Unanswered religious questions

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by jiggerj

 

1. Did god use magic to create the universe, or did he have to use a logical, scientific approach?

He forbids magic and sorcery, he created the laws of the universe and set them in motion. He knows more about science then anyone alive because he made it all.

Hi Lone, Hope you don't mind a different turn in your comment. Playing with the idea that a god exists (whether in physical form or even pure consciousness), it has me wondering what natural laws exist where he/she/it resides. Whatever we want to call this region, does it have to have space? Gravity? Is it hot, cold, a vacuum? If a god exists within another dimension, doesn't that dimension have to have SOME qualities?

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

He spoke it into existence by his Word. God can do things like that you know, sometimes he makes something from nothing and sometimes he uses existing components.

Is that the best we can do? We are able say, "God can do things like that," and we're suppose to just accept it without any questions of how and why it is possible? No further research needed? Just believe?

I can't do that.

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by jiggerj

 

1. Did god use magic to create the universe, or did he have to use a logical, scientific approach?

He forbids magic and sorcery, he created the laws of the universe and set them in motion. He knows more about science then anyone alive because he made it all.

Hi Lone, Hope you don't mind a different turn in your comment. Playing with the idea that a god exists (whether in physical form or even pure consciousness), it has me wondering what natural laws exist where he/she/it resides. Whatever we want to call this region, does it have to have space? Gravity? Is it hot, cold, a vacuum? If a god exists within another dimension, doesn't that dimension have to have SOME qualities?

He's Spirit right now, and where he exists time flows around him like a river and does not touch him. As for the other things, i cannot guess for sure, but i imagine if we exist in the 4th dimension, he must be in the 3rd dimension where there is no time. The only one whose been there and back was Jesus. That'll be something we will have to ask him if he returns before we die. I honestly do not know and no one alive in this world does. What i do know is God and his angels (messengers) are not bound by the laws of this universe. From the bible we know they are all around us but we cannot see them as there is a war raging all around us between the Fallen Ones and the Heaveny Host which suggests they are in a dimension we cannot see with our limited eyes, perhaps on a different spectrum or wavelength we can't see.

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

He spoke it into existence by his Word. God can do things like that you know, sometimes he makes something from nothing and sometimes he uses existing components.

Is that the best we can do? We are able say, "God can do things like that," and we're suppose to just accept it without any questions of how and why it is possible? No further research needed? Just believe?

I can't do that.

Pretty much yeah. I don't need to know how he did what he did, he didn't create us to know everything he did and still does. The only thing i care about is what is needed for my salvation, that other stuff can wait till i see him.

It's not for everybody. It's a hard pill for many to accept it and let it be, but it's the truth. You can spend the rest of your life looking for those answers and never get an inch closer to finding them out, there are things we are not meant to know.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

I wouldn't say we have no value to him, he created the universe and the earth and everything therein just so he could make Man. We're more precious to him than the universe itself, thats why he came here to save us in person of Jesus the Messiah. We're not some plaything at his whim, if that were the case he'd never have allowed himself to be nailed to a cross, spat on, ostracised, beaten, tortured and ultimately killed by the people he created. He'd have just sent 12 legions of Angels and wiped us out and started over.

Could a perfect god possibly have absolutely no reason to do something? I would suggest not. So, what could be his agenda for creating beings that couldn't even carry on an intelligent conversation with him, even if we lived and experienced life for a billion years? Imagine being surrounded by three year olds your entire life. Might be fun to watch the babies play, but it would get monotonous real quick without some intelligent adult chat from time to time. Intellectually, we would always be babies to this perfect god.

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

I wouldn't say we have no value to him, he created the universe and the earth and everything therein just so he could make Man. We're more precious to him than the universe itself, thats why he came here to save us in person of Jesus the Messiah. We're not some plaything at his whim, if that were the case he'd never have allowed himself to be nailed to a cross, spat on, ostracised, beaten, tortured and ultimately killed by the people he created. He'd have just sent 12 legions of Angels and wiped us out and started over.

Could a perfect god possibly have absolutely no reason to do something? I would suggest not. So, what could be his agenda for creating beings that couldn't even carry on an intelligent conversation with him, even if we lived and experienced life for a billion years? Imagine being surrounded by three year olds your entire life. Might be fun to watch the babies play, but it would get monotonous real quick without some intelligent adult chat from time to time. Intellectually, we would always be babies to this perfect god.

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I wouldn't say he created Man to not be able to carry on a conversation with him. A'dam walked with him and talked with him in the cool of the day in his garden, so A'dam was not an ignoramus. God had originally intended Man and Woman to create the Nations and populate the earth slowly over eternity and learn from him and trust him as they went. He wasn't making mortals, he was making gods and he appointed his angels to worship A'dam.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


May I ask why you say things you "do know" about god. What evidence do you actually have to back this up?

