I dislike the Right wing...

Yup, political war here we go. Flamers and all types. Obama haters.

In a nut shell. I dislike the Right wing, the GOP, the rep... Reasoning is pretty darn clear. I live in michigan, auto industry blue collar people. Were not the 1%. and were not people supporting the 1%, pretty sure Rightys do. Obama, yeah not at all what he was crack up to be, but better than some guy hanging out with his buddies taking a picture with money hanging out of his pocket. Interesting, Right wing thoughts are.

Again, yes Obama is no saving Messiah, Which gets to my other point. Would Jesus be for gay bashing, none rich taxing. Or with a group that "claims": (talking about dems) that they support the middle class. Yes Obama has helped the middle class a lot lately, i'm thinking health care, single mothers, mortgage etc.


As much as you want to think that wanting Obama out of the office is not about Race. I wonder about that, due to most of these GOP states claiming they are not racist, yet still holding clan rallys over the weekend next to red neck joes house full of hate.

I am going to get blasted, but whatever, I am trying to be civil.
I will try to find more commonalities between both parties

I dislike them because they want to start another war.

To throw the whole Right Wing under the bus is harsh. I think you mean to say that you dislike conservatives and I will agree with you as the definition of conservative is thus:

con·serv·a·tive   [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiv]
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

By definition a conservative viewpoint stagnates change.

reply to post by Jordan River


Well, let me start by saying, that as long as you believe people who disagree with Obama do so because of his race, there will never be political consensus in this country.

Are some people racists? Certainly. But when you take that brush and paint a large segment of the population who oppose his fiscal and political initiatives with that label, you contribute to one of the biggest problems we have in this country.

This nation was founded on the principle that all men were free to think anything they wanted about the world, creating a kind of soup of ideas and potential solutions from which the general populace could draw.

Today we only have division...and the suppression of ideas...and the leveling of pejorative labels that keep voices from being heard. In my opinion, that is a certain recipe for disaster.

So hate on.... It seems to be what everybody else is doing on both sides.

reply to post by redbarron626


Or maybe a better and more accurate definition for conservatives would be those who believe in limited government.

Do you dislike them too?

It's a busy site. I don't recall who coined this phrase but damn it was good:

It doesn't matter which wing you like the most, if the Eagle is in a cage.

Think about that people. Yes it was applauded.

reply to post by loam



Conservatives are manipulated by their fear of change and social progress. Just like cornered, frightened animals, conservatives tend to lash out in violence at anything that feels to be a threat be it real or manufactured. Guided mainly by primal instinct and superstition, these individuals are ready to be controlled and used if promised safety and minor personal gain.

Conservatives are a HUGE part of the problem.

reply to post by intrepid


Here.

Excellent quote.

obama has destroyed the "middle class".
take a look around you.

you do realize you have to pay for obamacare right?
and health insurance cost more than it did before obamacare.
what has he done for single mothers? nothing.
mortgages?
democrats orchestrated the mortgage collapse in the first place.

this is how communism is achieved,
destroy the middle class, then pit the rich against the poor.

pay your fair share. ring a bell?

you didn't build that. ring a bell?

don't believe me ?

read the book...
it's authors are
karl marx, and friedrich engles.


and the kkk was the terrorist arm of the democrat party.

reply to post by Jordan River


lol

I live in michigan, auto industry...

lol

2 words
vested interest

so when you sold your vote, how many race cards did you receive,
to throw out, when you're called on selling your vote?

and i am not white, so dont even think about going there

and this is all tongue in cheek, by the by, as an anarchist,
i have no concern at all which turd lands in the throne
next nov 5.

just momentarily curious as to what you think voting is for

reply to post by Snoopy1978


It would be pointless to respond your post as it is not clear what definition of conservative you were using.

When I use the term I generally mean it to mean folks who believe in limited government. In that regard, government wouldn't be largely in your business...and it wouldn't be in your bedroom.

