MMR Vaccine 'Caused Deafness' In Children proven.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

Exactly, but it's fashionable to make out like it's a huge problem being swept under the rug. It isn't.

I am willing to bet that there are far more cases of an adverse reaction to paracetamol or anti-biotics, but it isn't cool to spread panic about them.

What these anti-vaccine people fail to realise (or simply ignore) is that without vaccines, most of the world's poputlaion wouldn't even be here, we'd all be dying of smallpox, polio or a myriad of other diseases.

All 3 of my kids have had their full quota of vaccines are are not deaf, not autistic and actually excelling in their development. Without the vaccines, chances are at least two of them wouldn't even make it to adolescence, let alone adulthood.

This has nothing to do with being fashionable so that point is mute
Or do you mean there is more awareness of the risks involved in vaccines and medications through peoples access to information via the inter net.

To say as you do that half the worlds population would not be here but for vaccines is your own fallacy and a ridiculous statement.

Seems you buy into the real fear-mongers - Would be nice to believe in your cosy view that Government and Big Pharma care about the nations health.

It is you who are paying lip service without any experience who is being the Fearmonger
Vaccinate or half the world will die - Big Fat Wrong

I advice to investigate for yourself before putting a child's health at risk
My own personal experience and reading up on such matters says I would never vaccinate any child and furthermore the silencing of those who speak out against such practice is shameful

reply to post by artistpoet


You only have to look at child mortality before mass vaccination and after to get the figures you want. It is utterly undeniable that vaccination has helped more people survive into adulthood and beyond, even if a very small minority have a reaction.

Now, before you mount your high horse again and make out like I put my children at risk (quite the opposite in fact, you pompous little person), I never actually denied any potential side affects to being vaccinated.

You get side affects to ALL MEDICINE and given the sheer scale of vaccination programmes, the fact that only 6 people have had their deafness "linked" (and this is circumstantial and not actually "proven") out of several million is actually pretty good for modern medicine. It's all very well people saying "but I bet there are hundreds of thousands more" is just pure bullcrap and based on nothing, yet you will have a pop at me for claiming millions have been saved, which is actually easily provable.

People have reactions to band aids, painkillers and anti-biotics, often fatal.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by artistpoet

 

You only have to look at child mortality before mass vaccination and after to get the figures you want. It is utterly undeniable that vaccination has helped more people survive into adulthood and beyond, even if a very small minority have a reaction.

Now, before you mount your high horse again and make out like I put my children at risk (quite the opposite in fact, you pompous little person), I never actually denied any potential side affects to being vaccinated.

You get side affects to ALL MEDICINE and given the sheer scale of vaccination programmes, the fact that only 6 people have had their deafness "linked" (and this is circumstantial and not actually "proven") out of several million is actually pretty good for modern medicine. It's all very well people saying "but I bet there are hundreds of thousands more" is just pure bullcrap and based on nothing, yet you will have a pop at me for claiming millions have been saved, which is actually easily provable.

People have reactions to band aids, painkillers and anti-biotics, often fatal.

See you have to lower yourself to insults yet again Stumason with any who oppose you.
Well your bullying way does not wash with me sunshine.

If you took your blinkers off - You might be able to discern my stance
I say that one should not blindly accept the official line but look at all sides of the discussion but for you there is no discussion it seems

Sticks and Stones Stu, sticks and stones
Thought you might be above that - Thought you were better than that and still do really

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

What these anti-vaccine people fail to realise (or simply ignore) is that without vaccines, most of the world's poputlaion wouldn't even be here, we'd all be dying of smallpox, polio or a myriad of other diseases.

Actually, when one takes the time to browse historical statistics, the kind found in hard copy medical annals and journals, you will find that vaccines consistently followed the decline of diseases as they burned through populations and REAL herd immunity was created. Vaccines always followed. They never preempted the decline. None. Not One. Ever.

Historical statistics copied from: US Dept of Comm. Historical Statistics of the U.S. Part 1 Bureau of Census 1975. This reference can be found in any Library. You usually have to ask at the reference desk for this one though.

