God Will Use Obama to Punish America for it's Rebellion

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Salvation and faith were invented by Paul, a man who persecuted early followers of Jesus, those who had his TRUE message, not this crap we have today

Paul didn't invent salvation. You need to read the OT more often brah.

Show me one verse where Jesus says you must have faith he died on the cross.

It's all over the OT that he would be cut off, bruised and stripped for our iniquities. Cut off = killed before he could have children and that appears in Daniel. Not to mention Jesus prophecied his own death. Also, the Passover of Exodus 12 was a prophecy of the Lamb being slain to cover us from God's judgement, so is Genesis 22. It's also in the Geneaology of Names from Adam to Jesus.

Paul was a liar and was employed by the Romans to distort what Jesus said, and you have fallen for the trap they laid out for you

Paul didn't distort anything, your interpretation fails. You can't read the writing on the wall, don't feel bad, Belshezzar couldn't either, he had to get a believer to do it for him.

You don't need to believe in some dead guy to have eternal life, you have that already through reincarnation. Jesus even taught of reincarnation, his "father" was the man who came before him, the one he was before he came to Earth.

Maybe in your new age religion reincarnation exists. You can come back as a bullfrog if you want to. As for me? I'll be getting my spirit uploaded into a spankin new body where i retain all that i was in life that will never die. Show me where Jesus said anything about reincarnation. The Father came before Jesus? Funny i remember them being there at the same time.

John 1:1-13

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

John’s Witness: The True Light

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Some have the gift of remembrance, others don't, others it is taken away from by false stories and fake gods. You are your own god and you putting Jesus on a pedestal is denying yourself. Don't deny yourself, that is not what Jesus taught.

You mean the kind of remembrance that comes from being hypnotized? No thanks i'll pass on hypnotic suggestions. I'm not my own god, maybe in your new age religion you are, but not me. Jesus did not teach to not deny yourself. In fact Jesus taught to deny your worldly flesh for the Kingdom of God. You're a Satanist following Aleister Crowley.

"Do as you will shall be the whole of the law"- Aleister Crowley

Putting Jesus on a pedestal is exactly what we're supposed to do, he is Messiah the King of Kings, the King of Israel. the Almighty, the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last.

Isaiah 44:5-6

6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
7 And who can proclaim as I do?
Then let him declare it and set it in order for Me,
Since I appointed the ancient people.
And the things that are coming and shall come,
Let them show these to them.
8 Do not fear, nor be afraid;
Have I not told you from that time, and declared it?
You are My witnesses.
Is there a God besides Me?
Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one.’”

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


The Bible itself, along with the preachings of numerous priests and clergymen worldwide, declare your "God" to be a flawed one.

Should I list the fallacies chronologically or alphabetically?

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Brah? Really? Ok "brah", whatever you say.

Do you really think Jesus was the first to come along and say what he said? No he wasn't, he is only one among many who have come along and been lynched and killed for telling the truth. History repeats itself and your "prophecies" are nothing but vague generalizations based off of past experiences.

I'm going to make a prophecy right now, I'm going to die. I must be a prophet, worship me!

Paul was a liar, you are the one ignoring the writing on the wall. Like I said, name one verse where Jesus says you must have faith he died on the cross to reach heaven. You can't find one because he never said anything of the sort. You put too much faith in the made-up visions of men. Can you honestly not see how they have completely distorted your world-view? I can see it just by seeing the things you post on this forum, things that are completely unverifiable unless you take words in a book as "proof".

So you being uploaded into a new body is different from reincarnation how?

Show me one verse where Jesus says you are uploaded into a new body with full remembrance. You are taking what men said after the fact as fact. You are a slave to Paul and what he taught. You say you follow Jesus yet you believe in what Paul said, how ironic.

Where does Jesus ever state you should put him on a pedestal? Are you taking what others said about Jesus as fact instead of paying attention to what Jesus said out of his own mouth? Yes you are.

You are the one hypnotized not me. You are so hypnotized you will never see it. I have no idea who that guy is so how could I be one of his followers?

