to large estates. The lord of the manor, if he wishes to maintain the well being and profitability of his estate listens carefully to what his gardeners and stewards tell him. He may then choose to act or not on their advice, but to say that they have no control of him is far from the truth.

A good analogy to government ministers would be the commissioners of the major sports leagues, whose job is to be advocates for the health and well being of the league as a whole and to ride herd on the individual owners who are competitors amongst themselves.

BTW The Japanese Finance Minister, Mr Matsu#a, committed suicide the other day. He came into power on the promise he was going to clean up big business. Up until now he was supposedly investigating insider trading in Nomura Holdings Inc.

The Japanese case sounds more the exception than the rule.

Finance ministers/politicians are at the beck and call of big business. That is the reality of the situation.

I think that is overstating it. A national economy requires teamwork and some members of the team are very valuable people who can and do act like primadonnas from time to time, but to think that the stewards of the national economy have no influence with them is not correct.

Perhaps the Japanese Finance Minister actually believed he was powerful enough to exact the kind of concessions from big business in Japan enough to satisfy public opinion and maintain his public position.

The Japanese case sounds completely atypical, particularly for Japan where collegiality is the rule.

These days no politician can actually do that. They usually just go through the pretense of doing so. Or face a fate akin to the kind suffered by Matsu#a san.

I grant you that there is a huge amount of pretense and subterfuge in politics and that most privations and onerous exertions are "downloaded" to those least able to bear them, but politics is not as simple as you make it out to be. If you thought about it a little more, you would realize that. Bilderberg and Trilateral Commission meetings are not enough to settle the year's business in a national economy, let alone the economy of the world.

The extremely wealthy can, and I believe will, never be brought to heel, but there is hope that they can be brought to pay their taxes.

Elected government ministers can wield great power on behalf of oligarchs, but also against them if necessary. If government ministers convinced Americans that all the mansions in Rhode Island should be torn down tomorrow, in the interests of national security, it would be done before noon.

reply to post by ronnieray123


If you don't like Iranians then stay the hell away from their country, shouldn't be hard it's on the other side of the world.

reply to post by Jocko Flocko


That movie scared the bejesus out of me and even though I seen it years and years ago it left lasting images.

What makes it worse is my wife used to live and work there.

Thanks for bringing those images up again lol... Damn you

reply to post by ronnieray123


Also it is not like America has ever done anything like that....

Hypocrisy

You seem to forget about your own countries crimes. Just another bigot that doesn't know what he is talking about.

Anyone ever heard an Israeli sing a song in Parsi? Here your chance.

Rita

Originally posted by Todzer
reply to post by ronnieray123

 

If you don't like Iranians then stay the hell away from their country, shouldn't be hard it's on the other side of the world.

I would never step foot in a country like that, and would gladly leave their people to their own means. Sadly they refuse to let that happen.

Is it personally my fault that as much as I would like to go visit the great pyramids that I can not because there is reason for me to fear for my safety? A fear that Iran helps to bring about.

Can you tell me one case of a muslim coming to the USA to see the Grand Canyon, or to visit Disney World that ended up being blown up by one of my fellow Americans. I can surely give you instances of them doing that to us and others.
I know, I know, you are thinking "You can not blame others for the actions of a few", truth be told I can, and I do.
I see to much of it to be willing to take the chance. They have had plenty of time to stop it themselves and change how they are perceived....and have chosen not to.
Truth is people can not get away from them even if they wanted to, because they follow you to what ever place is "safe" and do their best to make you miserable there as well. Like cockroaches who hitch a ride in someones baggage and make a new home where they are not wanted.

The one thing I have going in my favor is human nature, in time enough will be enough and the masses will turn on them, and when it is too late they will wish they had acted differently. History has shown this repeated over and over. The only real difference between me and you is when that day occurs. For me it already happened and believe it or not it is just a matter of time for before you fall in line as well.

reply to post by ronnieray123


So it is ok for Americans to tell people on the other side of the world what to do but god forbid they have any response back. You seemed to have side stepped my other post, it is fine when America puts people in internment camps but when an American is taken that is when you get mad. You are showing yourself as a hateful person with absolutely no regard for human life. You can't visit the pyramids because of the Iranians? Either you do not know your geography or you are so racist that you cannot differentiate between countries, just hate in your heart.

The USA wants resources so we will attack whatever nation has them. It may only benefit the top tier but it still benefits us to a certain extent. If we didn't have a decent life here we would revolt and not provide the upper class with an army of volunteers.

The problem I have with this is that I do not like the lies told by the usa to its people to justify the invasion of other nations. Do not tell me it is because their government is "evil" because it is not. It is considered evil because it does not voluntarily give up its resources to the upper class.

I do however understand that they cannot come out and tell us that it is motivated only by resources because if they did we the people would expect to see more of the bounty. Since they make it seem like a humanitarian act to invade other nations instead of a fight for resources they can keep the spoils of war to themselves and then turn around and sell the crumbs to us.

pretty much the usa people are kept happy with a good standard of living to provide a volunteer army that will be the muscle for the upper class so they can attain more wealth in the name of humanitarian aid. Greed knows no limit so they begin to take from their own people and that will be their downfall.

The bad part is when this country falls the upper class will defect to whatever new country comes into power and the people of the USA will suffer for their crimes when other nations take out years of hatred out on us and not the people responsible.

I did not say it is fine for anyone to do anything, I was under the assumption we were discussing Iran here. If I am wrong then I apologize.
The Japanese people placed in internment camps was very wrong. If they were guilty of treason they should have had a day in court and either placed in prison or deported. I would prefer deportation because it is cheaper on the taxpayer.
That being said. it is a very typical response from a pacifist, leftist, progressive, liberal,,which ever you may be, to go off topic. How we got from Russia warning not to attack Iran yesterday, to an internment camp 75 years ago is a real humdinger.....but not unexpected.
I might give it more value if you could point out a pattern of this happening here. Japanese in WWII, Koreans during the Korean war, Vietnamese during that war.......but the truth is you can't say that. Did you see muslims getting rounded up during the Gulf Wars??
I applaud your effort, but I am not a 19yo eager to soak in whatever someone wants them to believe.
Peace is never negotiated, it is forced on the losing side on the terms of the victorious. This works real well when allowed to act out unimpeded. Look at Japan or Germany today, they are fine modern examples of the good that results when others are not allowed to interfere.
The only shame I carry as an American is that my country does not go around the world with a heavy hand and do for Arab and African nations what it did for Germany and Japan.