Christians help me debunk these non sense atheistic beliefs about Genesis please

God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night,
on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the
sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). 1:3-5

God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day)
working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls
heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters.
This firmament, if it existed, would have been quite an obstacle to our
space program. 1:6-8

Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their
photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). 1:11

"He made the stars also." God spends a day making light (before making
the stars) and separating light from darkness; then, at the end of a
hard day's work, and almost as an afterthought, he makes the trillions
of stars. 1:16

"And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the
earth." Really? Then why are only a tiny fraction of stars visible from
earth? Under the best conditions, no more than five thousand stars are
visible from earth with the unaided eye, yet there are hundreds of
billions of stars in our galaxy and a hundred billion or so galaxies.
Yet this verse says that God put the stars in the firmament "to give
light" to the earth. 1:17

God commands us to "be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth,
and subdue it: and have dominion over ... every living thing that moveth
upon the earth." This verse is used to justify Christian opposition to
birth control, to concern for the environment, and to animal rights. The
earth was made for humans, and they can do as they damn well please with
it. 1:28

All animals were originally herbivores. Tapeworms, vampire bats,
mosquitoes, and barracudas -- all were strict vegetarians, as they were
created by God. But, of course, we now know that there were carnivorous
animals millions of years before humans existed. 1:30

God makes the animals and parades them before Adam to see if any would
strike his fancy. But none seem to have what it takes to please him.
(Although he was tempted to go for the sheep.) After making the animals,
God has Adam name them all. The naming of several million species must
have kept Adam busy for a while. 2:18-20

God's clever, talking serpent. 3:1

God walks and talks (to himself?) in the garden, and plays a little hide
and seek with Adam and Eve. 3:8-11

God curses the serpent. From now on the serpent will crawl on his belly
and eat dust. One wonders how he got around before -- by hopping on his
tail, perhaps? But snakes don't eat dust, do they? 3:14

God curses the ground and causes thorns and thistles to grow. 3:17-18

God kills some animals and makes some skin coats for Adam and Eve. 3:21

Cain is worried after killing Abel and says, "Every one who finds me
shall slay me." This is a strange concern since there were only two
other humans alive at the time -- his parents! 4:14

"And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD." 4:16

"And Cain knew his wife." That's nice, but where the hell did she come
from? 4:17

Lamech kills a man and claims that since Cain's murderer would be
punished sevenfold, whoever murders him will be punished seventy-seven
fold. That sounds fair. 4:23-24

God created a man and a woman, and he "called their name Adam." So the
woman's name was Adam, too! 5:2

The first men had incredibly long lifespans. 5:5, 5:8, 5:11, 5:14, 5:17,
5:20, 5:23, 5:27, 5:31, 9:29

The "sons of God" copulated with the "daughters of men," and had sons
who became "the mighty men of old, men of renown." 6:2-4

"There were giants in the earth in those days." 6:4

God decides to kill all living things because the human imagination is
evil. Later (8:21), after he kills everything, he promises never to do
it again because the human imagination is evil. Go figure. 6:5

God repents. 6:6-7

God was angry because "the earth was filled with violence." But didn't
God create the whole bloody system in the first place? Predator and
prey, parasite and host -- weren't they all designed by God? Oh, it's
true that according to 1:30 God originally intended the animals to be
vegetarian. But later (3:18)

he changed all that. Still, the violence
that angered God was of his own making. So what was he upset about? And
how would killing everything help to make the world less violent? Did he
think the animals would behave better after he "destroys them with the
earth"? I guess God works in mysterious ways. 6:11-13

God tells Noah to make one small window (18 inches square) in the 450
foot ark for ventilation. 6:16

Noah, the just and righteous. 6:9, 7:1

Noah, the drunk and naked. 9:20-21

God opens the "windows of heaven." He does this every time it rains.
7:11

"The windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven wasrestrained." This happens whenever it stops raining. 8:2

Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes
out again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree
survive the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly
wouldn't germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11

Noah kills the "clean beasts" and burns their dead bodies for God.
According to 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all "clean"
animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. "And the Lord
smelled a sweet savor." After this God "said in his heart" that he'd
never do it again because "man's heart is evil from his youth." So God
killed all living things (6:5) because humans are evil, and then
promises not to do it again (8:21) because humans are evil. The mind of
God is a frightening thing. 8:20-21

