Ten Courts of Hell

God please wake me up, I am tired of playing your twisted game.

Originally posted by Ben81

Originally posted by Unity_99
I don't believe this has anything to do with religion. Athiests who do not harm but strive to make others around them happy, and care less about their own income and promotions and more about helping those in need are being Good For The Sake Of Good with no thought of reward This would be the purest of all, really.

Its about Behavior, living your ideals and compassion and not compromising it, speaking up for others, doing what one can.

Its NOT about faith. Faith is a comfort along the way.

Nicely resumed

purest of all indeed

even if they dont believe in God and they lived a full happy life
eating only REAL healthy food with clean water and live up to a 111 yrs old
but i think eventualy when you get old .. you realise the signs of God
spirituality come from your heart first then you can discover the rest step by step

Being good for the sake of goodness without any sense of reward whatsoever, is the purest of all.

Doing what is right because its the right thing to do, even if it a hardship is more important by a long shot than what you believe in . That is the right spirit.

My grandfather in his later years became a Christian, but that was due to a promise to his dying sister. Yes, eventually after going to Church and finally in a small tomb in a trip to the Holy Land he had an experience.

He was a really intelligent humble man and would not have ahd a problem had he not gone against his conscience and agreed to a death bed request and if he had not gone to the Holy Land on a vacation.

He was one of the best guys I ever knew.

reply to post by Unity_99


"Being good for the sake of goodness without any sense of reward whatsoever, is the purest of all."

A selfless action. well said and very true!

reply to post by Ben81

Religion is essentially idolatry. Men worship their man-made formations and structures ­ their ideological idols formed in the concrete of inflexible minds. When the apostle Paul came to Athens (Acts 17:22), he observed their idols and exclaimed, "Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects." The Greek word that Paul used for "religious" literally means "to have great respect for demons."

God did not religion nor did he want people to believe that He even existed.

The main mistake that man had made was to create religion.

That being said, God is very real, and he did not want war and hatred over His own self.

Yet, continuosly, it is the people who ruin things such as this.

Think of it this way, Atheism, as so mayn of you hold so true, would not even exist, if God's word were taken into account in the beginning.

i know everyone is just going to get stirred up over this, but please do not see this as a stab at your ideals rather than an opinion made by a third party.

I do NOT have a religion, but i do believe, and no i do not believe for the reason that i am scared that when i happen to die there will nothing in the end.

and thanks for any future anger directed toward me and in addition, anything not supporting your ideals or beliefs,
Mike

reply to post by Ben81


OP you are so wrong ! Go ahead and try to get into heaven by your works alone? Why do you think God isn't present with us right now here on Earth ? Because of sin. So we need a redeemer because your very best works are as dirty RAGS to our Father in Heaven.

reply to post by randyvs


Christ gave the minimum standard for a man to inherit eternal life by his works.

"Be ye perfect for your heavenly Father is perfect."


Unless your resume reads "perfect", I strongly recommend option A.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

. . . minimum standard for a man to inherit eternal life . . .

Jesus was expanding on the Law, apparently beyond how it was being taught normally at the time.
Be "complete" or "whole", so that you are obeying not just part of the fundamental spiritual law that is behind the old written law.
Jesus was not using this in a threatening sort of way as your context would suggest.
Jesus was describing a kingdom of God, and so what would be implied is that God is at the ready to empower people to live by the standards of that kingdom in the here and now. The teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount was not for some future hypothetical world in the sky or something.

Does the OP not realise that "hell" came from outside Christianity, from the Hades of the Greeks, and the Hel of the Danes and other Scandinavians?

Does the OP not realise that our common concept of "hell" came from fictional sources, [besides bad Biblical translations] Dante's Inferno, John Milton's epics, all the way up to Chick Tracts?

Does the OP not realise that if Hell, as he believes, really existed, then the Bible would read very differently? Begin with the warning given to Adam & Eve - they were only warned of death, not death in everlasting fire.

So it goes, thru the entire Bible, read it through a "hell" filter, and you get hell. Read it through a "Saved!" filter, and you see things as they are. All will be saved, but not all at once, nor without escaping the Second Death, nor without answering for their sins. After Death and Hell are cast into the Lake of Fire (far future), no one will then be either dead or in Hell. Nothing else makes sense.

