In The Belly Of The Beast.

I just had a very strange, personal epiphany.

This stuff isn't new to me, and it shouldn't be to you, lets just say, for a moment, it all sunk in.

Like, BOOM! , it really sunk in.

Many of you are still discussing Socialism/Fascism and category's of the such.

Is it not written in factual history that each of these tentacles serve the same octopus. (As often described by those few who have spoke)

Communism was an experiment.

As was the western culture.

Most wars have had their outcome controlled by some unknown peoples. How common is it to have both sides funded by the same entity? An entity that may claim it is your enemy on the MSN?

Many people have spoke of such an entity, that which is above all, and beyond our comprehension. 10 times more than what could ever imagine.

America and Russia, two greatest enemies? Or closed closet friends? They sure have an intimate history.

The bankers.. Well that's a very blatant sore thumb in today's day an age. I wonder where its roots really lie?

Point is, its no good arguing Socialism and Fascism, that's their distraction tactics working a treat, whilst you are not even aware of it.

If it's so hard to label, what does that tell you?

And if it is to be accepted that Communism, Fascism, East, West, Left, Right and Materialism, are all from one glorious disturbed beast..

Then we're in the belly of the beast.

Drum roll please.............. For your up and coming......

FASCIST, SOCIALIST, TOTALITARIAN, WORLD ORDER.

IMO.

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S&F Sinny! How nice of you not to mention the Rothchilds'......whoops I guess I did! There are more of course but they are a good start imo....

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i do see where you are coming from and i do agree

all of these different categories make people believe that they are supporting what they think is right and going against the other things they feel are wrong, but really, each one track back to the same base..

this whole system they have us people in make us feel as if we are choosing our own paths, and make us feel like we are getting what we want, but really we are in this whole trapped world society that is controlling the things we are meant to think is right and wrong...

the belly of the beast.. we are all in it, and it decides what is right and what is wrong, and what is best for the people and what is bad for us....

but many people are seeing this in small ways, and others are seeing it as its whole, and we are slowly pushing back, and soon i feel we are going to knock them over once we get the people to really see it..

i have never had an epiphany, but it sounds like yours really let you open yours eyes a little bit more, but i dont know where you stood before it, but its great that it happened.

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star and flag,

more and more people are realising this every day,
you put it very simply

thank you

xploder

Made me think of something FissionSurplus wrote.
"Imagin your in a car thats hooked up to a tow truck, you've got your hands on the wheel and your feet on the pedals, you feel like you've got control, but your going where that tow truck takes you."

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indeed sinny

the head of the octopus is named oligarchy

The Iron Law of Oligarchy is a political theory, first developed by the German syndicalist sociologist Robert Michels in his 1911 book, Political Parties.[1] It claims that rule by an elite, or "oligarchy", is inevitable as an "iron law" within any organization as part of the "tactical and technical necessities" of organization.[2] Michels particularly addressed the application of this law to representative democracy, and stated: "It is organization which gives birth to the dominion of the elected over the electors, of the mandataries over the mandators, of the delegates over the delegators. Who says organization, says oligarchy."[3] He went on to state that "Historical evolution mocks all the prophylactic measures that have been adopted for the prevention of oligarchy."[4] Michels stated that the official goal of representative democracy of eliminating elite rule was impossible, that representative democracy is a façade legitimizing the rule of a particular elite, and that elite rule, that he refers to as oligarchy, is inevitable.[5]

a Voluntarist Anarchy is the only truly moral and just system at present IMO
because a True Democracy can only be practiced and maintained by superior beings
have a flag [black of course] and star

I believe that original form of capitalism is not from "the belly of the beast" - that is libertarianism.

TPTB destroyed capitalism and transformed it into a some kind of system with purposely bad laws, acts and bad practice. Such as: bailouts, banking system (interest rates), big corporate industry, etc. Interest rates were forbidden world-wide only a few centuries ago. Unfortunately scumbags infiltrated governments and allowed interest rates, put bad practices in action such as bailouts, etc.

Now they blame capitalism for all that! For all you communist/socialist supportes, beware - It's a trap!

You see, they destroyed capitalism, so you people could say "We want communism!" And then they will say "Here's your communism" and give you twisted totalitarian New World Order. By then, it will be too late to go back!

It's called Problem - Reaction - Solution

Originally posted by Fichorka
I believe that original form of capitalism is not from "the belly of the beast" - that is libertarianism.

Libertarianism came from the left originally. It was used as another term for anarchism. So capitalism is not libertarian. In fact capitalism is a highly authoritarian economic system, a system based on the appropriation of capital by the few at the expense of the many. It is what created our hierarchical class system.

As is well known, anarchists use the terms “libertarian”, “libertarian socialist” and “libertarian communist” as equivalent to “anarchist” and, similarly, “libertarian socialism” or “libertarian communism” as an alternative for “anarchism.” This is perfectly understandable, as the anarchist goal is freedom, liberty, and the ending of all hierarchical and authoritarian institutions and social relations.

Unfortunately, in the United States the term “libertarian” has become, since the 1970s, associated with the right-wing, i.e., supporters of “free-market” capitalism. That defenders of the hierarchy associated with private property seek to associate the term “libertarian” for their authoritarian system is both unfortunate and somewhat unbelievable to any genuine libertarian. Equally unfortunately, thanks to the power of money and the relative small size of the anarchist movement in America, this appropriation of the term has become, to a large extent, the default meaning there. Somewhat ironically, this results in some right-wing “libertarians” complaining that we genuine libertarians have “stolen” their name in order to associate our socialist ideas with it!