According to this verse, all animals fear humans. Although it is true
that many do, it is also true that some do not. Sharks and grizzly
bears, for example, are generally much less afraid of us than we are of
them. 9:2

"Into your hand are they (the animals) delivered." God gave the animals
to humans, and they can do whatever they please with them. This verse
has been used by bible believers to justify all kinds of cruelty to
anmials and environmental destruction. 9:2

All animals have hands. 9:5

"Be ye fruitful, and multiply." With 6 billion people on this planet, we
need to disobey God on this one. 9:7

God is rightly filled with remorse for having killed his creatures. He
makes a deal with the animals, promising never to drown them all again.
He even puts the rainbow in the sky so that whenever he sees it, it will
remind him of his promise so that he won't be tempted to do it again.
(Every time God sees the rainbow he says to himself: "Oh, yeah....
That's right. I promised not to drown the animals again. I guess I'll
have to find something else to do."). 9:9-13


God worries that people could actually build a tower high enough to
reach him (them?) in heaven. 11:4

































more stuff to debunk here www.cs.umd.edu...

You can't debunk scientific fact, are you really that stubborn in your beliefs?

These "inconsistencies" show a great ignorance of biblical content and Judaic & Christian Theology.

I am an atheist and I can tell you right now that most of these are simply nitpicking and looking for a reason to make fun of the bible. But hey, to each their own...

Interesting thread concerning Genesis. I look forward to the responses. It will be quite interesting to see how some people spin this one.

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Dear ExNihilo,

LOL, really, you couldn't up with original questions? I assume you accept all 700 as disproving Christianity, therefore, if I correct one will assume the other 699 may also be stupid and uninformed? If I use science to explain the answer I give, will that mean anything to you? I doubt it very much; but, then again I doubt any answer would be meaningful to you. If I answered all 700 using science, would that convince you that there was a God, I think not. I will much fairer, what could possibly prove to you that there was a God, is there anything that could and if there is not then why bother asking questions, they would be by nature insincere. Give me a reason to answer even one of them and I get to pick which one.

Update: I should note that I read this threads title and only OP to smack what appeared to be a fellow believer who needed to be corrected for being a jerk.

Originally posted by AQuestion
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Dear ExNihilo,

LOL, really, you couldn't up with original questions? I assume you accept all 700 as disproving Christianity, therefore, if I correct one will assume the other 699 may also be stupid and uninformed? If I use science to explain the answer I give, will that mean anything to you? I doubt it very much; but, then again I doubt any answer would be meaningful to you. If I answered all 700 using science, would that convince you that there was a God, I think not. I will much fairer, what could possibly prove to you that there was a God, is there anything that could and if there is not then why bother asking questions, they would be by nature insincere. Give me a reason to answer even one of them and I get to pick which one.

God is real.

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You said nothing, try explaining what would convince you.

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Do you actually care about this stuff? Was that a link to an actual university in your OP? Do people really study how Genesis is wrong? Is that a course somewhere? Can i get a degree in Bible Wrongology?

Originally posted by ExNihilo

Originally posted by AQuestion
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Dear ExNihilo,

LOL, really, you couldn't up with original questions? I assume you accept all 700 as disproving Christianity, therefore, if I correct one will assume the other 699 may also be stupid and uninformed? If I use science to explain the answer I give, will that mean anything to you? I doubt it very much; but, then again I doubt any answer would be meaningful to you. If I answered all 700 using science, would that convince you that there was a God, I think not. I will much fairer, what could possibly prove to you that there was a God, is there anything that could and if there is not then why bother asking questions, they would be by nature insincere. Give me a reason to answer even one of them and I get to pick which one.

God is real.

Prove it.

A wise man on ATS once asked:

"Is this thread I am creating an honest attempt at civil discourse/debate about the subject or, am I trying to sow as much hatred as I can about the evil ___________s to wake people up to the fact they are scum?"

I was wondering what your thread is really about?

I will go ahead and get all philosophical on you. But before I offer you an explanation, let me make it clear that I do not buy the "literal" interpretation of the Bible, as others do. I actually think that science and development of our species has offered the firmest evidence for the Bible being the work of man, as the vagueness and magic that was once sufficient for explanation no longer suffices. But there is also the possibility that if the Bible was a divine inspiration, that it could have been written in the same manner. But I digress.