I have said this before and I will say this again, there is absolutely no evidence that god exists. There are only people who want to believe there is a god so badly that they are blind to the truth.

The bible cannot be taken as evidence as it is full of contradictions and errors. But that's to be expected, it was put together by Constantine from writings from numerous dubious sources.

The one thing we definitely do know is that there was no Adam, evolution has taught us how mankind evolved. Two people were not just dropped in the jungle, that is proposterous. We know there were neanderthals and homosapians and new evidence shows there was another species of human. I look forward to read how you try dispute the indisputable.

Originally posted by GafferUK1981
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

May I ask why you say things you "do know" about god. What evidence do you actually have to back this up?

I have said this before and I will say this again, there is absolutely no evidence that god exists. There are only people who want to believe there is a god so badly that they are blind to the truth.

The bible cannot be taken as evidence as it is full of contradictions and errors. But that's to be expected, it was put together by Constantine from writings from numerous dubious sources.

The one thing we definitely do know is that there was no Adam, evolution has taught us how mankind evolved. Two people were not just dropped in the jungle, that is proposterous. We know there were neanderthals and homosapians and new evidence shows there was another species of human. I look forward to read how you try dispute the indisputable.

There's actually quite a bit of evidence God exists, you just don't know what you're looking at. You can't see his fingerprint. The bible can be taken as factual evidence, check the second link in my signaure on the archeaology of the bible. The bible was not put together by Constantine the scriptures were already in circulation in the first century. All Constantine did was call together the council of Nicea to address the Arian Heresy and to combat gnosticism which denies Messiah came in the flesh of a man but that he was all spirit.

For instance, in Genesis God told Moses man was made from the dust of the earth. This was a bit of information that wasn't even able to be proven until the invention of the electron microscope and the periodic table of elements, in which we discovered that yes it's true, man's body is constructed from elements in the earth, everything that can be found here is in us. Modern science says, the earth and everything in it came from stardust. Holy Bible and modern science agree. So who told Moses this 3500 years ago when it couldn't be proven until the 20th century? There was no "science" then. Science is just catching up to the bible. The tombs of the Apostles have also been found, these same Apostles who walked with Jesus himself 2000 years ago, proving the New Testament accurate with archeaological evidence.

Originally posted by GafferUK1981
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

May I ask why you say things you "do know" about god. What evidence do you actually have to back this up?

I have said this before and I will say this again, there is absolutely no evidence that god exists. There are only people who want to believe there is a god so badly that they are blind to the truth.

The bible cannot be taken as evidence as it is full of contradictions and errors. But that's to be expected, it was put together by Constantine from writings from numerous dubious sources.

The one thing we definitely do know is that there was no Adam, evolution has taught us how mankind evolved. Two people were not just dropped in the jungle, that is proposterous. We know there were neanderthals and homosapians and new evidence shows there was another species of human. I look forward to read how you try dispute the indisputable.

Constantine did play a role, but the role was in place before he ever took over.

The good news is, the Bible is multilayered and the truth in it will set you free depending on the mind set you use to read such a word from God.

Clear understanding is needed. A seeker finds truth. It's not hidden, only suppressed.

Don't underestimate the power of the Word/ Words, they create a story from the beginning to the revelation and it's just as much your story as it is the ones depicted.

Adam represents Jesus AND MANKIND. This is clear with understanding. Evolution does not tell the full story of how we became man and where we are going. Science is great, but it's only half truth but if you combine all truths you are lead back to Jesus and the beginning of man.

Two people? Again, there is a misunderstanding.

There was a different " human" in the beginning you are right and the Bible describes them.

They were not so attached to matter in the very beginning before the human man we see today who is.

It's all in the bible, but how you see it is not.

A Bible teacher will teach you that Moses mentored Joshua for one reason or another and I'm telling you he mentored him because he was the messiah to come.

Moses wouldn't even mentor his own brother, but he did Joshua.

The Moses-Joshua relationship was just one of many stories to consider and look for the deeper meaning.

God had to deliver His people from slavery, Moses understood early on that someone else would lead them into freedom. He recognized the need to "commission Joshua, and encourage and strengthen him, for Joshua/ jesus will lead the people across and will cause them to inherit the land." (Deut. 3:27)

The land is within.... It's life with peace and harmony with our father. We are children in spirit.

The Bible teaches us this, reincarnation is very real and it's needed for the completion of the soul back with God in the " garden".

What comes around goes around.

Word/ words are power-ful.

Jesus tells us this!

Shem/ Melchezedek is a believer and his father on earth was Noah.

Shem is also the same entity as Jesus.