150 years of Libertarian

The original political meanings of ‘left’ and ‘right’ have changed since their origin in the French estates general in 1789. There the people sitting on the left could be viewed as more or less anti-statists with those on the right being state-interventionists of one kind or another. In this interpretation of the pristine sense, libertarianism was clearly at the extreme left-wing.

www.la-articles.org.uk...

TPTB destroyed capitalism and transformed it into a some kind of system with purposely bad laws, acts and bad practice. Such as: bailouts, banking system (interest rates), big corporate industry, etc. Interest rates were forbidden world-wide only a few centuries ago. Unfortunately scumbags infiltrated governments and allowed interest rates, put bad practices in action such as bailouts, etc.

Nobody has destroyed capitalism. Capitalism is simply the private ownership of the means of production, again a left-wing coined term. There are no rules, it is an economic system that changes constantly in it's only goal of making profit. TPTB are the capitalists.

Capitalist economies are never stable, it always has ups and downs, called the Business cycle

Now they blame capitalism for all that! For all you communist/socialist supportes, beware - It's a trap!

The private ownership of the means of production is to blame for that. Capitalism does not guarantee you your freedom, or your economic security, it is a cut-throat system that puts more people into poverty than it makes wealthy.

Why are you scared of socialism? Socialism is the workers ownership of the means of production, and it is what workers want...

A New Era of Worker Ownership?

The key to global prosperity: worker ownership Shared ownership helps to diversify rather than concentrate wealth and roots the value it generates in communities

Worker Ownership for the 99%: The United Steelworkers, Mondragon, and the Ohio Employee Ownership Center Announce a New Union Cooperative Model to Reinsert Worker Equity Back into the U.S. Economy

You see, they destroyed capitalism, so you people could say "We want communism!" And then they will say "Here's your communism" and give you twisted totalitarian New World Order. By then, it will be too late to go back!

It's called Problem - Reaction - Solution

I would hope people are not that stupid.

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I agree with your view and let me add my own opinion...

What is truly amazing is the definition of America itself.
It was/is the "New World" only to be settled as just that.
By all means, since inception, this entire land mass was touted as the New World.
Undiscovered, uncivilized, and uncontrolled. (UN... )
Until about 200 years ago when men with power and money decided to "own" it.
It is the baby of nations, the youngest yet was the most economically advanced
Also, it is probably the undeclared capital of the world...admit it...this is true.
Everyone looks to the west as some kind of leader, by media or other means.
So if we are to perceive this "New World Order" as the next big thing...
Then with America it will begin.
Because it is the New World.

And they are going to need order after the chaos that surely is coming.


Just my $0.02 not to be taken as facts...

Would it be safe to presume that under your view of geopolitics, that perhaps TPTB are testing forms of political/economical forms of governance, as per your Op, to determine the preferred form to govern the world under one government?

That would make sense to me. You don't just go straight into implementing a form of government to control the planet without testing and determining which form is most capable in handling global affairs.

Perhaps this is why western democracy is so expansive and it's foreign policy have to spread far across the globe. Perhaps at this point. This form is the most appealing to TPTB.

Additionally, durIng the 1930's, hitlers fascism may have appeared the best form of governance and domination of the planet but what ultimately proven false by the allied victory.

Very thought provoking topic sinny

The only system Ive seen that seems free to me is the one used in Star Trek.

Of course that will require the ability to create things from air....

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I don't know, Sinny. I get the feeling that the masses actually believe there are a few humans behind the curtain that control everything - puppet masters that have had the wisdom and foresight to control us puppets since man first walked upright.

It's one thing to talk about this as a means of venting our distaste for where we see the world going, but it's another to believe in it so much that we're willing to blame the 1% for all our woes.

Let me ask this:

Along the human journey from dumb creature to whatever we are now, could we NOT have discovered the knife? The spear? Could we NOT have formed the idea of safety in numbers that led to the formation of tribes, that led to the formation of laws to govern the tribes, that led to humans taking advantage of such laws?

I think we have been, and still are, on a path that any new intelligent species would take - to the point of it becoming predictable in hindsight.

In our time of ignorance, could we NOT have looked in fear upon a volcano or a hurricane and invented religion and a god?

In our growing population could we NOT have formed a better means to trade for goods (money)?

When considering human nature, could the power hungry NOT have wormed their way into government? Could the greedy NOT have found a way to manipulate the economy in their favor?

I don't think the world we live in has been planned by anyone or any organization. We're fumbling around and trying out different theories to keep the system running, and everything we try is failing. It's just like in a dysfunctional family - everyone in the family knows how bad it is at home, but the idea of leaving and heading into the unknown is even more frightening.

The rich don't want to give up their wealth and lifestyle, but I don't think they have a clue on how to maintain this economy. If everything breaks down, their wealth goes up in smoke.

I mentioned hindsight before, but we've become smart enough for at least a bit of foresight now. We know what's coming, and we can't stop it. War, in every corner of the world. Total economic collapse. Freedoms lost. Millions, if not billions killed.

If we don't blow up the planet, we will start again. What I don't know is, are we condemned to just recreate this failing system all over again?

Ive come to a similar conclusion, NOTHING on TV or in the media is truth.

Its all misdirection and division to keep us all arguing and fighting with each other.

I don't know the reason, or the who are what of it.

However I am always leery of anything that mentions NWO or Illuminati, or Masons, etc, it just seems too easy for their to be named organizations or plans that visible.

If anything they are just apart of the same misdirection, I have a hunch that those I named will be the sacrifice of what ever rises from all this chaos and division.

Sort of "Look these where the problem causers, and ____ Has defeated them.."

Or maybe Im just that paranoid.