DEATHS PER 100,000, U.S.
Year (D)DIPHTHERIA (P)PERTUSSIS (M)MEASLES (I)INFLUENZA
1900 (D)40.3 (P)12.2 (M)13.3 (I)202.2
1910 (D)21.1 (P)11.6 (M)12.4 (I)155.9
1920 (D)15.3 (P)12.5 (M)8.8 (I)207.3
1930 (D)4.9 (P)4.8 (M)3.2 (I)102.5
1940 (D)1.1 (P)2.2 (M).5 (I)70.3
1945 (D)1.2 (P)1.3 (M).2 (I)51.6
1950 (D).3 (P).7 (M).3 (I)31.3
1955 (D).1 (P).3 (M).2 (I)27.1
1960 (D)0 (P).1 (M).2 (I)37.3
1970 (D)0 (P)0 (M)0 (I)30.9

These charts below shows the death incidence every 5 years for each disease. The underlined number in chart below indicates the APPROXIMATE advent of vaccine. Reproduced from: Alderson, M - International Mortality Statistics, Pages 163-198, 313 ISBN 0-87196-514-3 1981.

Year (PO)POLIO (D)DIPHTHERIA (P)PERTUSSIS
1901 (D)48,839 (P)33,094
1906- (D)28,225 (P)26,436
1911- (D)20,350 (P)20,285
1916- (D)15,623 (P)21,382
1921- (PO)7229 (D)12,267 (P)14,724
1926- (PO)6038 (D)7074 (P)13,047
1931- (PO)4545 (D)4388 (P)9850
1936- (PO)3666 (D)2189 (P)6809
1941- (PO)3539 (D)1135 (P)4399
1946- (PO)3799 (D)467 (P)1460
1951- (PO)3826 (D)125 (P)558
1956- (PO)1604 (D)45 (P)206
1961- (PO)1076 (D)22 (P)82
1966- (PO)928 (D)15 (P)32
1971-75 (PO)0 (D)12 (P)122

Year (T)TETANUS (M)MEASLES (I)INFLUENZA
1901 (T)28,065 (M)11,956 (I)15,496
1906- (T)16,318 (M)10,837 (I)10,109
1911- (T)11,503 (M)7615 (I)7086
1916- (T)8596 (M)7926 (I)54,283
1921- (T)7818 (M)4919 (I)13,673
1926- (T)6040 (M)3994 (I)17,602
1931- (T)4709 (M)2957 (I)11,191
1936- (T)3275 (M)1238 (I)8449
1941- (T)2384 (M)1013 (I)4366
1946- (T)1697 (M)469 (I)1736
1951- (T)1093 (M)268 (I)1178
1956- (T)788 (M)203 (I)938
1961- (T)550 (M)162 (I)553
1966- (T)282 (M)44 (I)633
1971-75 (T)122 (M)17 (I)491

The exact years of Vaccine Debuts are as follows:
Polio - 1954
Smallpox - 1902
Diphtheria - mid 1940s (Year debatable depending on source)
Pertussis - mid 1940s (Year debatable depending on source)
Tetanus - mid 1940s (Year debatable depending on source)
MMR -1978
Hemophilus B - 1985
Hepatitis B - 1991
Chickenpox - 1995
PCV - 2002
Influenza - 2005

reply to post by J.B. Aloha


Very interesting reading you have posted
Thank you for taking the time and trouble to do so

It reeemphasizes that MMR has caused more harm than good
As the numbers affected adversely by MMR vaccine are far greater than those it purports to protect
We have not hundreds but thousands of such cases.

This really needs looking into - But of course the playing field is far from level regarding fair investigation and the witch hunts carried out by any dissenters

Originally posted by J.B. Aloha
Historical statistics copied from: US Dept of Comm. Historical Statistics of the U.S. Part 1 Bureau of Census 1975. This reference can be found in any Library.

It's on Google books here:

books.google.je...

Would you please cite the page numbers and table numbers these statistics are from? I went though about 40 pages in the "vital statistics-Health and Medical Care" section but I could really use a more specific reference to page numbers as is customary when citing a specific reference to a specific source. Thanks.

Quick search reveals the following site
Very Interesting reading here

Beneath is quote from the site


childhealthsafety.wordpress.com...

We quote here from the author’s summary and the paper:

Deliberately concealing information from parents for the sole purpose of getting them to comply with an “official” vaccination schedule could be considered as a form of ethical violation or misconduct. Official documents obtained from the UK Department of Health (DH) and the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) reveal that the British health authorities have been engaging in such practice for the last 30 years, apparently for the sole purpose of protecting the national vaccination program

The author, Dr Lucija Tomljenovic writes:

Here I present the documentation which appears to show that the JCVI made continuous efforts to withhold critical data on severe adverse reactions and contraindications to vaccinations to both parents and health practitioners in order to reach overall vaccination rates which they deemed were necessary for “herd immunity”, a concept which with regards to vaccination, and contrary to prevalent beliefs, does not rest on solid scientific evidence as will be explained.

