[un]Official 2012 Obama DNC Speech Thread….What did he mean and do you believe it?

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Yes, but your mind of a realist is not an actual mind of a realist..it is of a highly partisan and incorrect right winger.
Consider your last thread on how you assumed Clinton would toss Obama under the bus, when in reality what happened was a fistfull of smack to the republicans and ultimately may have given Obama the victory.
Even republican broadcasters said as much.

So, your glasses are colored red, even when you try to wipe em off.

Now, I will say 4 years ago, there was a different energy..it was the whole hope/change thing, but really it resonated with a desire to clash against Bush as much as possible. This time around it is an incumbant verses a hopeful for office and therefore it was less lets take over the white house and more lets build barricades style.

So, in reality, it comes down to debates. Debates is where this ultimate stalemate makes or breaks a person. Who can answer, who can dance the words, etc. The base enjoyed the speech and will vote (applies to both rnc and dnc and their respective nominees). now the actual target audience is up next.

Well, if that's not the pot calling the kettle black.... Your "blue colored glasses" are firmly in place. Obama could hack a 5 year old to death on video and you'd defend him.

Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Jobs were NOT President Obama's #1 priority, to say it was is disingenuous. Healthcare reform is what he rammed through as his #1 Priority, not getting America back to work as Priority #1,2 and 3.

He had control of both houses for 2 years,

and a unprecidented record of filibusters for the 110th congress, blocking everything. the supermajority lasted only a little while before it was lost due to death.
The party of no, they created no policy, they only made sure nothing got done with a procedure meant to be used only for the most extreme of measures.

No, the right became little more than obstructionists for economic recovery for the sole purpose of gaining power. A party strictly focused on destruction of the economy in order to attain power. Consider that...how could a politician look in the mirror after that and say they are even an american if they will do that..watching the people that elected them go without a job because your party said let them suffer, then blame the other guy.

sociopathic arguably criminal behavior. Frankly, "chicago style politics" seems like fluffy kitten politics when one compares..at least chicago is still in the USA...what they did is so outside the understandable norm its arguably not even human..

The most twisted and evil part of me wants Romney to win, and the Dems to mirror exactly what they did, watching the people cheering their destructive measures suddenly wondering why obstruction is destruction is being used for every thing they try.

I don't believe republicans as a party is an evil party.
but they certainly have given up their self proclaimed "party of god" these past years.

Originally posted by theconspirator
Obama doesnt care about jobs? Of course! I see it now. You are right. I mean, we were so much better off 4 years ago! Oh look what I found! An article about sept 2008. Read it if you want, but what does it matter. Your brainwashed. www.pewtrusts.org...

We are not better off. Much of the economic crisis was manufactured. And you know who manufactured it? People like Barney Frank who was overseeing Fannie/Freddie and said everything was ok. Clinton who signed off on forcing banks to make risky loans to help poor people because that is how Democrats get votes. Tim Geithner, Ben Bernanke and the Fed, Goldman Sachs, George Soros who manipulated currencies and took advantage of changes in regulations. Dood and Frank who changed regulations with Dodd-Frank Bill, bankers who took advantage of changes in regulations and bought and sold toxic assets, and so many other crooked people. Oh yes and dear leader was involved in that too back before he was even President.
Unemployment is higher than in 2008 despite the Obama admins cook the book figures, and that's before you add in the underemployed and those who have given up looking for jobs, as these are not counted in official figures. Then there's inflation due to the devaluation of the dollar and the Fed printing money. Obamacare is causing premiums to rise even higher and we have barely begun to know the real cost of Obamacare but it's certain to be much higher than the crooks are telling us.
Obama signed off on NDAA instead of vetoing. Obama assassinated an American citizen without trial. Americans on food stamps is way higher than ever. Obama has added more govt overhead, 4 trillion dollars debt in less than 4 years, gas is 3.49 a gallon (which is lower than it was last year this time) America has turned into a socialist third world country h%$##hole and you say we are better off.

I say you have been listening to too much Democrat rhetoric and talking points and you then turn around and call me brainwashed because I['m not buying the Obama depression fake non-recovery.

That's just the economic stuff. We haven't even gotten to the degradation of Sandra Fluke tellilng us she can't afford contraception and she wants herself and other women to get it free, the abortion mills are working overtime and the Democrats had the gall to make that a major part of their convention. They are so proud of their ability to convince women that abortion is just a bunch of cells. Then Obama had the gall to try to make private Catholic institutions pay for contraceptives.
Obama forced a University to cover religious statues because it offends him so much in his decayed Marxist hatred of the purity of God.
Obama looks down his nose at the average American(I mean literally) yet tries to convince us he loves the Middle Class. He used the middle class as fodder in his Marxist class warfare.
He created more racial division with his tactics than anything I remember in my entire lifetime.That's race warfare also being used by Marxists.
He got our A+ credit rating downgraded.