Heaven yes - hell, no!

Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Does the OP not realise that "hell" came from outside Christianity, from the Hades of the Greeks, and the Hel of the Danes and other Scandinavians?

Does the OP not realise that our common concept of "hell" came from fictional sources, [besides bad Biblical translations] Dante's Inferno, John Milton's epics, all the way up to Chick Tracts?

Does the OP not realise that if Hell, as he believes, really existed, then the Bible would read very differently? Begin with the warning given to Adam & Eve - they were only warned of death, not death in everlasting fire.

So it goes, thru the entire Bible, read it through a "hell" filter, and you get hell. Read it through a "Saved!" filter, and you see things as they are. All will be saved, but not all at once, nor without escaping the Second Death, nor without answering for their sins. After Death and Hell are cast into the Lake of Fire (far future), no one will then be either dead or in Hell. Nothing else makes sense.

Heaven yes - hell, no!

Hell also came from mosaic judaism only it was called sheol which is the Pit (Grave/Death). The lake of fire is Gehenna where all the trash is dumped and burned.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

. . . minimum standard for a man to inherit eternal life . . .

Jesus was expanding on the Law, apparently beyond how it was being taught normally at the time.
Be "complete" or "whole", so that you are obeying not just part of the fundamental spiritual law that is behind the old written law.
Jesus was not using this in a threatening sort of way as your context would suggest.
Jesus was describing a kingdom of God, and so what would be implied is that God is at the ready to empower people to live by the standards of that kingdom in the here and now. The teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount was not for some future hypothetical world in the sky or something.

edit on 6-9-2012 by jmdewey60 because: add Bible quote: "For the creation eagerly waits for the revelation of the sons of God." Romans 8:19

The man asked Jesus " what must I do to inherit eternal life"... he asked Christ what he himself had to do. So Christ's answer was likewise precise, "be ye perfect..". I've never met a person who has lived their entire life perfect. To fail in one part of the law is to fail it all. One slip up and the person is forever a sinner. An example would be a murderer cannot tell a judge "Hey your honor, I haven't killed anyone in 20 years!"

And what about the sermon on the mount? I didn't say anything was wrong with it.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

And what about the sermon on the mount?

That is where the "be perfect" quote comes from.
You should really look up your quotes before posting a lot of irrelevant stuff.
"don't drink and text" is a good rule that applies to forum posts too.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

And what about the sermon on the mount?

That is where the "be perfect" quote comes from.
You should really look up your quotes before posting a lot of irrelevant stuff.
"don't drink and text" is a good rule that applies to forum posts too.

I wasn't asking where it came from. You implied I was badmouthing the sermon, which I was not. There are no errors in anything Christ said.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Ben81

 

OP you are so wrong ! Go ahead and try to get into heaven by your works alone? Why do you think God isn't present with us right now here on Earth ? Because of sin. So we need a redeemer because your very best works are as dirty RAGS to our Father in Heaven.

Not even close to being true, but whatever cranks your wheel.

The whole book is filled with codes, astrology, ufology, trig/mathematics, cycles, spell casting, some distorted and badly altered history, and alot of control, with a few sprinklings of spiritual truth or guidance.

The Frequency of Love within your heart dictates what you accept or see in that book, and that book is ALL METAPHOR. Nothing there needs to be taken literally, they even have metaphoric codes worked out for all the murders and conquest of the lands of the caanites and other groups.

its entrapment for the frequency of your heart.

If you really see Love and know there is absolutely no Goodness above that ever demanded sacrifice, that ever murdered anyone, that ever deopopulated villages and cities for the Jewish people, that ever wanted you to stone or exectute your family, that only EVIL does any such thing, then you are actually protecting the Love your soul came in with.

The very fist test your heart gets is if you buy this evil atrocious idea: that you have to have faith, in one specific deity that is a war mongler as he is most often betrayed, though they do switch names alot, so is all the bad stuff confined to one or two different versions of their biblical gods in the old testament.

Do you believe that being a Christian saves you but no matter how good anyone else is and how loving if they don't believe in your "god" they go to hell for all eternity.

