TSA Searches at the airport

the problem with flying is, you're not given a choice.

very seldom can you just say no thank you, i'll take the bus or the train and turn around.

that'll raise 50 red flags and you'll be detained any ways.

you'll be surrounded by airport security until you agree to go with them.

reply to post by foodstamp


This is why I always drive. I simply cannot take the scene at the airport.
I refuse to live that way.
Only if I'm going oversees would I deal with this.
As far as the road blocks, I generally only take backroads.
I've driven across the country on country roads. It takes twice as long but it is worth it.

I wish everyone could just carry a gun whenever and wherever they want, even if it is concealed.
That way, after a few years of scary times, there will be very few "criminals" left alive.
Sure innocent people will get blown away in the process, but the resulting gene pool would be worth it.
Anyone gets too punky, bang.
Soon you will notice a world filled with respect and honor.

Flying should be pretty much free during this period since the chances of a gun fight turning into a nose dive are going to be on the rise...

Why debate whether or not it's legal? Since when does the Federal Governmet give a rat's behind whether something they do is allowed by the Constitution or not? If the Federal Government wants to molest children at airports, they are going to molest children at airports, regardless of what any law says. If need be, they will just have some lawyer write an incomprehensible paper to justify it. That's how they justify rape, torture, and murder, so why not pedophilia?

If you are the sort of person that supports this kind of thing, well, here's hoping that your kids get TSAed when they go Trick-or-Treating this year for Halloween.

I think the best way to put a dent in this is to have a National TSA Registry, just like the National Sex Offender Registry. Let their friends and neighbors know exactly what sort of person they have living in their communities.

reply to post by VictorVonDoom


Better yet, the TSA should be robots.
That way we won't feel to weird when they molest us.
It might even be fun

Here is my take on all this TSA madness. Everyone is a potential terrorist and criminal. So for the "greater good" we all must submit to being classified as criminals. This is pre-crime in its infancy.

The 4th Amendment guarantees us from unreasonable searches or seizures. If the TSA were private we would have no gripe as any private business does not have to grant you any rights. However since the TSA is part of the GOV they should abide by the constitution but don't because We the People don't force them to.

I am on a no fly list of sorts... I can fly but I have to have all my bags scanned and hand-searched I have to go through every screening procedure they have including the pat down. The last time I flew I was striped searched. Had I not had to fly I would left the airport. I did tell the 6'7" TSA goon while I was in my underwear if he touched me I would make my trip to jail worth it, as a result I did not get touched but I was searched at every stop in a 3 leg trip. I almost didn't get to fly home. The TSA denied be boarding access so I called a cousin in the FBI and he got me approved after a 4 hour wait.

I have flown all over the world and never had the disrespect as a person that I have had flying with in the US.

We truly live in a stazi style police state and it is only going to get worse unless we group together as a whole and just say no.

As an American you have a better chance of being killed by lightning than dieing in a terrorist attack worldwide.

Look it up

As for the TSA ... eff'em; may they all reap what they sow.

So am I correct in assuming that the majority of you would agree that it is NOT a successful deterant to any whack job who'd like to bring down an airplane? Is the general consensus here that going back to regular metal detectors and much stricter guidelines for the TSA like pre 911 would be just as successful in detering terrorists and average everyday whack jobs?

I have a question for anyone who travels internationally. How is security handled in foreign airports where the TSA does not exist? Are the procedures the same just by another agency or are they more lax. It seems to me if someone was up to no good it may be easier to pull their stunt in a foreign country.

reply to post by usmc0311


I was reading the leaked Gitmo documents on Wikileaks (A very good read BTW) and they indicated that Pakistan has very similar procedures and that has lead to the most effective method for capture high value targets. Not random people being swept up, but actual people whom the CIA and other agencies have evidence on. I was quite suprised to see that Pakistan airports and their procedures have been more effective than any military methods being used all combined. Interesting...

reply to post by usmc0311


Way worse.
Frankfurt makes you through security 3 times

but i should add that in europe they don't molest you with opera addicted, dr. ozz inspired delirious agenda.

reply to post by SWCCFAN


How can you wish people's children get molested as a form of "payback" for elective searches? Sick...

And may I remind you. NOBODY unknowingly subjected their children to searches or body scanners. They knew it was going to happen AND THEY DID IT ANYWAY. They subjected their own children to "Molestation" don't forget that! It seems that you have.

When cops start kicking doors down and patting down your children cause your neighbor said you threw something suspicious into the trash, well, then you have a case to complain. But in this instance... There are no victims here.. Just sicko parents that subject their children to "molestation" then turn around and record it for the world to see...Even sicker...