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

And what makes you think Paul was a real person? There are some who believe that "Paul" was a group of people.... ahem..... Romans. If you continue to believe what Paul said was true then you apparently have no idea what Jesus taught because Jesus taught nothing of what Paul taught, unless of course you believe Jesus really did come to Paul in a dream to teach him things never uttered from his mouth while alive. If so, you are delusional and caught up in the dogma "Paul" created.

Read Peter's commentary on Paul in 2 Peter 3:15-16.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


For me, all these names, creating this story, as you say, just proves and reinforces my belief that all these Bible stories are merely rewritten folklore from various cultures that influenced the Hebrews.

The Noah story is a direct copy, albeit a shortened one, of the Epic of Gilgamesh, that they probably picked up during their bondage in Babylon. The names have been changed but the history remains "somewhat" in tact simply because the names dictate so.

The same with the prophecies of the "Christ" or "Logos." This "Logos" or "Christ" philosophy wasn't a unique concept and was studied, theorized and debated among scholars and Gnostics as far back as Pythagoras and Plato. The Jesus "Christ" theme was slipped into the New Testament through "Paul's" writing and philosophy

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

The Bible itself, along with the preachings of numerous priests and clergymen worldwide, declare your "God" to be a flawed one.

Should I list the fallacies chronologically or alphabetically?

Their view of him is flawed. And if you think i am going to believe anything that comes out of Rome in this day and age, think again.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Do you really think Jesus was the first to come along and say what he said? No he wasn't, he is only one among many who have come along and been lynched and killed for telling the truth. History repeats itself and your "prophecies" are nothing but vague generalizations based off of past experiences.

I'm going to make a prophecy right now, I'm going to die. I must be a prophet, worship me

Jesus was not the first to claim Messiahship as per Gamaliel's writings, but he was the first to perform miracles and signs as the Messiah must in order for the jews to believe. He was also the first to create a faith that has spanned across 2000 years and going strong where hundreds of millions across the age have accepted him as King and died for their love of him. I challenge you to do the same thing. Gamaliel said if christianity was born of God none could destroy it and they would find themselves fighting even God himself if they tried, and that if it was not born of God it would quickly fade and be forgotten. 2000 years later after many attempts to destroy us, we're still here. Hundreds of millions of people across the centuries, all to love 1 Jew. You can mock the prophets all you want false disciple, there is nothing of Christ in you, and me, and my brothers and sisters see you for what you are.

I'm going to make my own prophecy, yes one day you will die, and on that day you will cry out in fear and ask Yeshua to forgive your blasphemies against him before Death comes to drag you down to sheol.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

 

Do you really think Jesus was the first to come along and say what he said? No he wasn't, he is only one among many who have come along and been lynched and killed for telling the truth. History repeats itself and your "prophecies" are nothing but vague generalizations based off of past experiences.

I'm going to make a prophecy right now, I'm going to die. I must be a prophet, worship me

Jesus was not the first to claim Messiahship as per Gamaliel's writings, but he was the first to perform miracles and signs as the Messiah must in order for the jews to believe. He was also the first to create a faith that has spanned across 2000 years and going strong where hundreds of millions across the age have accepted him as King and died for their love of him. I challenge you to do the same thing. Gamaliel said if christianity was born of God none could destroy it and they would find themselves fighting even God himself if they tried, and that if it was not born of God it would quickly fade and be forgotten. 2000 years later after many attempts to destroy us, we're still here. Hundreds of millions of people across the centuries, all to love 1 Jew. You can mock the prophets all you want false disciple, there is nothing of Christ in you, and me, and my brothers and sisters see you for what you are.

I'm going to make my own prophecy, yes one day you will die, and on that day you will cry out in fear and ask Yeshua to forgive your blasphemies against him before Death comes to drag you down to sheol.

Jesus was not the first and will not be the last, that you can be sure of.

