How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? OR, Dorthy I don't think we are in Kansas anymore.

How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? OR, Dorthy I don't think we are in Kansas anymore.

Is there a conspiracy to emasculate men?

"I wouldn't want my daughter punished with a baby," Obama, must have read her book.


Shulamith Firestone
RIP futurist Shulamith Firestone, who hailed artificial wombs and cybernetics as tools of liberation

Never heard of her until today, so I thought I would do some research.

In 1970, at the age of 25, Firestone wrote The Dialectic of Sex: The Case for Feminist Revolution — a book that effectively kickstarted the cyberfeminist movement, influencing later thinkers like Joanna Russ (author of "The Female Man"), sci-fi author Joan Slonczweski, and of course, Donna "I'd rather be a cyborg than a goddess" Harraway, author of "The Cyborg Manifesto." To come up with her unique feminist philosophy, Firestone took 19th and 20th century socialist thinking and fused it with Freudian psychoanalysis and the existentialist perspectives of Simone de Beauvoir.

Essentially, Firestone argued that gender inequality was the result of a patriarchal social structure that had been imposed upon women on account of their necessary role as incubators. She argued that pregnancy, childbirth, and child-rearing imposed physical, social, and psychological disadvantages upon women. Firestone believed that the only way for women to free themselves from these biological impositions would be to seize control of reproduction.

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Soon after the publication of Dialectics, Firestone excused herself from public life and largely disappeared from the scene. In 1998 she published her book, Airless Spaces, in which she detailed her struggles with schizophrenia

Some of the things I found I will not be able to post, but use your imagination.

Why Men Will Never Fully Recover From The Great Recession

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But men will never fully recover because the bad economy simply expedited something that had been happening for years, according to Hanna Rosin's new book The End of Men: And the Rise of Women.

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Some how I found Circus Run Amok's Jennifer Miller, Miller is widely recognized for her work and is the recipient of awards including the Obie, Bessie, BAX 10, and most recently the Ethyl Eichelberger Award. She currently teaches in New York at Pratt Institute, and has taught at several universities including UCLA, Cal Arts, Scripps College, and NYU.
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I am a women, but I too believe there is a delicate balance. There is a legend that at one time we lived in a peaceful goddess culture, that was supplanted with the patriarchal because the feminine over stepped her bounds.
Where are we headed?

Interesting subject... weird title...

Well I somewhat think women have become men and men have become women to be men it wasn't just roles that got switched the energy got shifted....its prolly why the men have been the anchors of the awakening and change...before this women were...they pushed for the change once they got it they took ownership over it becoming the "KING" or as the "QUEEN" seems about time that Elizabeth took the crown.....men got thrown into a whirl wind....and men didn't know there place women became over controlling now if we just realized that roles and energy were shifted things would make more sense....think about it..if your energy is female and your role is female and all that you see is your illusion or what you are told is male....if it walks like a duck talks like a duck it must be a duck!

Inside The CIA with Gloria Steinem

The near-total blackout on the Steinem/Random House censorship story is
reminiscent of the level of enthusiasm Redstockings encountered when they
first tried to get coverage for the story of Steinem and the CIA.

Their 16-page tabloid "press release" charging that Steinem had covered up a
10-year association with the CIA and that Ms. magazine, which she had founded,
was endangering the women's liberation movement struck the 1975 MORE
conference like a new war coming over the wire. The hotel was abuzz and people
snatched up the releases, but when it came to actually writing the story,
nearly everyone bowed out. One reporter criticized the women for not obtaining
Steinem's side of the story before publishing the release. Others skimmed the
material and dismissed it as old news, which was partially true. Still others
thought it was McCarthyistic both in tone and casual conclusions.
www.mail-archive.com...@listserv.aol.com/msg02217.html
In 1967 both the New York Times and the Washington Post carried interviews
with Steinem in the wake of Ramparts' expose of CIA funding of the National
Student Association and other organizations. Steinem was the founder and
director of one of those groups, Independent Research Service, for which she
had solicited and obtained CIA money to carry out covert operations at
Communist youth festivals in Vienna and Helsinki in 1959 and 1952. Unlike most
of the other principals in the scandal, who had repudiated their past work
with the agency and turned over information to the press, Steinem defended her
secret deal with the CIA, calling the undermining of the youth festivals "the
CIA's finest hour."

Women Who Make the World Worse: and How Their Radical Feminist Assault Is Ruining Our Schools, Families, Military, and Sports

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"Destroy the family, you destroy the country." Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

I thought that the cybernetics and the woman with the owl glasses to be a radical feminist. Serious case of penis envy and way out there, unnecessary ideas. No wait, I think she wanted all genitally to shrivel up and be gone since it would be rendered unnecessary. ???

And I'd consider myself somewhat a feminist! I've four children and it wasn't a burden or horrific experience to carry them in my womb. I did a little nursing in neo-natal in rounds and I can attest, we have trouble keeping children at 20 - 32 weeks artificially alive - exactly how are we going to cybernetic ally grow one from scratch?