He panders to anyone whose vote he can get as long as it's people on the left, minorities, women, veterans. He threatened to stop payment on SS.
Do I need to go on?

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Yes, but your mind of a realist is not an actual mind of a realist..it is of a highly partisan and incorrect right winger.
Consider your last thread on how you assumed Clinton would toss Obama under the bus, when in reality what happened was a fistfull of smack to the republicans and ultimately may have given Obama the victory.
Even republican broadcasters said as much.

So, your glasses are colored red, even when you try to wipe em off.

Now, I will say 4 years ago, there was a different energy..it was the whole hope/change thing, but really it resonated with a desire to clash against Bush as much as possible. This time around it is an incumbant verses a hopeful for office and therefore it was less lets take over the white house and more lets build barricades style.

So, in reality, it comes down to debates. Debates is where this ultimate stalemate makes or breaks a person. Who can answer, who can dance the words, etc. The base enjoyed the speech and will vote (applies to both rnc and dnc and their respective nominees). now the actual target audience is up next.

Well, if that's not the pot calling the kettle black.... Your "blue colored glasses" are firmly in place. Obama could hack a 5 year old to death on video and you'd defend him.

I defend facts.
I also understand, and have said, I am not a good source for giving opinion because I am jaded. I have given the only reasonable answer which is that debates will make or break.
My blue colored glasses do in fact exist...difference between me and the opposite side however is that I am actually aware of my bias and therefore inability to give a objective reading.

And that allows me to actually step out of my box and understand the process...which makes me less of a crybaby when my party loses..because I actually try to understand the mind of the independent. Trending methods is a bit art, a bit science, and those whom understand it will succeed in several areas of life.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
I say you have been listening to too much Democrat rhetoric and talking points and you then turn around and call me brainwashed because I['m not buying the Obama depression fake non-recovery.

Just wanted to point out you didn't say a single republican name in your rather disingenious half sided rant there...
I don't think you should then be saying he is listening to too much Dem rhetoric when you are totally blind to 8 years of Reps..went from clinton to obama...pretty sure someone else was in there between the mega boom of the clinton economy to the freefall economy obama inherited....hmm...was it someone named weed? tree? can't remember now...

What party was he again?....the whigs?

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reply to post by SaturnFX


The Republicans in Congress did absolutely everything above board and according to the Constitution. What did Nancy do? She told us the bill would have to be passed before anyone could know what's in it. Democrats bribed and intimidated people into voting for that bill. Democrats are dirtier than ever under Obama's leadership. Obama simply refused to work at all with Republicans and it was obvious to everyone. I'm not a McCain fan but Obama really did disrespect him when he pretended to try to work bipartisan. It was all for show. He did nothing but say rude things to senior Congressmen.

And thanks be to God our Republicans in Congress stood up to him at least in some ways.

reply to post by SaturnFX


What makes it disingenuous? You tell me here and now EXACTLY what. All you can do is pout and say oh you ol meanie you are so wrong. How can you even defend what Obama and his band of socialists have been doing to this country?
I'm using my understanding of economics and a lifelong study of politics, religion, and philosophy to judge what is going on here. I read books. And yes I took economics and accounting in University, and my minor is Business management.
I've read the Communist Manifesto, the Humanist Manifesto, words of Lenin. I've read the Communist websites. I've read Antony Sutton and Milton Friedman.
And you are clearly assuming I just watch Fox and parrot what they say. You would be 100% wrong.
And yes, I have posted on Bush being a 3rd generation Bonesman. I know about the Carlyle group. I know about the Bilderbergs and the CFR, the Tri lateral Commission and the Rhodes scholars. I know about the Shadow Party(that's Soros).
In fact I just read last night that Nixon enabled federal funding of abortions by allowing funding to go to Planned Parenthood. He had Republican support then because they thought it would mean fewer people on the welfare rolls. But there is absolutely nothing more disgusting than an Obama who is so callous as to not support the care of babies who didn't die directly during botched abortions. His reasoning? He thinks it would be unConstitutional.
There are just NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO words to describe the callous and radical attitude of that man and many of his supporters.
Yes there are many players and I think I mentioned Ben Bernanke and the Fed and the last time I checked the Fed is not a particular party.
Obama has Goldman Sachs players all over his admin. They may or may not be Democrat but they are sure going along with his game.
Obama is further left than anyone since Wilson and FDR. His friends are Code Pink and Bill Ayers. HIs policies are nuts and he is not adept. He doesn't listen to anyone but Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod. He doesn't even listen to his defense advisors. He supposedly stopped several plans to get Bin Laden. You can read about this in edward klein's book The Amateur if you dare.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I defend facts.
I also understand, and have said, I am not a good source for giving opinion because I am jaded. I have given the only reasonable answer which is that debates will make or break.