Just one of many graphs that show how vaccines are introduced as a disease declines
Below is link to source where many such graphs can be found



childhealthsafety.wordpress.com...

Got my MMR. Had a strange reaction (sounds in my ears like bearings dropping on a tin roof). Shortly after that I had my first seizure.
That was in the 70's. I'm 52 now. I'm just now tapering off of the seizure medication, and so far so good.
I'm an RN and it drives some other nurses crazy how I refuse all vaccines and flu shots. The Joint Commission on Healthcare just his year released new rules for tracking flu vaccine compliance among employees. So far, they say flu shots are not mandatory. But if they ever do, that is the day I walk out.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

Exactly, but it's fashionable to make out like it's a huge problem being swept under the rug. It isn't.

I am willing to bet that there are far more cases of an adverse reaction to paracetamol or anti-biotics, but it isn't cool to spread panic about them.

What these anti-vaccine people fail to realise (or simply ignore) is that without vaccines, most of the world's poputlaion wouldn't even be here, we'd all be dying of smallpox, polio or a myriad of other diseases.

All 3 of my kids have had their full quota of vaccines are are not deaf, not autistic and actually excelling in their development. Without the vaccines, chances are at least two of them wouldn't even make it to adolescence, let alone adulthood.

Now that is funny. When i was a kid we had to get vaccinated for MMR and polio. I havent had to get them since. I don't get flu vaccines or anything else and i'm doing just fine.

I think it's more accurate to say Big Pharma wants you to take vaccines so they screw you up, and then you have to come back to them for the treatment which means more $$$ in their pockets. I'm not a big fan of having my DNA tinkered with and genetically modified, which is what the viruses in vaccines do.

reply to post by usmc0311


I exempted my children based on religious grounds. I went to the health department, said, I wanted to exempt them, they asked why, and I said, "It goes against my religious beliefs". They tried to get me to say more and I simply repeated my answer. They filled out the nice blue form for each child. I presented copes (on blue paper) to daycares and public schools and they accepted them. Thus, the argument that you can't get kids into daycare or public school without shots is a lie. Most states have a couple of exemptions, and some still offer the philosophical one. Florida does not offer that one. I had to either prove medical issues or use the religious one. They asked what religion etc because Jehovah's witnesses are known for this issue, and I said, no they have been raised Catholic, and the authorities said, well the Catholic Church is not against vaccines, and I said, "It goes against my religious beliefs". They cannot argue with YOUR religious beliefs.

NEVER get into a debate about safety issues with them, they will deny our "religious exemption".

I encourage all parents to exempt their children. Of course I have been harassed by every pediatrician I have ever gone to, and one dropped us.

Your thread piqued my interest.

My son had a sever reaction to the MMR vaccine, (he got the mumps, measles, and rhubella from it), and the audiologist confirmed last year that he has significant hearing loss in his left ear. We, and his pediatrician, suspect he may have ADHD as well...

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by artistpoet

 

You only have to look at child mortality before mass vaccination and after to get the figures you want. It is utterly undeniable that vaccination has helped more people survive into adulthood and beyond, even if a very small minority have a reaction.

Now, before you mount your high horse again and make out like I put my children at risk (quite the opposite in fact, you pompous little person), I never actually denied any potential side affects to being vaccinated.

You get side affects to ALL MEDICINE and given the sheer scale of vaccination programmes, the fact that only 6 people have had their deafness "linked" (and this is circumstantial and not actually "proven") out of several million is actually pretty good for modern medicine. It's all very well people saying "but I bet there are hundreds of thousands more" is just pure bullcrap and based on nothing, yet you will have a pop at me for claiming millions have been saved, which is actually easily provable.

People have reactions to band aids, painkillers and anti-biotics, often fatal.

