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“Not only were many of the founders of the United States government Masons, but they received aid from a secret and august body existing in Europe which helped them to establish this country for a peculiar and particular purpose known only to the initiated few.”
- 33rd Degree Mason Manly P. Hall, “The Secret Teachings of All Ages” (XC and XCI
Before the Revolutionary War, the “New World” of the Americas lacked unity and autonomous identity. For almost 300 years there was no military, constitution, or federal government. Then within two short years, the snap of a historical finger, America had Continental Marines, Continental Congress, and the Articles of the Confederation. With the Declaration of Independence, the British colonialists (or “Americans”) officially separated from the British nationalists. Freemason and bloodline General George Washington became first President of the now United States of America, and royal rule of America switched from overt to covert. Royal and secret society rule had not changed, only the perception of governance changed while the same DNA stayed in office. Instead of peasants well-aware of their plight, knowing the Monarchs/Emperors oppressing them, we became peasants who actually believed we were born into a free and open system.
- The Atlantean Conspiracy, Eric Dubay
In 1776 Weishaupt organized the Illuminati to put the plot into execution. The word Illuminati is derived from Lucifer, and means ‘holders of the light’.
The Illuminati AT THE TOP, planned to use wars and revolutions to bring about the establishment of one kind or another of a One World Government, the powers of which they intended to usurp as soon as it was established. In 1785, the Bavarian Government outlawed the Illuminati and closed the lodges of the Grand Orient. In 1786, they published the details of the conspiracy. The English title is “The Original Writings of the Order and Sect of The Illuminati”. Copies of the conspiracy were sent to the heads of church and state. The power of the Illuminati was so great that this warning was ignored, as were the warnings Christ had given the world. The Illuminati went underground. Weishaupt instructed his Illuminists to infiltrate into the lodges of Blue Masonry and form a secret society within secret societies.
- William G Carr, Pawns in the Game
The Association of which I have been speaking, is the Order of ILLUMINATI, founded in 1775, by Dr. Adam Weishaupt, professor of Canon law in the university of Ingolstadt, and abolished in 1786 by the Elector of Bavaria, but revived immediately after, under another name, and in a different form, all over Germany. It was again detected, and seemingly broken up; but it had by this time taken so deep root that it still subsists without being detected, and has spread into all the countries of Europe. It took its first rise among the Free Masons, but is totally different from Free
Masonry.
It was then discovered that this and several associated Lodges were the nursery or preparation-school for another Order of Masons, who called themselves the ILLUMINATED, and that the express aim of this Order was to abolish Christianity, and overturn all civil government.
-John Robison, Proofs of a Conspiracy, 1797
“It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter. That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.”
- George Washington when asked about the influence of the Illuminati on American freemasonry.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable Rights; that among these, are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.
Franklin toured Ireland in 1771 and was astounded and moved by the level of poverty he saw there. Ireland was under the trade regulations and laws of England, which affected the Irish economy, and Franklin feared that America could suffer the same plight if Britain’s exploitation of the colonies continued.
- www.pbs.org...
At the signing, he is quoted as having replied to a comment by Hancock that they must all hang together: "Yes, we must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
The First Bank of the United States was a national bank, chartered for a term of twenty years, by the United States Congress on February 25, 1791.
Establishment of the Bank was included in a three-part expansion of federal fiscal and monetary power (along with a federal mint and excise taxes) championed by Alexander Hamilton, first Secretary of the Treasury. Hamilton believed a central bank was necessary to stabilize and improve the nation's credit, and to improve handling of the financial business of the United States government under the newly enacted Constitution.
- wikipedia
Officially proposed to the first session of the First Congress in 1790, Hamilton's Bank faced widespread resistance from opponents of increased federal power. Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson and James Madison led the opposition, which claimed that the bank was unconstitutional, and that it benefited merchants and investors at the expense of the majority of the population.
- wikipedia
Directors of the Bank of England appointed one of their hirelings named Alexander Hamilton, to represent their interests in the United States. In 1780 this man, a supposed patriot, proposed the establishment of a Federal Bank. It was to be owned by PRIVATE INTERESTS as an alternative to those who insisted the issue and control of money should remain in the hands of the government elected by the people.
The Fathers of American Independence realized that if the Directors of the Bank of England obtained monopolistic control of America’s money system they would recover any money they had lost by the simple process of mortgage and foreclosure. The net result of this struggle for economic control of the nation was that Congress refused to grant the Bank of America a charter.
Benjamin Franklin died in 1790 and the agents of the International Jewish money-lenders immediately made another bid to obtain control of America’s finances. They succeeded in having Alexander Hamilton appointed Secretary of the Treasury. Hamilton had the Government charter the bank his principals had been clamouring for. It was then a simple matter to usurp the rights to issue currency based on public and private debts.
Alexander Hamilton, and Morris, were never more than hirelings of the international money-lenders.
- William G Carr, Pawns in the Game
“Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.”
-Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.
Here's a little more context for the "money changers" quote. Dwinell's The Story of Our Money is apparently both the original source for the quote and where the confusion arose. On pages 70-71, there is a quote from Alexander Hamilton, followed by a note, then a couple more sentences:
“Among other material differences between a paper currency, issued by the mere authority of Government, and one issued by a bank, payable in coin (and that is not done), is this: That, in the first case (government issuance), there is no standard to which an appeal can be made, as to the quantity which will only satisfy, or which will surcharge the circulation: in the last (bank issuance of paper), that standard results from the demand.”
NOTE:—Weasel words; the demand does not refer to the demands of business and the people but to the whims of private corporations. And that the government could have no standard of a nations currency needs is just so much bosh.
Hamilton's whole monetary policy is based on unconstitutional grounds and unsound reasoning, and fraudulent statements. His policies were fought through the whole public career of Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Randolph and many another truly great lover of Republican Government.