The arguments about these seemingly contradictory statements in the Bible, based on what we know today, is not as airtight as it seems to be, in favor of the meaning being incorrect. Basically, if the Bible were divinely inspired, for anyone to challenge those words is extremely unfounded. For one, God would have actually done things how He said He did.

But the main point I wanted to make is that you cannot argue that God should have, would have, etc. anything, because to know what Infinite Wisdom would do or look like in any situation, one would have to posses that Infinite Wisdom themselves. So the fact that the statements in the creation story seem contradictory, this may only be the case because of flaws in man's logic and ability to understand things in a certain way, and not because God's divine inspiration to the writer of Genesis was incorrect or flawed.

When it comes down to it, my personal opinion is that God does exist, but that the Bible is not His word, although pieces contained therein very well may be. But definitely the majority of the text was created from the minds of men; men with an agenda, with personal defects, etc...I also believe that although God does exist, it is impossible for man to understand him. I think the best explanation of God is True Love, which can be argued affirmatively from a philosophical standpoint, and is in line with New Testament teachings by Jesus.

But whether Jesus, the Bible, or what men say is true or false...this tells only about the nature of man. NOT God. It has no bearing whatsoever on the nature of God. Therefore it is sad to see people who do not believe in a Creator simply because of present day religions, and what they teach.

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In your last reference to the tower of babble you forgot to mention where God said.


" they are one people of one language, and nothing will be withholden that they deem to do" " come let us go down and confound their language"

Is that fear of the power of man to accomplish all he believes he can? And so God fears man?

Originally posted by redbarron626
A wise man on ATS once asked:

"Is this thread I am creating an honest attempt at civil discourse/debate about the subject or, am I trying to sow as much hatred as I can about the evil ___________s to wake people up to the fact they are scum?"

I was wondering what your thread is really about?

It's an experiment.

Originally posted by AQuestion
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You said nothing, try explaining what would convince you.

you shall not tempt me.

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I as a nonbeliever would redily believeN if only we in modern times with understanding and reason, got even one thousandth the proof he supposedly bestowed upon man thousands of years ago. Seeing how he made me, he also knows he made me with a rational mind, not one that takes things on faith, as everytime in my life I have had faith, it was only ever rewarded with disapointment.

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Dear ExNihilo,

If this is an experiment than violate the T&Cs, if sincerity is the greatest form of flattery, then insincerity is the greatest proof of fear, fear of the truth. Deny ignorance and have real conversations rather than just troll, this is not GLP.

Originally posted by ExNihilo

Originally posted by AQuestion
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You said nothing, try explaining what would convince you.

you shall not tempt me.

Dear ExNihilo,

You must be very young. Try putting your words into statements or questions so that we can have a real conversation.

Originally posted by AQuestion
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Dear ExNihilo,

If this is an experiment than violate the T&Cs, if sincerity is the greatest form of flattery, then insincerity is the greatest proof of fear, fear of the truth. Deny ignorance and have real conversations rather than just troll, this is not GLP.

i have the right to ask my fellow christians to debunk this stuff, if you don't want to contribute you can leave the thread.

I am not a Christian, but perhaps as others have pointed out the book of Genesis is not to be taken literally or as scientific truth, but as an allegory. You should keep in mind that many of the characters and stories that appear in Genesis also appear in Mesopotamian myths that predate Genesis by centuries or even millenia.

Is this to say that Genesis is just a big giant work of plagiarism? No.

There was a time when Genesis was a new book. When Genesis was first unveiled, its audience was already familiar with Adam and Eve, Noah, and other characters and stories. The first people that heard Genesis did not walk away thinking, "So that is how the world started, there was this guy named Adam and a woman named Eve." Those people already knew about Adam and Eve.

The first people that heard about Genesis learned about Adam, Eve, Noah and the others in a new light. These characters were no longer participating in a universe dominated by a pantheon of capricious gods living by no moral code, these characters are recast into a universe dominated by a single god, who is omniscient, and omnipotent. A single God who demanded people live by a moral code.

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Very good points your making, I do believe maybe the op is trolling, as I am not a believer, yet I am trying to take this conversation far more serious than he in his own thread.

Op, not trying to dog you out, or call you out, I am just curious as the meaning behind your evasive answers.