[un]Official 2012 Obama DNC Speech Thread….What did he mean and do you believe it?

Originally posted by BritofTexas

2. Lower taxes for all. ( Go Mitt Go! )

That will pay off the debt? :

Well........every time the capital gains rate has been cut, total revenues from Capital Gains have increased. Since a tax cut has actually created more revenue, I'd say yes, provided you take that additional revenue and apply it to the Debt.

Of course were talking politicians here, give them more money and they will spend it. Don't give them enough money and they will just magically make more to spend.

He didnt need to lay out any specifics on what he is doing exactly. Bill Clinton did that the night before. His job was to inspire and motivate people to go out and vote for him. And thats what he did! Everyone agrees on that, except for foxnews and other republicans. The anchors on foxnews last night were too mad becuase they knew he was effective.

Originally posted by seabag
I don’t really know any independents.

I got a pretty representative circle of friends and family.
Dad is hardcore Limbaughesque conservative, mom is democrat/independant/uncaring (which defaults her to conservative voting because dad demands it)
Brothers are independant, uncles and such are split, further out is more independents, blue dogs, etc.

So, I hear every opinion available, from Obama is a secret muslim kenyan whom lost the debates in 2008 (yet magically won through cheating), to Obama is messiah, to who is our president? really? a black guy?

The speech last night neither made nor broke him..it was a standard speech, nice, but not earth shattering. the debates are the only thing of concern. a 1 day convention for both partys and 5 more debates are whats needed imo for all future runnings.

As far as detailed plans for the future, again, debates is when that comes out...nomination speeches have traditionally been "we will do good, not bad, we will do stuff and USA, USA!" for both partys...

Clinton so far has been the only real factbreaker in both conventions combined, hense why his speech was mind blowingly good and if anyone got swayed, it was because of that.

But Clinton isn't running (-sighs-).

Debates is all that matters. Its where McCain lost his presidency. Its where Ronald Reagan won his presidency, and it is where either R or O will claim the seat in 2012.

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My thoughts:
So, who has been prepped more then, the Dems that are fighting fire all the time, or the Reps whom have chosen to black out media outside of fox and are totally unprepared for an actual adult conversation that may slightly make them feel uncomfortable?

Originally posted by SaturnFX

So, in reality, it comes down to debates. Debates is where this ultimate stalemate makes or breaks a person. Who can answer, who can dance the words, etc. The base enjoyed the speech and will vote (applies to both rnc and dnc and their respective nominees). now the actual target audience is up next.

I agree, it will come down to debates. However I disagree with it's who dances the words. The American electorate is done with talk, we want results, specifically jobs. President Obama was late to the party about Jobs being his #1 Presidential priority and hasn't delivered the goods. Spin it any way you want, he didn't do enough, fast enough and America has suffered.

America just wants someone who will get us back from this unemployment mess. It's the economy stupid to quote somebody. Obama hasn't cut the mustard on it............NEXT!

Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by SaturnFX

So, in reality, it comes down to debates. Debates is where this ultimate stalemate makes or breaks a person. Who can answer, who can dance the words, etc. The base enjoyed the speech and will vote (applies to both rnc and dnc and their respective nominees). now the actual target audience is up next.

I agree, it will come down to debates. However I disagree with it's who dances the words. The American electorate is done with talk, we want results, specifically jobs. President Obama was late to the party about Jobs being his #1 Presidential priority and hasn't delivered the goods. Spin it any way you want, he didn't do enough, fast enough and America has suffered.

America just wants someone who will get us back from this unemployment mess. It's the economy stupid to quote somebody. Obama hasn't cut the mustard on it............NEXT!