No, you simply spew the talking points of the left in the same way Rush Limbaugh does with the right. I've been on here a long while, and have never once seen you actually have your opinion swayed, even when you're dead wrong. You continually dismiss sources because they give commentary, stats, etc. that you don't agree with.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
My blue colored glasses do in fact exist...difference between me and the opposite side however is that I am actually aware of my bias and therefore inability to give a objective reading.

At least you're honest. It's really a pity, because even though you haven't shown the ability to bend even slightly on your opinion, you seem to at least be able to carry on a conversation. It's really a pity, because I would have expected someone of your apparent intellect to be able to do so. Changing one's mind over time, isn't a bad thing, and admitting when one is wrong, isn't the end of the world. I used to be against gay marriage, then after listening to gay people defend their position, most of which was "opinion" and "feeling based", I have changed my mind, and openly support gay marriage, because what they do has NO bearing on MY marriage. The fact that straight people can't seem to "maintain the sanctity of marriage" is reason enough for me. Not to mention one of my son's friends was raised by 2 lesbian women, and had a 4.2 or 4.3 GPA and scored a perfect 36 on his ACT...and he's straight...imagine that...LOL.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
And that allows me to actually step out of my box and understand the process...which makes me less of a crybaby when my party loses..because I actually try to understand the mind of the independent. Trending methods is a bit art, a bit science, and those whom understand it will succeed in several areas of life.

I wish you could step outside your box and talk to small business owners and see how much this current administration is hurting them, along with how the agenda of the left is killing business through taxes, etc. For example, my son's airsoft shop is now in danger because a handful of lefties thought that making airsoft replica guns in pink and clear colors will somehow stem the gang violence with real guns in Los Angeles. Meanwhile, my wife just purchased a pink AR-15.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

We are not better off. Much of the economic crisis was manufactured. And you know who manufactured it? People like Barney Frank who was overseeing Fannie/Freddie and said everything was ok. Clinton who signed off on forcing banks to make risky loans to help poor people because that is how Democrats get votes. Tim Geithner, Ben Bernanke and the Fed, Goldman Sachs, George Soros who manipulated currencies and took advantage of changes in regulations. Dood and Frank who changed regulations with Dodd-Frank Bill, bankers who took advantage of changes in regulations and bought and sold toxic assets, and so many other crooked people.

Wow :wow

You failed to mention the most important name, how cute.

Why don't you be honest, have some integrity and watch this?

He panders to anyone whose vote he can get as long as it's people on the left, minorities, women, veterans.

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And again, he destroys your entire argument by opening HIS mouth

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

What makes it disingenuous?

You distort everything and ignore the key figure who was entrusted with managing this country
when this mess surfaced.

Why don't you watch the videos I posted and then retire from ATS?

Originally posted by SaturnFX
and a unprecidented record of filibusters for the 110th congress, blocking everything. the supermajority lasted only a little while before it was lost due to death.
The party of no, they created no policy, they only made sure nothing got done with a procedure meant to be used only for the most extreme of measures.

So Democrats don't filibuster?

reply to post by seabag


I think Peter Schiff's anti-corporate profit video questionnaire more or less sucked all the oomph out of the televised DNC. I can't even recall the DNC theme after watching Schiff's video.

Time is running out. Eastwood told you what is coming.

Excerpts from his speech:
I know what you are thinking
all left wingers out there, left of Lenin
conservatives play closer to the vest
but they are there, believe me, they are there
These people are all like-minded
Everybody is trying, Oprah was crying.
now it may be time for somebody else to come along and solve the problem
OK
terrorists in downtown New York City.
overrule 
we are moving onwards
the Russians
a target date for bringing everybody home
it is my turn
 absolutely crazy
Kind of a grin with a body behind it
weigh both sides.
devil’s advocating this
A stellar businessman
maybe still use a plane
big gas 
an ecological man
we own this country.
It is not you owning it, and not politicians owning it. Politicians are employees of ours.
when somebody does not do the job, we got to let them go
masochists
Make my day

Just like the seemingly disjointed Olympic ceremonies, he is giving you the same message in a seemingly disjointed message. It is their time, devil advocating masochists even more left than Lenin who are willing to use contrived events like Oklahoma and New York to MAKE HIS DAY POSSIBLE.

And they are serious and THEY (democrat and republican) ARE LIKE MINDED.

Only One gives Truth, and that is the True God of Heaven and Earth. Eastwood is a stool. Everyone laughed at his speech, yet, his words contain the most sinister warning to you. What is coming is unimaginable. Nothing, and I repeat nothing, is at it seems. These people are truly masochists because their father is Satan. Lenin said "The best revolutionary is a youth devoid of morals." He meant the laws of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob which have been stripped away. Why? Look who's coming. Believe it and seek the forgiveness already bought and paid for by Christ Jesus. Time is nearly up.

