MMR Vaccine 'Caused Deafness' In Children proven.

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Truth is Stu that I never called you parenting skills into question.
If you are as well researched as you claim to be and made a decision to vaccinate your children - Good for you and I am pleased your children suffered no ill effects.
It is a personal choice.

I on the other hand have known personal heart ache and since have done my homework on the subject.
If you think I am just spouting from a delusional paranoid point of view - well think that - I do not care what you think of me.
I am not here for you but for those who know what I am speaking of through their own tragedy.

I have already posted evidence that shows Vaccinaions cause more harm than good and shows a Calluos Disregard fo public health and collusion by Big Pharma and the British Government.

I am not the person you describe - You do not know me.

Your stated figure of % in a population of billions is no small matter even though your figure is pulled from the air.
If you took the trouble to read the independent medical evidence you would see that Big Pharma does indeed fix statistics - In order to push their Unscientific Herd Vaccination policy.

drsuzanne.net...

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Vaccination

After thoroughly examining both sides of the vaccination debate, Dr. Humphries unequivocally stands by the conviction that vaccines are an insult to life and health.

The history of vaccination is more complicated than most people understand. The antivaccinationist movement is hundreds of years old. It heated up in the 1800′s, when parents in the UK became fed up with watching their completely healthy infants and children die shortly after the smallpox vaccinations. Parents and doctors risked losing their homes, their furniture and their livelihoods in order to beat back the deadly, disease-provoking smallpox vaccines. The vaccines were made from pus scraped off of diseased cows’ belly sores, contaminated with all sorts of disease matter. The smallpox vaccine history is not what you think it is, if you think vaccines wiped out smallpox. See this chapter for more information on the smallpox history.

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Arbitrageur, I compiled those tables from Part B Vital statistics and Health and Medical Care. They do not appear singularly as I have presented them. For example the data for Diphtheria, Pertussis and Influenza is on page 58. I am not above human error in transcribing, so if I have misrepresented something please let me know.

Originally posted by Maslo
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Your data shows mortality. This is dependent on other things than vaccines, such as an actual therapy. Thats why it decreases even before vaccines are deployed. You should look for incidence to see the undeniable effect of vaccines.

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edit on 6/9/12 by Maslo because: added link

I have seen this CDC info in my research. Your statement acknowledges the decline of disease morbidity prior to the Vaccines. Wasn't morbidity the primary reason vaccines were pushed in the first place? Decline of disease incidence in the wake of vaccines is a tough cookie. I read both sides regularly. I will leave you with two disease incidence counter points - CDC Based and again from paper sources.

CDC has proposed that all cases of polio in the U.S. after 1979 have been caused by the vaccine, not the disease itself. Strebel, P et al - Epidemiology of Poliomyelitis in the U.S.Clinical Infections Diseases CDC Page 568 Feb 1992.

CDC reports measles outbreaks in populations with 100% vaccination rates. Source: CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 4 Oct 1984. Maybe they have changed their tune since.

Stumason, I am double checking my timelines. I know that Britain's and Germany's compulsory vaccination was decades before the US, and of Jenner's cowpox "discovery" in 1798. In the case of smallpox, Massachusetts was the first state to mandate the vaccine in 1898. My date of 1902 was the when the many of US states had adopted such policies as it coincided with the Biologics Control Act for the hygienic production of smallpox and other vaccines. So, I will double check, readdress, and label the scope of the "debuts" as to the year of the compulsory mandate in the US, and or the year the commercial vaccine was released to meet said mandate. So for example, the Salk polio Vaccine was created in 1952, approved in 1954, and released for compulsory vaccination in 1955. Thanks for keeping me honest. Tactful cynics welcome.

All you people crying murder in here:

- Do you realise how many vaccines have been given with no ill effect?
-Do you realise that, sadly, there will always be a tiny percentage os people who get serious side effects from a particular medication?
-Do you realise its far more dangerous to leave your child unvaccinated?
-MMR jab does NOT cause autism?