She also went on to say it would put an end to the "tyranny of the biological family?" Oh great, more separation from each other. As though the nuclear family hasn't suffered enough with both parents in the work force and children shipped off to strangers at daycare.

I like men. I like being a women. I appreciate my girls, and my boys. They are different from one another and I have no difficulty reconciling that. Totally hardwired differently, and they make life fun. Besides, I don't see any reason to fight millions of years of evolution.

Originally posted by R_Clark
Interesting subject... weird title...

I don't think that even in our wildest imagination we could begin to unravel this conspiracy against American, an assault from all sides, from many forces.

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Amen to that,
I see it, I see how women today treat their men, I do approve of course of most things women gained through feminist ideals,

There is something very interesting about the most famous of the worlds feminist, I am going to wait and see if anyone besides me figures it out.

Cyberfeminism Defined
Typically, the cyberfeminists are not just a carbon copy of traditional feminists, but rather operate from different premises. For example, traditional feminism states that despite the claims of gender being less important in cyberspace, the internet is still a sexist environment and, essentially, the struggle must go on.
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Cyberfeminism provides a more optimistic reading and is fairly typical of the enthusiasms generated by the internet. According to cyberfeminists like Sadie Plant, the internet is a quintessentially female technology. First, the values of the internet, like the free exchange of information, the lessening of hierarchy and the nurturing aspects of virtual communities, are female values. Second, networking technology is a final proof that the technology is out of control and that the traditional male quest of control can no longer operate. Hence, she claims that the internet repr

I would rather be a cyborg than a goddess.
Donna Haraway, "Cyborg Manifesto"


Donna Haraway, "A Cyborg Manifesto
Science, Technology, and Socialist-Feminism in the Late Twentieth Century," in Simians, Cyborgs and Women: The Reinvention of Nature (New York; Routledge, 1991), pp.149-181.
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Carolyn Keen on Haraway, "Cyborg Manifesto"

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"I do not know of any other time in history when there was greater need for political unity to confront effectively the dominations of 'race', 'gender', 'sexuality', and 'class'" (157). Goals of the "ironic political myth" of the "cyborg"--a utopian, "possible world." (On utopias: "Most utopian schemes hover somewhere in between the present and the future, attempting to figure the future as the present, the present as the future" [Penley, interview cited below]). Why the cyborg as a metaphor for this text?

"Cyborg replication is uncoupled from organic reproduction" (150) "The cyborg does not dream of community on the model of the organic family" (151).

The cyborg does not aspire to "organic wholeness through a final appropriation of all the powers of the parts into a higher unity" (150). The cyborg "is not afraid of joint kinship with animals and machines...of permanently partial identities and contradictory standpoints" (154). The cyborg is the "illegitimate child" of patriarchy, colonialism, and capitalism.

The cyborg thus evades traditional humanist concepts of women as childbearer and raiser, of individuality and individual wholeness, the heterosexual marriage-nuclear family, transcendentalism and Biblical narrative, the great chain of being (god/man/animal/etc.), fear of death, fear of automatism, insistence upon consistency and completeness. It evades the Freudian family drama, the Lacanian m/other, and "natural" affiliation and unity. It attempts to complicate binary oppositions, which have been "systemic to the logics and practices of domination of women, people of colour, nature, workers, animals" (177).

DANG, I must be totally out of touch with reality.

Destroy the traditional family = increasing the power of the government.

DNC attendees: Yeah, it’s pretty awesome to belong to the government

Theme of the convention,
We All Belong to the Government

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Don't it feel great to belong to the government?

Adolf Hitler, who had been deeply influenced by his own history teacher, was fully aware that schools posed a potential threat to the dominant fascist ideology. Teachers who were critical of Hitler's Germany were sacked and the rest were sent away to be trained to become good fascists. Members of the Nazi youth organizations such as the Hitler Youth, were also asked to report teachers who questioned fascism.

Just for laughs and giggles I though I would check out the stats
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US Marriage Statistics Data
Number of US marriages in 2009 2,077,000
Marriage rate 6.8 per 1,000
Divorce rate 3.4 per 1,000
Percent Currently Married by Race and Sex Percent Married
White Men 44 %
White Women 51 %
Black Men 32 %
Black Women 26 %
Hispanic Men 43 %
Hispanic Women 45 %
Marriages by Education Level Percent of Marriages
No High School Diploma 28 %
High School Diploma or GED 26 %
Some College 21 %
Bachelor’s Degree or Higher 11 %
Religion in Marriage Statistics
Percent of married women who say religion is very important 60.1 %
Percent of married men who say religion is very important 50.9 %
Percent of married women who say religion is not important 36.3 %
Percent of married men who say religion is not important 35.4 %
First Marriage Survival (Probability of lasting more than 10 years) Probability
Probability that a first marriage will survive 10 years 0.66 % – 1 in 15
If there was no birth during marriage 0.37 % – 1 in 27
If there was a birth before marriage 0.65 % – 1 in 15
If there was a birth 0-7 months after marriage 0.74 % – 1 in 13
If there was a birth 8+ months after marriage 0.79 % – 1 in 12
Cohabitation Leading to Marriage Statistics Probability
Probability a first time cohabitation will lead to marriage within 1 year 0.21 % – 1 in 47
Probability a first time cohabitation will lead to marriage within 3 years 0.43 % – 1 in 23
Probability a first time cohabitation will lead to marriage within 5 years 0.57 % – 1 in 17

I am a woman, wife and mother.