What miracles did he perform other than those that were scribbled in by the Romans after the fact. Funny that the ones he supposedly performed can be correlated with completely natural phenomena, and where is your proof that any of that stuff can be done? All the miracles Jesus supposedly performed are completely impossible by the laws of physics. I wouldn't put that much faith in a book written by men if I were you. Men have proven time and time again how deceitful they can be.

I never claimed to be a disciple. The false disciple you are looking for is Paul, the one who so conveniently converted just in time to distort what Jesus said by claiming Jesus came to him in a dream/vision and telling him things never said while alive. That doesn't even seem a little bit suspicious to you? You keep waiting for the anti-christ to come along yet refuse to see that is who you have worshiped all along, the Jesus of the church. The distorted version of the true Jesus, the one preached of in church and in your own words.

Your prophecy is full of hot air, you speak as if you know what happens while you die or after you die. Have you ever died or been close enough to death to know that this Sheol exists? I stand where I am firmly and without doubt so I know that I will not cry out to your god because I know he doesn't exist. Your empty judgement does not affect me, sorry.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Matthew 16:23
Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

The one you worship calls Peter Satan so why would you trust anything he says? As far as I'm concerned Paul and Peter were of the same ilk, those who looked to use Jesus' story for their own benefit.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

I'm going to make my own prophecy, yes one day you will die, and on that day you will cry out in fear and ask Yeshua to forgive your blasphemies against him before Death comes to drag you down to sheol.

Whatever happened to "Thou shalt not judge"?

reply to post by prophetboy12

God's tenants.

God has "tenants"? Where do they live??

I think you mean tenets. I also think your idea is bizarre.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Matthew 16:23
Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

The one you worship calls Peter Satan so why would you trust anything he says? As far as I'm concerned Paul and Peter were of the same ilk, those who looked to use Jesus' story for their own benefit.

Was that before or after he was born again and filled with the Holy Spirit? Please tell what Christ said to Peter and asked of him post resurrection.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

I'm going to make my own prophecy, yes one day you will die, and on that day you will cry out in fear and ask Yeshua to forgive your blasphemies against him before Death comes to drag you down to sheol.

Whatever happened to "Thou shalt not judge"?

Can you source "thou shalt not judge"?

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by prophetboy12

 

God's tenants.

God has "tenants"? Where do they live??

I think you mean tenets. I also think your idea is bizarre.

He has a few houses He got when the housing bubble burst in 07.. He rents them out to single mothers.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


So you're saying Peter never believed until after Jesus was still alive after 3 days? If he didn't believe then why was he one of Jesus' apostles? Did he never see Jesus and the miracles he performed? If he never saw then why would he spread such things without ever seeing them himself?

He always had "human concerns" before and after the crucifixion, if not he never would have called the fraud Paul a brother.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Try again minus the straw men. Try this question.. all Christ's disciples called Paul a faithful brother, so what is your disconnect here? Explain why you are right 2000 years removed and all them are wrong who lived and died with Paul in the first century.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Because the disciples, who were only human, couldn't have been wrong, right?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Could you cite verses in which each disciple calls Paul a brother? I'm not saying you're lying it's just I have never come across but the one.

Also, if Peter wasn't a believer even after seeing all these miracles Jesus supposedly performed and was still going against what Jesus taught, what makes you think he would suddenly change his mind after the crucifixion?

I would think a man walking on water would be much more amazing than a guy coming out of a cave after 3 days, wouldn't you? I would have believed the second I saw that feat, but apparently it wasn't good enough for the zealot.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


That's beside the point. I'm sure they called Judas a brother, and look how he repaid them. Being called a brother means nothing. ACTING like a brother is more like it.

More to the point, acting like a brother as part of a cause that is true to the world. Of course, our understanding is no where near good enough to even TRY to say that that was the case.

The point here being, regardless of whether or not he was a brother, is whether he ACTED like a brother. And WHY he was a brother. Get what I'm saying?

reply to post by AfterInfinity

1Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

LOL.

Forget about "brother" Paul. Basically, he's saying that he is the worldly father under Jesus, The first Pope of the Roman Catholic Church. Not Peter, but Paul is the "Holy Father!"

Outrageous blasphemy!