It's clear for me.... So I say believe what you want but the answers are given when we seek with an open heart and are not guided by anyone other than the true messenger of God, our brother, Jesus the Christ!

en.wikipedia.org...

Before man was created and the earth was formed, there was a city in thought called Atlantis.

Hermes instructed and built the Gaiza Pyramid.

Guess who he is/ was?? Guess!!!!! Messenger perhaps?? www.hermetics.org...

Okay then if the bible is factual evidence then why is there so much nonsense in it?

For instance we know there was no Adam and Eve, well avoided by the way.

We know there was no flood and it would have been impossible for Noah to keep all the worlds animals on a boat. How did he keep the arctic animals cold and the tropical animals hot?

We know that the earth was not created in a week.

Why doesn't the bible mention the time of the dinosaurs, I know the bible mentions a leviathon or something but at the time of man. The dinosaurs predate man by millenia.

If the bible is gods word then why is there so much in it that is plain wrong. I will tell you why, it's simple, the bible is a fictional book written by primitive man. You need to grasp that fact.

You can preach your delusional nonsense to me and tell me I'll burn in hell but I won't because there is no hell. When you die you won't even know you were wrong because you will cease to exist, there is no heaven for you. You will have wasted a huge chunk of your life reading and praying and chanting to nothing.

reply to post by GafferUK1981

We know that the earth was not created in a week.

True. It was seven days in Fathers time, not mans.

Why doesn't the bible mention the time of the dinosaurs, I know the bible mentions a leviathon or something but at the time of man. The dinosaurs predate man by millenia.

The dinosaurs was an experiment by above, not all things that happened before the creation story will be spoken of down here.

If the bible is gods word then why is there so much in it that is plain wrong.

It is not Gods own words, but words of man about God.

reply to post by jhill76


Ah I see, now it has been proven that the earth was created over millions of years and not 7 days as stated in the bible a religious person has to twist that to suit their incorrect belief. Does it say 7 days fathers time in the bible? No it just says 7 days. A day is the time it takes the earth to make one rotation on it's axis so what governs gods day?

Who says that the dinosaurs was an experiment? It's not in the bible so what gives you this idea. Please allow me to educate you. The dinosaurs are not mentioned in the bible simply because mankind at the time did not know they had even existed and therefore he did not write about them. And why would god wipe out the dinosaurs? They did far less damage to the planet than we have done, seems ridiculous to me that he would allow us to exist as we destroy the earth.

Also we can equate from the bible that the earth is supposed to be around 6000 years old. Is this what you really believe?

All you've gotten and are going to get, is people making up their own answers to fit their current world view, or answers that make people feel good/better about the ridiculousness they base these beliefs on.

While I personally find reading answers like that, ones based entirely on what people want to be true, fascinating, you may as-well be asking young children these questions as you'd gather the same amount of factual information.

It's kinda indulging the delusional in their delusions.

Originally posted by GafferUK1981
reply to post by jhill76

 

Ah I see, now it has been proven that the earth was created over millions of years and not 7 days as stated in the bible a religious person has to twist that to suit their incorrect belief. Does it say 7 days fathers time in the bible? No it just says 7 days. A day is the time it takes the earth to make one rotation on it's axis so what governs gods day?

Who says that the dinosaurs was an experiment? It's not in the bible so what gives you this idea. Please allow me to educate you. The dinosaurs are not mentioned in the bible simply because mankind at the time did not know they had even existed and therefore he did not write about them. And why would god wipe out the dinosaurs? They did far less damage to the planet than we have done, seems ridiculous to me that he would allow us to exist as we destroy the earth.

Also we can equate from the bible that the earth is supposed to be around 6000 years old. Is this what you really believe?

edit on 12-9-2012 by GafferUK1981 because: (no reason given)

Just wondering: who taught you that christians believe the world is 6k yrs old?

reply to post by GafferUK1981


Everything is being created right now, it is big banging this instant. God sees the image that is appearing. There is nothing else.
All stories arise now and are known now. If you see this you will be free from the mind made suffering that is the human condition.

reply to post by Prezbo369


I couldn't agree with you more pal, they'll do anything to avoid the truth, I guess the fear of dying and not going to heaven is extremely strong in some people.

Do you ever get the feeling you're in a lunatic asylum and you're the only sane person?

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Yes everything is in the process of creation, we call that the fact of Darwinian Evolution. God plays no part in this, he is not required. Just as well he doesn't exist.

Originally posted by GafferUK1981
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Yes everything is in the process of creation, we call that the fact of Darwinian Evolution. God plays no part in this, he is not required. Just as well he doesn't exist.

The belief in becoming is what prevents one from knowing God.
Darwin killed God for many when his 'theory' was published.