His policies have proved to be more destructive of our independent and democratic form of government than the old subjugation of the Colonies by Great Britain. The deliberations in Congress over Hamilton's Bank Bill, and the opinions of members of The Cabinet show the intensity of feeling between the private money interests and those supporting the Constitution. History records that the “money changers” have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance.
Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!
-Andrew Jackson, letter from May, 1833
PLAN OF DESTRUCTION
In the years following Independence, a close business relationship had developed between the cotton growing aristocracy in the South and the cotton manufacturers in England. The European bankers decided that this business connection was America's Achilles Heel, the door through which the young American Republic could be successfully attacked and overcome.
The Illustrated University History, 1878, p. 504, tells us that the southern states swarmed with British agents. These conspired with local politicians to work against the best interests of the United States. Their carefully sown and nurtured propaganda developed into open rebellion and resulted in the secession of South Carolina on December 29, 1860. Within weeks another six states joined the conspiracy against the Union, and broke away to form the Confederate States of America, with Jefferson Davis as President.
- Des Griffin, Descent into Slavery
The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States, if they remained in one block and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over Europe and the world. Of Course, in the "inner circle" of Finance, the voice of the Rothschilds prevailed.
They saw an opportunity for prodigious booty if they could substitute two feeble democracies, burdened with debt to the financiers,... in place of a vigorous Republic sufficient unto herself. Therefore, they sent their emissaries into the field to exploit the question of slavery and to drive a wedge between the two parts of the Union.... The rupture between the North and the South became inevitable; the masters of European finance employed all their forces to bring it about and to turn it to their advantage.
- G. Edward Griffin, The Creature From Jekyll Island
“I have no purpose directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”
- Abraham Lincoln; Abraham Lincoln: Speeches and Writings, 1859-1895
History records that the “money changers” have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance.
Tsar Alexander II - who, incidentally, had never allowed a central bank to be established in Russia - notified Lincoln that he stood ready to militarily align with the North. [...] Knowing that war was being considered by his enemies, Tsar Alexander decided to play a chess game of his own. [...] The fact that neither France nor England at that time wanted to risk becoming involved in an open war with the United States and Russia led them to be extremely cautious with overt military aid to the South. [...] Without the inhibiting effect of the presence of the Russian fleet, the course of the war could have been significantly different.
- G. Edward Griffin, The Creature From Jekyll Island
During the 1850s and the American Civil War, cotton diplomacy was the idea that Britain and France required cotton from the South (see King Cotton). However, the Confederate States of America significantly overestimated the leverage that the cotton trade would give them.
Originally posted by FractalChaos13242017
great lil run down...
I usually just simply reply to people that claim that the Founding Fathers were apart of some big scheme to screw over people by saying 'you're crazy'... I like your approach better lol.
I'm still on the fence with Hamilton... I just think that his ideals gave invitation to corruption and/or exactly what we see today. Yet, that's just banking in general really...
I've posted this two times before on ATS... one more wont hurt. It's a fantastic lecture/talk about the founding fathers, banking and Alexander Hamilton.
Gotta love those libertarians... I give this video a 9/10
An interesting bit of history... often left out of the conversation when talking about banking and the civil war...
During the 1850s and the American Civil War, cotton diplomacy was the idea that Britain and France required cotton from the South (see King Cotton). However, the Confederate States of America significantly overestimated the leverage that the cotton trade would give them.
Good try Confederate States of America... a little economic war strategy that completely FAILS!
edit on 2-9-2012 by FractalChaos13242017 because: additional comment
Originally posted by Sinny
Nice thread Wanderer, I've also read Proofs, very fascinating book
Originally posted by MamaJ
Very insightful thread Op and I appreciate the way you broke it down. It is my belief even JFK tried to turn us around however we see what that got him.
So what do you see happening in the near future? Collapse? And then what!
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Once you begin to cite William Guy Carr and Eric Dubay as sources, you've lost credibility in my opinion, sorry. No good scholarship is founded on belief in faulty premises. You can't build a strong argument on a weak foundation.edit on 2012.9.2 by JoshNorton because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by emsed1
Hi,
I have a copy of "Proofs..." that was printed from the original plates by the Masonic Lodge of Research in my state. The original is very difficult to read because of that wacky "f without a line" for "s".
"Prooff of a Confpiracy againft all the Religionf and Governmentf of Europe... etc"
There is a link to a proper manuscript here:
Proofs of a Conspiracy against all the Religions and Governments of Europe, carried on in the secret meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati and Reading Societies
In fact, Sacred-Texts has just about any book that a Confpiracy Theorift would ever want. For free.
I think this is a great topic, and I'd love to chime in after I really digest it. As an observation, though, while the Freemasons and Illuminati in Europe weren't conspiring to destroy religion and government, they did gather in secret because they would be possibly killed if they discussed their egalitarian ideas in public.
You should brush up on the differences between United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) Freemasonry and Grand Orient of France (GODF) Freemasonry. Robison was a British Mason and what he was worried about was continental Freemasonry, not UGLE. Though the schism happened a bit later, the foundations were there. French Freemasonry allows women and atheists and can actively be involved in politics. Most of the rest of Freemasonry in the world is based on the British system, which disallows all of those things.
Originally posted by Wonderer2012
Thanks for the link, I believe that is the one I was using to read it. It is an incredible book, the level of detail and the fact Robison was a freemason himself, it's really interesting to say the least.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
If you get the time, read this and you'll find how weak Carr is too.
Originally posted by Wonderer2012
In reference to Eric Dubay, my thread is actually going against the conspiracy he believes on this occasion
Originally posted by Wonderer2012
Well, the Albert Pike letter was commented on as early as 1925.