IT IS VERY" LOW FREQUENCY" DARK SQUARE TO BELIEVE SUCH A THING!

reply to post by NOTurTypical


""Be ye perfect for your heavenly Father is perfect."

How does one achieve perfection in such an imperfect world. Seems to me Jebus set the bar rather high!

reply to post by andy06shake

Seems to me Jebus set the bar rather high!

Right, but Jesus does not offer provision for resignation to failure.
There was a Greek philosophical term mimesis current at the time which meant "living in imitation of", that I think was the original idea of Christianity, where we have an example to follow and probably a reason for why we have the Gospels, to show the character of Jesus that we should emulate.

Originally posted by andy06shake
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

""Be ye perfect for your heavenly Father is perfect."

How does one achieve perfection in such an imperfect world. Seems to me Jebus set the bar rather high!

The bar is extremely high. Heaven is a perfect place, God is a perfect God. Satan was removed when sin was found in him. God allows no sin there. That's why Christ came on a redemption mission on our behalf. One sin removed Adam and Eve from the garden. God demands perfection. Now, you need to look at the question the man asked Jesus. He didn't ask "How does a person go to heaven?"

He asked Jesus what he (the person) must do (himself) to "inherit" eternal life. And Christ's answer was specific and quite tragic. Apart from God's grace and mercy a person must be "perfect". So there are two options for man, option A is accept grace and mercy from God purchased by Christ, or option B, be a perfect person, never failing the law once in one's entire life. Never sinning by omission or commission, not once, ever.

Choose redemption in Christ Jesus.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by andy06shake

 

Seems to me Jebus set the bar rather high!

Right, but Jesus does not offer provision for resignation to failure.
There was a Greek philosophical term mimesis current at the time which meant "living in imitation of", that I think was the original idea of Christianity, where we have an example to follow and probably a reason for why we have the Gospels, to show the character of Jesus that we should emulate.

That's true, but that doesn't alter the condition of a sinner. Once a man has sinned they are a sinner. Just as once a man has murdered once they are a murderer. If God demands perfection and man is imperfect, there needs to be a redeemer and a plan to rectify our condition of condemnation before God. Once a person sins once, no matter how sinless they live the rest of their life they cannot claim perfection when judged.

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So God creates Man in his own image, Man notices he is naked and partakes in the tree of knowledge(Sin? I say inquisitive initiative). God gets pissed at Man and banishes him from the garden(Eden). Jesus is sent to Earth via a virgin birth(LMAO) and somehow pays for all our sins. Dies on the cross and later ascends to heaven, Man is redeemed...........................but still not perfect enough for heaven!

Heaven sounds like it only accepts the top 2%, must be full of bankers! Also means the God head is incarnating quite a percentage of imperfect souls. Reminds me of here im afraid. I just hope the weed is topnotch!

The Cathars most probably had it correct. This is hell, earth is a prison planet for free thinking Souls(ATS is rec time), least thats how it feels to me!

reply to post by andy06shake


Man is offered heaven BECAUSE our sins have been "paid for" by Christ Jesus the Son of God. Those who trust in Christ cannot be placed in a double-jeopardy situation because of sins that were "paid for" by Christ at the cross. Isaiah 53 says all our iniquities (sins) were upon Him. Paul says that God made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin, so that we could become the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. In theology that's referred to as "penal substitutionary atonement". (Big 50 dollar word I know, sorry). Now, just because Christ " paid for" our sin doesn't give man a license to sin more that grace may abound, no, we are given the gift/promise of the Holy Spirit to live free from the power of sin that remains in our flesh. And when man makes a mistake after coming to Christ when that person confesses their sin and seeks forgiveness God is faithful and just to forgive that person and to cleanse them from all unrighteousness.

This is all given to man by mercy and grace because of Christ. He paid for the redemption of man by His death.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


"Man is offered heaven BECAUSE our sins have been "paid for" by Christ Jesus the Son of God."

So what about the people(Souls) before jesus came, are they all in purgatory, hell, what happend to them?

Also if God created Man in his own image, and i/we/u are all part of him/her/it then am i/u not his equal? Why does he/she/it get to decide what a sin is? Ie you cant eat meat on Friday(WTF), does Heaven even follow a 7 day cycle?

Im not trying to take the piss, i just require some answers.