Actually, indoor plumbing and clean water did far more good than any vaccine. Your argument doesn't hold water at all because as was mentioned earlier, vaccines came along after the diseases were mostly gone on their own.

reply to post by DEV1L79


Wow, I am so glad you posted this thread! Someone mentioned ototoxicity, and I have gone fully deaf in my right ear from when I was in kidney failure and was on drugs that caused this, but never knew that was what it was! It came on suddenly, and was never correctly diagnosed. It hit me while on the dialysis machine, with sudden force, full-on vertigo, a trickling sound in my ear, and total loss of hearing and a loud ringing, too. I went to the ER, where they didn't even do the right test on me with a tuning fork. It took months to see a specialist, and by then, it was permanent, and it stinks. I was always told I must have had a stroke in my ear from my high blood pressure, but I am the person who will ALWAYS get the most RARE side effects from a med and the doctors don't even make the connection because they don't see those effects in most patients and are not up to speed on the rare ones to watch for. It's been 8 years, and now I finally might have a real answer to what happened. I just wish they could have done something about it. Losing hearing in one ear has many profound effects on a person that you don't anticipate, and functionally you loose a lot of things you took for granted that you get with two ears working together in different ways. Oh well, I am very thankful for the one I still have, and at least I am not on any of those meds any more - wow.

I never gave my children these shots when they were little, any of them, and I actually had one daycare provider applaud that decision and wish she'd known to do the same. She had a 9 year old son who had been severely affected in his functioning when he had the MMR as a toddler, he had a bad reaction and the doctors finally admitted it was vaccine related, he was a total mess and could not behave in a normal manner at all. You could see how hard it was for her that this happened to her child, very sad.

reply to post by saintinwaiting


A quick "googgle" search will give you just what the gov't wants you to have. Does anyone really believe what you find on google searches is anything but what the gov't and MSM wants you to have?

Look at the amount of vaccines they give tiny infants. The US isn't quite the 3rd world country the dems want it to be, but infants are given Hep B vaccines? along with a bunch of other crap?

And still people line up for their worthless flu vaccines every year? Look at what the CDC says about flu vaccines.

Then look up Agenda 21 by the UN.

Don't just do a "quick google search."

Originally posted by J.B. Aloha

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

What these anti-vaccine people fail to realise (or simply ignore) is that without vaccines, most of the world's poputlaion wouldn't even be here, we'd all be dying of smallpox, polio or a myriad of other diseases.

Actually, when one takes the time to browse historical statistics, the kind found in hard copy medical annals and journals, you will find that vaccines consistently followed the decline of diseases as they burned through populations and REAL herd immunity was created. Vaccines always followed. They never preempted the decline. None. Not One. Ever.

Historical statistics copied from: US Dept of Comm. Historical Statistics of the U.S. Part 1 Bureau of Census 1975. This reference can be found in any Library. You usually have to ask at the reference desk for this one though.

DEATHS PER 100,000, U.S.
Year (D)DIPHTHERIA (P)PERTUSSIS (M)MEASLES (I)INFLUENZA
1900 (D)40.3 (P)12.2 (M)13.3 (I)202.2
1910 (D)21.1 (P)11.6 (M)12.4 (I)155.9
1920 (D)15.3 (P)12.5 (M)8.8 (I)207.3
1930 (D)4.9 (P)4.8 (M)3.2 (I)102.5
1940 (D)1.1 (P)2.2 (M).5 (I)70.3
1945 (D)1.2 (P)1.3 (M).2 (I)51.6
1950 (D).3 (P).7 (M).3 (I)31.3
1955 (D).1 (P).3 (M).2 (I)27.1
1960 (D)0 (P).1 (M).2 (I)37.3
1970 (D)0 (P)0 (M)0 (I)30.9

These charts below shows the death incidence every 5 years for each disease. The underlined number in chart below indicates the APPROXIMATE advent of vaccine. Reproduced from: Alderson, M - International Mortality Statistics, Pages 163-198, 313 ISBN 0-87196-514-3 1981.

Year (PO)POLIO (D)DIPHTHERIA (P)PERTUSSIS
1901 (D)48,839 (P)33,094
1906- (D)28,225 (P)26,436
1911- (D)20,350 (P)20,285
1916- (D)15,623 (P)21,382
1921- (PO)7229 (D)12,267 (P)14,724
1926- (PO)6038 (D)7074 (P)13,047
1931- (PO)4545 (D)4388 (P)9850
1936- (PO)3666 (D)2189 (P)6809
1941- (PO)3539 (D)1135 (P)4399
1946- (PO)3799 (D)467 (P)1460
1951- (PO)3826 (D)125 (P)558
1956- (PO)1604 (D)45 (P)206
1961- (PO)1076 (D)22 (P)82
1966- (PO)928 (D)15 (P)32
1971-75 (PO)0 (D)12 (P)122