Originally posted by foodstamp
So am I correct in assuming that the majority of you would agree that it is NOT a successful deterant to any whack job who'd like to bring down an airplane? Is the general consensus here that going back to regular metal detectors and much stricter guidelines for the TSA like pre 911 would be just as successful in detering terrorists and average everyday whack jobs?

My opinion, and just mine, is that this country would be better off if we had a 9/11 style attack every year and did absolutely nothing about it, rather than use it as an excuse to take away the rights of American citizens and bankrupt our country with endless wars. I know it sounds callous, but the people that died on 9/11 would have all died eventually. The buildings could be rebuilt. But the rights, freedoms, and liberties we lost after 9/11 were not taken away from us by terrorists, they were taken by our own government. And not only are they lost to us, but they are lost to all Americans born after us.

When I was in the service, I was willing to sacrifice my life for the freedom of my fellow Americans, and I would wager that many of those who died on 9/11 would feel the same way. I don't think they would like the idea that their deaths were being used by the government to take away the rights of future generations.

Not only get groped but get blasted with radiation through the scanners

reply to post by VictorVonDoom


Couldn't have said it better...

reply to post by foodstamp


I suggest you re-read my post as you clearly misunderstood it.

The TSA should not subject anyone to all this madness.

The only real terrorist are sponsored by the state.

reply to post by SWCCFAN


I'm sorry. I had replied to the wrong message..That was not meant for you...

And oddly enough, the message and person to whom that was directed to has all disappeared. Perhaps they erased it right before I clicked on it and selected your name instead. It was a nasty message about TSA officers children needing to be molested and what not...

reply to post by VictorVonDoom


Exactly!

I would rather live in a dangerously free nation than a safely restricted nanny state.

reply to post by Wolf321


You know what would be even better? A government that doesn't create terrorists and terrorism in the first place with their agenda of murder and land grabbing.

I am never going to visit America while I know the TSA are there and performing invasive searches. This is the only reason I would avoid American - no other reason.

I can recall when I was younger a trip to the airport meant booking your luggage in and you walked through the gates and waited in the lounge. No more of that - in Australia we are shuttled into the cordoned off areas that weave in a snake like pattern - wait in line and then - no pun intended - place our belongings onto a cafeteria type tray.

Having long hair I purchased a couple of decorated hair pins. Think hatpin but wider and one was metal and had a dangling decoration and the other was wooden with decorations on it. The security guy pulled me over after I had been through the metal detector and asked me to put my bag up on his desk. I went to open it and he put his hand on mine - I stated I am a former Police officer and this is my property. In short I was polite and he looked at both my hair pins and took the metal one and left me the wooden one. If you want to get technical a pen or pencil could perform the same function. I will let you guess as to why my metal hat pin was confiscated.

I still shake my head at that one - not because he took my hair pin - but because he left the other items in my bag that could do the same... I hate flying and refuse to whenever I can.

Searching people because of a conceived notion they are a threat is supposition and that is not permitted in a court of law so why in blazes is it permitted out of court...?????? Things that make you go hmmm...

Much Peace...to the Awakened who know what is going on and why and much in the way of triggers to the sleepers...

I did a small, very small honestly amount of research on this topic, more
i should say on the topic of the effectiveness of this increased security,
truth is even before the TSA, hijackings or attacks on plane was going
down very very quickly between 1990 and 2010, they used one especially
heinous act to introduce all of this unnecessary increased security in an
area that was already improving, now i cant say things have gotten worse
since the TSA started but the downward trend of these incidents continued.

one could credit TSA but i doubt its them, i think it was just already heading
that way due to airlines realizing no one wanted to be a victim of these
kinds of attacks and were already nipping it in the bud themselves, lets
face it, the incentive to the airlines was already there, high cost aircraft
being crashed or blown up does not equal profit.

i think the TSA has too much authority and not enough brains to back it up,
truly the things we see from them are half idiotic and half power trip.
i always find it funny that we continue to increase the amount of
paid government employees without considering that without private
sector tax payers these people have no income, what happens once
that magic tipping point where there are far too many government
workers than we can pay for anymore and this all collapses.

ah the search for eternal life does do hilarious things to people.
not only do they want the ability to travel round the world in less
than a day they expect it to be 100% safe, never gonna happen.
live life, live it well, that way when some righteous fool with a bomb
strapped to himself pops up and your about to buy the big one
at least you can look that guy in the eye and laugh because
you know the only thing he has know was pain and strife,
and you got live free and happy, fear is what they fight with,
they have already won by achieving it,

i would be willing to die to remain free, and yes id be willing
to allow some of you folks to die for that as well. i know it may
seem harsh but damn it, they cant have my freedom because
their god/leader/king told them they had to live a horrid life
of violence and hatred.