Or does all this common sense spoil all the "get your pitchforks!!!" action you all seem to crave?

Just what the world needs, more idiots not vaccinating their kids.

Originally posted by 3danimator
All you people crying murder in here:

Just what the world needs, more idiots not vaccinating their kids.

- Do you realize how many vaccines have been given with no ill effect?

"VAERS is a passive reporting system." "Under-reporting is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, under-reporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events."

In the case of billions of doses, yes, what is reported is a small number. Unfortunately, there are only estimates on what is not reported. Hard to tell and present objective information on this.

-Do you realize that, sadly, there will always be a tiny percentage of people who get serious side effects from a particular medication?

Yes, we do understand that... hence why there is adverse reaction reporting mechanisms in place.

-Do you realize its far more dangerous to leave your child unvaccinated?

Logically speaking, there are two outcomes to not vaccinating. (1) Vaccines work and my child is protected by the 90%+ vaccinated herd and I don't need to vaccinate. (2) Vaccines don't work, are damaging and suppressive of natural immunity gained from getting the actual disease and I don't need to vaccinate.

My measles, mumps and chicken pox were biological rites of passage. My Mom sent me over to play with kids who had the diseases!

Another anecdote, my grandmother had polio as a child. Recovered fine. One could argue that the disease had predisposed her to the severe arthritis and osteoporosis she suffered in her 90's, but that supposes causation from correlation.

-MMR jab does NOT cause autism?

No, correlation is not causality, but there is some pretty compelling correlation.

Originally posted by 3danimator
All you people crying murder in here:

- Do you realise how many vaccines have been given with no ill effect?
-Do you realise that, sadly, there will always be a tiny percentage os people who get serious side effects from a particular medication?
-Do you realise its far more dangerous to leave your child unvaccinated?
-MMR jab does NOT cause autism?


Or does all this common sense spoil all the "get your pitchforks!!!" action you all seem to crave?

Just what the world needs, more idiots not vaccinating their kids.

To tens of thousands that vaccines have effected your statement makes as much sense as "Not every bullet fired hits someone therefore keep firing the bullets"
You state things with no information or sources to back up your false claims
At least be coherent if you wish to discuss this Serious topic

Edit to add - This is not Face Book

Originally posted by artistpoet

Originally posted by 3danimator


To tens of thousands that vaccines have effected your statement makes as much sense as "Not every bullet fired hits someone therefore keep firing the bullets"
You state things with no information or sources to back up your false claims
At least be coherent if you wish to discuss this Serious topic

Edit to add - This is not Face Book

edit on 6-9-2012 by artistpoet because: (no reason given)

I was very coherent. But if it makes you feel like you are better or have won the argument then go ahead and pretend that what i said didnt make sense or that ..im on facebook?

And by the way, this place is really no better than facebook. In fact, it probably has more nutters.

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I do not think I am better than any
Sorry if I offended you - I take it back

Yet all I ask is to be open minded and look at why so many now are viewing vaccines as bad news.
Because I have personally effected - I have made it my business to look into this subject.
I am not just saying things off the top of my head - It really does concern me

Yet to get an answer if the OP was focusing on UK vaccines or worldwide? If worldwide, are they manufactured by the same pharmaceutical company or by multiple? If multiple, do they maintain the same formulation or it varies according to the geographic region and demographics based on the race? Can there also be a case of 'bad batch' of vaccines which were allowed to pass through to avoid company loss? Many questions that needs answered including tampering with vaccines by bootleg pharmaceutical companies.

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NO worries. Im sorry for my part too.

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Now that is funny. When i was a kid we had to get vaccinated for MMR and polio. I havent had to get them since. I don't get flu vaccines or anything else and i'm doing just fine.

Of course you won't need them since. You get one shot and that's it! Not really seeing your pint here.

For the record, I don't get Flu shots, I just tough it out when I get the Flu every few years as do my kids. I'm not that willing, however, to run the risk of my kids getting mumps which, ironically given the article in the OP, can cause deafness amongst other things.