I used to consider myself a feminist. Equal right for women. But alas, I no longer want to be mixed in with that radical bunch of nuts.

First off, life is not equal.

Life is not fair.

Men (I love men) and women are different.

We think differently. We process things differently.
Male And Female Brain Patterns Differ During Reaching

The differences between the sexes were so clear that Gorbet first noticed them while doing an earlier study that was not designed to separate out male and female results, said Sergio.

Whether feminist nuts like it or not. Women's bodies are made to have children and nurse them. Maybe if they are that opposed to it then they should pay for an elective surgery that will remove their monthly "burden" and their breasts so no one will look at them as anything other than an androgynous being.

Me, I think it is wonderful to be a girl, woman, wife and mother. I am ashamed at the agenda of the feminist movement.

I am sorry that the family unit is being broken. I have never understood having children and paying someone else to raise them. How does that make life equal or fair to the children?

Religious views aside( I am not religious). Wouldn't it make sense that of our, women's, bodies help create(very fun part of the process), grow and feed babies then wouldn't it stand to reason that early development should fall onto the mothers? I'm talking a year. Not that fathers shouldn't be a big part of the early development, but a "Falker's" style bottle would freak me out. Fathers, get this, Fathers are just as important to children as their mothers, just in different ways.

Yes, I believe there is an agenda of feminists. To oppress and degrade men, instead of what it started out being. Equal pay for equal work.

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Yes, I believe there is an agenda of feminists. To oppress and degrade men, instead of what it started out being.

I think it has been a very subtle indoctrination, and yet not so subtle when you watch some of the you-tubes, which I don't think I should post.

They are funny and sad at they same time, but they are true, when I listen to my 24 year old daughter talk about the strange relationships of her friends and then watched some of these videos, I thought, yup, the have been emasculated.

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I don't think that even in our wildest imagination we could begin to unravel this conspiracy against American, an assault from all sides, from many forces.

Ohhh I think it's a lot more simple than we can imagine. In fact, to be it's as obvious as that big white elephant in the lobby of ATS.

When we all become 'one' - we become so much more easier to control.

One religion, one sex, and on and on? What a better wish for TPTB.

And yes, this is on-topic if you take a moment to think about it.

No more Mom and Dad, the kids look to the Nanny State for guidance.
No more Husbands - wives look to the Nanny State for guidance.
No more religion - couples and families look to the Nanny State instead of their religious leaders for guidance.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

Added note? You can bet your boots the 'Nanny' above aint no Mary Poppins!

peace

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It's SO nice to hear a sympathetic view on feminism from a woman.

You are absolutely right, men and women are different and the sooner the bra burners realise and accept it the sooner we can all start to get along.

Without compromise there is just conflict and the onezs who suffer the most are the children. Children who rarely get a mention when the issues are debated.

Big hugs to "froglette" from "nerb" over here in frogland. . . (France)

I think now that we live sort of in an era where information is free and prevalient all sorts of different groups of people seek to find some kind of empowerment and freedom. Like any minority group you can think of, or any kind of group has been pushing there agenda for more power, more rights, etc etc . But class warfare has always been part of the nwo agenda. Get everyone at the bottom fighting and struggling with each other for some minor advantage, rights or benefits over the others, that way they never consider what power structures are keeping them held hostage.

Originally posted by r2d246
I think now that we live sort of in an era where information is free and prevalient all sorts of different groups of people seek to find some kind of empowerment and freedom. Like any minority group you can think of, or any kind of group has been pushing there agenda for more power, more rights, etc etc . But class warfare has always been part of the nwo agenda. Get everyone at the bottom fighting and struggling with each other for some minor advantage, rights or benefits over the others, that way they never consider what power structures are keeping them held hostage.

Yes, it makes you feel helpless doesn't it?

Maybe that is why many people stick their heads in the sand,

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No more Mom and Dad, the kids look to the Nanny State for guidance.
No more Husbands - wives look to the Nanny State for guidance.
No more religion - couples and families look to the Nanny State instead of their religious leaders for guidance.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

And where does that leave us?

What does the future hold?

I tried to talk to a friend about this today, she was totally disinterested.

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I've tried to talk - as recently as this month - to family members about the same subject. They just do NOT want to see.
Where does that leave us you ask? Well, in a nut shell? In big trouble - unless we start NOW! We have to HANG ON TO OUR ORIGINALITY AT ALL COSTS!

Hang on and keep your sex pure, your life pure, your religion pure, your culture pure, your family pure, etc. And no, I'm not talking racist, I'm talking about 'pure' in it's best form.

If we do not allow TPTB to stick us all in the same 'pot' collectively none of us will get boiled.

peace