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I defend facts.
I also understand, and have said, I am not a good source for giving opinion because I am jaded. I have given the only reasonable answer which is that debates will make or break.

No, you simply spew the talking points of the left in the same way Rush Limbaugh does with the right. I've been on here a long while, and have never once seen you actually have your opinion swayed, even when you're dead wrong. You continually dismiss sources because they give commentary, stats, etc. that you don't agree with.

My opinion is based on hard facts and observation of actual issues. When many gray area subjects come up, I then make a principle stance.
Should facts change, my opinion reflects that. Rarely to facts change though, and with the many gray subjects where there is both good and bad, that is where principled stances come into play, and altering someones principles is pretty difficult.
Healthcare for instance. the argument for it is millions of people covered whom would otherwise not be covered. insurance caps for profit off serves, the counter is it erodes a tiny bit of freedom to demand people whom can afford health care get a plan...
this is principle. the good of the many over the good of the few sort of thing, so cater to the needs of the millions whom are trying to live, or cater to the one guy whom wants to stubbornly refuse insurance even though he can afford it.
to me, society requires rules, this rule works well enough (not even remotely perfect, and far off of what I personally would want, but its a step in the right direction).
Why would I change my principled stance of the benefit of many over the few. I don't fall into the overly emotional arguments of freedom and such as I know we don't have freedom in America...haven't since the early 1800s. we have liberties..I defend and promote liberties of people..freedom is anarchy, freedom is warlord wastelands. politicians pay lip service for freedom to people whom don't understand it but cheer for the word.

At least you're honest. It's really a pity, because even though you haven't shown the ability to bend even slightly on your opinion, you seem to at least be able to carry on a conversation. It's really a pity, because I would have expected someone of your apparent intellect to be able to do so.

Again, my opinions are derived from simple facts, statistics, logic, and principles in gray areas (such as abortion). You think its a pity that I don't bend? why would I? Do I suddenly not respect science? do I suddenly value emotions over logic in outlook of the world?
I bend, hell, I will reverse when hard facts with no gray area comes out showing differences.
Fact: Democrats for the past 50 years have created almost double the jobs when in office than republican counterparts. I am all about the jobs, therefore economically I see value in having a dem in office. This is not a feelings issue, its a mathmatics issue.
I look over graphs put out by congressional budget committees, department of treasury, etc...it is clear to me that the less damage and more progress comes when the left is in charge, and compromising with the right to create balance. Gimme Clinton in office and Gingrich in house..this works well

Changing one's mind over time, isn't a bad thing, and admitting when one is wrong,

Thing is, I have
In my teens/early 20s, I was economically a conservative. Socially everyone is more or less liberal..well not everyone, but most sane people. (probably why Ron Paul is relevant..he is the only social liberal out there).

So ya. I understand altering views over time when facts come clear...and they have..hense why I am liberal.

And incidently pink guns is not a liberal stance. no guns is also -not- a liberal stance (liberal keyword meaning liberty). Sane gun ownership is. If everyone has a gun, that means all the nuts have a gun also. goldfish in a blender psychology test. just because you won't hit the button doesn't mean the person behind you won't. (will explain that reference more if you don't undersand it).

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I don't claim the Republicans didn't play politics, both sides did and still do. None the less, Pres. Obama had almost 2 full years to ram his agenda through.....he chose Healthcare reform over jobs at a time when the jobs market was imploding. Very bad choice IMO.

He spent all his time and political capital on ObamaCare. His comments about not really taking Republican concerns & Ideas into the debate was the nail in the coffin. He basically told the Republicans in the Senate and House their ideas didn't matter. When he had the chance to be Presidential and give the Republicans some bones in Legislation matters, he went and shut them out.

Every great President has realized that you can't be President of the Democrat or Republican party, you have to get the other side to go along with you by giving them enough of their policies to get the majority of your ideas enacted into law. Say what you will, Obama basically told the Republicans that they were along for the ride with him and they better just enjoy the ride. They didn't. They got shutout of any Republican ideas during ObamaCare and it just went downhill from them. That to me was the tactical mistake President Obama made, he didn't let the other side get anything and save face.

If you are going to bemoan the lack of Bi-Partisanship, at least call out both sides for it. If Obama can't govern effectively without supermajorities in both houses, maybe that should be an indication that his polices are too extreme. A truly great President can rise above Partisanship and reach across the aisle with a deal that both parties can get behind. Do you really think that President Clinton and Newt Gingrich really wanted to help the other succeed? They both rose above it and got the job done.