I call myself a conservative, and I don't recognize anything about myself in your post.

reply to post by loam


Umm no I think i will stick with the definition in the dictionary and not what your opinion the definition should be.

reply to post by redbarron626




Then maybe you should study history more closely and choose the source that defines the term more appropriately in a political context.

reply to post by loam

Once again YOUR opinion and YOUR idea of conservative is moot. I have given you the definition from a dictionary and you seem to think that your opinion overrides this. It does not. You can spend all day telling someone your OPINION but it does not change the definition!

Oh and the little "roll your eyes" emoticon shows that you are just arguing from a adolescent standpoint!

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
reply to post by loam

 

Conservatives are manipulated by their fear of change and social progress. Just like cornered, frightened animals, conservatives tend to lash out in violence at anything that feels to be a threat be it real or manufactured. Guided mainly by primal instinct and superstition, these individuals are ready to be controlled and used if promised safety and minor personal gain.

Conservatives are a HUGE part of the problem.

Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains. - Winston Churchill

Food for thought...

reply to post by redbarron626


I can see you aren't a big fan of history....or language.

Test the sufficiency of your definition all on your own then. Do you honestly believe that is the only definition of conservative they can be found on the internet?

But I can also see you're not into the whole learning thing either.

Next.

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by redbarron626

 

Or maybe a better and more accurate definition for conservatives would be those who believe in limited government.

But in reality conservatism is not limited government. Traditionally conservatives are of the right wing. Traditionally the more right you go the more authority you have, fascism being the extreme. The more left you go the less authority, anarchism being it's extreme.

Traditionally if you are for less government, or government reform, you would be on the left.

The original political meanings of ‘left’ and ‘right’ have changed since their origin in the French estates general in 1789. There the people sitting on the left could be viewed as more or less anti-statists with those on the right being state-interventionists of one kind or another. In this interpretation of the pristine sense, libertarianism was clearly at the extreme left-wing.

www.la-articles.org.uk...

Historically the right wing is the establishment, and the left the revolutionaries demanding change. But in America everything has been twisted around by your very clever establishment. You have been conditioned to support the establishment, and to dismiss any idea of real change.

Just like Lennon said, "You think you're so clever and classless and free. But you're still peasants as far as I can see".

Originally posted by loam

Then maybe you should study history more closely and choose the source that defines the term more appropriately in a political context.

Thing is it's easy to make the mistake of thinking what happened in history defines a term.

For example a conservative does something, and what they do becomes the definition of conservative.

Like people think the definition of communism is totalitarian government because of Russia, N.Korea etc. Well they would be wrong in that thinking.

The only true definition of any term is the original definition, it's first use. Because otherwise anyone with some authority could add to it whatever they wish and claim it's legit. Which of course people do. It has been done with 'socialism', for example, it's gone from it's original meaning, workers ownership, to anything anyone can make stick they don't like.

If people would take the time to get a good grasp on definitions of the terms they so loosely use, these discussions might actually get somewhere. But people are lazy, and would rather just find an out of context quote they think says what they want it to. That is the problem with teh net, too easy for stuff to be taken out of context.

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot

Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains. - Winston Churchill

Food for thought...

He also said this...

"Liberalism is not socialism and never will be"

...in 1908 as Liberal Party candidate for Dundee, Scotland.

Liberalism came from the right wing establishment as a compromise for socialism. The establishment needed a way to control the dissent, and creating a social safety net was it. The liberals were mostly upper middle class, and even started appropriating the term 'socialism' in the 1800's. Their goal was to replace left-wing working class socialism with liberalism, a way to protect capitalism and appease the people, and make them pay for it. A win-win for the capitalist establishment. Capitalism with a social safety-net.

Conservatives are manipulated by their fear of change and social progress. Just like cornered, frightened animals, conservatives tend to lash out in violence at anything that feels to be a threat be it real or manufactured. Guided mainly by primal instinct and superstition, these individuals are ready to be controlled and used if promised safety and minor personal gain.

Liberals are motivated by the their hatred and intolerance of conservatives. That's why they embrace everything the conservatives reject.

But let's not get all partisany, all right?