My point is, i'm not comfortable taking things that screw people up and give them crap like Guillan-Barre Syndrome and other neurological disorders, and some have caused intestinal disorders like the one that i had that caused my colon to go necrotic when i was 18 in which it had to be removed leaving me with an ileostomy for life. They can screw your body up to where it's at 60% and useless and you get absolutely nothing in return, no compensation not one red cent.

Originally posted by stumason
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You only have to look at child mortality before mass vaccination and after to get the figures you want. It is utterly undeniable that vaccination has helped more people survive into adulthood and beyond, even if a very small minority have a reaction.

Stumason, your Infant mortality point got me digging again, and so I present the following US data on the matter. As I have said before correlation is not causation, but, it is points worth rationally considering, and digging deeper into.

America by far is the most vaccinated country. Here is our Infant through 6 years vaccine Schedule.

Infant mortality should be almost nonexistent, aside from infanticide and accidents, however, we rated #46* last year and #48* in 2012. Source: WorldFactBook Central Intelligence Agency website.

*Note. The listing on the site is reversed from greatest to least morbidity. I inversed it for the sake of this post (222-174 = 48).

Infants in 47 other countries of the world stand a better chance of survival to age 1 than ours do.

This is concerning because in 2006 we were #41. Source: Infant Mortality: UNICEF UNDER-FIVE MORTALITY RANKING

What will be interesting is what will be found when I research the other countries Vaccination policies. I have not done this yet.

Another point I think needs to be brought out is pediatrician’s morbidity catch all of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). An estimated 10,000 American babies mysteriously die each year with SIDS diagnosis. Before mass vaccinations, the term didn’t exist, and crib deaths were few and far between. My Generalization from Source Book: Mendelsohn R, MD How To Raise A Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor, Ballantine New York 1984.

Viera Scheibner is the real expert on SIDS. Her life’s work shows an unmistakable correlation with vaccines. Source Book: Scheibner, V PhD Vaccination: The Medical Assault on the Immune System, Australian Print Group 1993.

"SIDS is the leading cause of death among infants aged 1–12 months." This is also the time the bulk of vaccines are given (possible correlation see (d) JAPAN). And reference vaccine Schedule above. "Although the overall rate of SIDS in the United States has declined by more than 50% since 1990, rates for non-Hispanic black and American Indian/Alaska Native infants remain disproportionately higher than the rest of the population. Reducing the risk of SIDS remains an important public health priority." Source.

The reduction in SIDS since the 1990s could be argued to be attributed to the reduction of exposure to mercury as a preservative in childhood vaccines. Source. Or, simply better education and parents putting babies on their backs to sleep until they can roll and have control of their head as proposed here.

Again, correlation, but, one worth legitimately looking into. It will be interesting to see if those higher on the list have lesser incidence of SIDS. And if so, what their vaccine policy is.

I like the morbidity number base because like birth, all death is recorded. It’s a good data set that I can overlay other incidences on to find correlations and trends. Everyone want to find the smoking causal gun… but, I’ll settle for a handful of corollaries to continue molding the hypothesis.

hp1229 you raise some other good questions that have the noggin going. Yes, there are multiple manufacturers, GlaxoSmithKline and Merck come to mind. Vaccine formulations are proprietary much like Coca Cola, but a generalized summary of ingredients can be found here.

And yes, there have been bad batches of vaccines given out and then recalled with adverse reactions being reported. Dangerous Batch of H1N1 Vaccine Found

Tony and Cherrie Blair would not allow their children to have the mmr i remember it well when he was in office there was a big stink about it but they refused so it just shows they knew something was wrong

Originally posted by PlanetxIsComing
Tony and Cherrie Blair would not allow their children to have the mmr i remember it well when he was in office there was a big stink about it but they refused so it just shows they knew something was wrong

As I recall batches of vaccine that had been banned in Canada as unsafe were bought and used to re vaccinate school children in Britain