People are not as stupid as some would want, yes

Jobs being the number 1 priority...indeed
4 million jobs in 3 years

What has the other side shown though? Was jobs their number 1 priority?

or was it this:



Clinton helped uncover the motives of the reps for the past 4 years, and their focus to toss the economy under the bus as best possible in order to gain power. This is now surfacing to mainstream america.
If the truth catches fire and goes viral, expect not only Obama to win, but a super majority to gain house once again.
What the right is hopeing for is that the truth lay hidden..Frankly, I don't know why Clinton and others are pushing for truth here and Obama seems to be ignoring it, but as I said, debates coming soon..perhaps he is waiting for the big guns when everyone is watching would be my guess.

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He didnt need to lay out any specifics on what he is doing exactly. Bill Clinton did that the night before.

Oh yeah? So what are the specifics? I heard Bill....he just made excuses for Obama.

His job was to inspire and motivate people to go out and vote for him. And thats what he did! Everyone agrees on that, except for foxnews and other republicans. The anchors on foxnews last night were too mad becuase they knew he was effective.

Everybody?

Why is the White House lowering expectations then?

CHARLOTTE - -Perhaps they are only trying to lower expectations, but President Obama's aides are warning backers: Don't expect a sharp rise in the polls after this week's Democratic convention.

The race is too close, the country too polarized.

"We know this election is close," said Obama campaign spokesperson Jen Psaki today on Fox & Friends. "There's a small group of undecided voters."

USAToday

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Did you hear the speech or catch the highlights on foxnews? Jeez, he broke down Obamas policies and gave his arguement for how they are working.

reply to post by theconspirator

Did you hear the speech or catch the highlights on foxnews? Jeez, he broke down Obamas policies and gave his arguement for how they are working.

He laid out a lot more details about his economic plan in 2008 yet he’s failed to deliver. Given the numerous broken promises of the past 4 years, what makes you think Obama will follow through with anything?

Increase the capital gains and dividends taxes for higher-income taxpayers? Nope!

Expand the child and dependent care credit? Nope!

Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners? Nope!

Provide option for a pre-filled-out tax form? Nope!

Create a mortgage interest tax credit for non-itemizers? Nope!

Require automatic enrollment in 401(k) plans? Nope!

Create a retirement savings tax credit for low incomes? Nope!

End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000? Nope!

Create a $60 billion bank to fund roads and bridges? Nope!

Repeal the Bush tax cuts for higher incomes? Nope!

Phase out exemptions and deductions for higher earners? Nope!

Lift the payroll tax cap on earnings above $250,000? Nope!

Forbid companies in bankruptcy from giving executives bonuses? Nope!

There are plenty more…..take a look

Originally posted by SaturnFX

I can not over emphasize the relevance of this little clip.

It should be shown on all networks in every add break.

This is the reason the economy is recovering even slower than it should.

McConnell and his minions on capital hill said YES to voter funded Wages, voter funded Healthcare, voter funded Pensions.... but NO to doing the job they were elected to do. All the while taking money from the Kock Brothers.

And the Rabid Right support them?

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Jobs were NOT President Obama's #1 priority, to say it was is disingenuous. Healthcare reform is what he rammed through as his #1 Priority, not getting America back to work as Priority #1,2 and 3.

He had control of both houses for 2 years, if in 2 years he didn't get his priorities straight, well maybe that is the reason he lost the House of Representatives and Scott Brown won. Obama miscalculated on what was really most important, Jobs were not his top priority. They should have been. It wouldn't even be a question of his re-election had he done that, IMO.

We will see how the election plays out. Notice that Obama didn't even try to fight the "Are you better off than 4 years ago" charge. He has a tough road to convince people his economic plan HAS worked and his proposed future plans WILL work.

With the vote pretty much even right now and 6-7% undecided...... it's going to be who has the better plan to deal with the economy and job creation. Everything else, healthcare, abortion, gay marriage, war on terror, the debt, medicare and Social Security are way on the back burner.

NO i dont believe it.


i wouldnt believe a damn thing those politician hacks have to say.

Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Jobs were NOT President Obama's #1

First thing he signed was a bill that sought for equal pay for EMPLOYED women.

reply to post by BritofTexas


Again, what did President Obama do with his political capital the first two years? Was it Jobs or Health Care? He rammed his policy through and had zero bipartisan ship while doing it. He reaped in 2010 what he sowed his first two years.

Originally posted by thepresident

Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Jobs were NOT President Obama's #1

First thing he signed was a bill that sought for equal pay for EMPLOYED women.

And what did that have to do with job creation? What was the unemployment rate back in January of that year?

Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by SaturnFX

So, in reality, it comes down to debates. Debates is where this ultimate stalemate makes or breaks a person. Who can answer, who can dance the words, etc. The base enjoyed the speech and will vote (applies to both rnc and dnc and their respective nominees). now the actual target audience is up next.

I agree, it will come down to debates. However I disagree with it's who dances the words. The American electorate is done with talk, we want results, specifically jobs. President Obama was late to the party about Jobs being his #1 Presidential priority and hasn't delivered the goods. Spin it any way you want, he didn't do enough, fast enough and America has suffered.

America just wants someone who will get us back from this unemployment mess. It's the economy stupid to quote somebody. Obama hasn't cut the mustard on it............NEXT!

Agree: I plopped myself down in front of the tv at 2130 last night to give the man a chance; about 5 minutesof flowery amorphic platitudes with no specifics(Quick cut away to camera3: "teary eyed" democrats hugging each other!) and the nausea returned (on schedule).

I don't see what everyone is always so choked up about when he speaks..

We all want "prosperity". "jobs". "Rights". and an end to the wars.. what's wrong with doing it in the first four years?? Something come up?

I want to believe Romney and Ryan will do what they claimed in their speeches too; I know better; But this guy is just insulting our intelligence now.

Originally posted by pavil

He rammed his policy through and had zero bipartisan ship while doing it.

My point exactly. He went with the right wing version of the bill and STILL only received obstruction from the GOP.

I'm glad you agree with me.

Originally posted by Heros_son
When Obama said this:

I’ll use the money we’re no longer spending on war to pay down our debt and put more people back to work – rebuilding roads and bridges; schools and runways.

It struck me that it almost sounded familiar. Then I remembered that he promised to do this with all of those shovel ready jobs.

Anyway, for anybody that missed the speech, the above link has every empty word.

edit on 6-9-2012 by Heros_son because: late night typo

Interesting point. Yeh, what money we're no longer spending on war? The money we are still borrowing from China or the money we haven't yet borrowed from China? Or the money he is going to go to the Fed to print, devaluing the dollar?
This is why we really need to analyze the empty rhetoric because he assumes he has an undeclared budget of 1 trillion a year to spend any way he sees fit.

reply to post by BritofTexas


Ummm are you contending that ObamaCare is really a right wing version of healthcare. I'm sure that's why it got such overwhelming Republican support right? What was the Party vote on Obamacare BTW? I really don't think I'm proving your point to be perfectly honest.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by GoOfYFoOt

 

It's amazing, what some of the best speech writers can come up with, when given the time. And in an election year, no less.

They earn their money….

Add to that, a silver-tongued lawyer, with a knack for oratory, and voi'la!

Teleprompter tonight…we’ll see how he delivers.

A speech for the ages...

Prediction?

I know the whole teleprompter thing is a favorite of those who juat started paying attention to politics during the W-Bush admin or later, but you do realize that presidents have been using teleprompters and speech-writers for decades, right? Yes, even George W. Bush, with his embarassing destruction of the English language and embarassingly poor speaking ability, was using - you guessed it - telepromptors.

Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by thepresident

Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Jobs were NOT President Obama's #1

First thing he signed was a bill that sought for equal pay for EMPLOYED women.

And what did that have to do with job creation? What was the unemployment rate back in January of that year?

Uh, what is the point of that statistic?

The economy was in free fall

Should we count the number of teeth in your head during round two of a fifteen round match?