Year (T)TETANUS (M)MEASLES (I)INFLUENZA
1901 (T)28,065 (M)11,956 (I)15,496
1906- (T)16,318 (M)10,837 (I)10,109
1911- (T)11,503 (M)7615 (I)7086
1916- (T)8596 (M)7926 (I)54,283
1921- (T)7818 (M)4919 (I)13,673
1926- (T)6040 (M)3994 (I)17,602
1931- (T)4709 (M)2957 (I)11,191
1936- (T)3275 (M)1238 (I)8449
1941- (T)2384 (M)1013 (I)4366
1946- (T)1697 (M)469 (I)1736
1951- (T)1093 (M)268 (I)1178
1956- (T)788 (M)203 (I)938
1961- (T)550 (M)162 (I)553
1966- (T)282 (M)44 (I)633
1971-75 (T)122 (M)17 (I)491

The exact years of Vaccine Debuts are as follows:
Polio - 1954
Smallpox - 1902
Diphtheria - mid 1940s (Year debatable depending on source)
Pertussis - mid 1940s (Year debatable depending on source)
Tetanus - mid 1940s (Year debatable depending on source)
MMR -1978
Hemophilus B - 1985
Hepatitis B - 1991
Chickenpox - 1995
PCV - 2002
Influenza - 2005

How dare you bring logic and facts to this discussion? Take your dirty cocktail vaccines like a good citizen!

Seriously, Stu Mason, you are not a very bright person, please do not post here again unless the subject is puppy dogs or ice cream cones, because you live in a world full of those.

If we really needed these vaccines as you claim Stu, the human population would cease to exist. If you take care of yourself, are properly hydrated and get the necessary nutrients you need, you will be fine.

Do you really think Big Pharma board of directors care about your children? Do you really? They care about profits that's it. Don't worry you are not the only one getting duped, there are plenty of other stupid parents out there that can't put 2 and 2 together, but I guess people like you make the economy run like water by believing the hype.

Originally posted by artistpoet
See you have to lower yourself to insults yet again Stumason with any who oppose you.
Well your bullying way does not wash with me sunshine.

Nope, just pointing out what a pompous prat you are, after all, you called into question my parenting and proceeded to laud it over me about how bad vaccines are and how informed you are about it.

Originally posted by artistpoet
If you took your blinkers off - You might be able to discern my stance
I say that one should not blindly accept the official line but look at all sides of the discussion but for you there is no discussion it seems

Gotta love the irony here. I know your "stance". It will typically be one where literally everyone is out to get you, from the Pharma's, to the Gubment or whoever. The irony is you preach to me about "looking at all sides", when you clearly don't practice that yourself.. I have actually weighed up the pro's and con's and went for the vaccinations as the actual risk is less than 0.01%. You stand more of a chance of getting hurt crossing the road.. I bet you just stand on the kerb and quiver, don't you?

Originally posted by artistpoet
Sticks and Stones Stu, sticks and stones
Thought you might be above that - Thought you were better than that and still do really

Don't call into question my parenting because I decided to vaccinate my kids against some very dangerous diseases. I am quite willing to engage in debate, but don't make it personal.


reply to post by J.B. Aloha


Very nice that you've gone to the effort there, but every date from your vaccine debut is wrong so that throws into question the rest of the information you have provided. Smallpox, for example, has been vaccinated against in various forms since the 17th century in Europe and Asia Minor. Diphtheria, the 1920's. Tetanus, the 1920's. MMR, 1971 not '78. Influenza, the 1940's.

As you seem to have got every date so wrong, it does call into question your assertion that disease were in decline prior to vaccinations being available. In fact, the cynic in me thinks you might have intentionally presented wrong dates. I hope that isn't so.

reply to post by PushEject


Don't for one minute assume you know me. Not very bright? Probably a lot brighter than you think, matey, but I'm not about to sing my own praises nor do I feel the need to justify myself to you. Now, like I said to the other guy, engage in a sensible debate without making it personal, we can talk.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Now that is funny. When i was a kid we had to get vaccinated for MMR and polio. I havent had to get them since. I don't get flu vaccines or anything else and i'm doing just fine.

Of course you won't need them since. You get one shot and that's it! Not really seeing your pint here.

For the record, I don't get Flu shots, I just tough it out when I get the Flu every few years as do my kids. I'm not that willing, however, to run the risk of my kids getting mumps which, ironically given the article in the OP, can cause deafness amongst other things.

reply to post by J.B. Aloha

These charts below shows the death incidence every 5 years for each disease.

Your data shows mortality. This is dependent on other things than vaccines, such as an actual therapy. Thats why it decreases even before vaccines are deployed. You should look for incidence to see the undeniable effect of vaccines.

www.cdc.gov...