The GOP Conspiracy – Hidden in Plain Site

Apologize for my snark in my previous response.

Last POTUS election cycle it was on the dems side with the PUMAS. This year it is the GOP. When the supporters of both sides realize that the main two parties do not represent anyone but the corporatocracy then maybe there will be some change.

Maybe...

I know on the federal level I will be voting for anyone but these two jokers we have dressed up for us.

reply to post by seabag


I forgot all about Cain to be honest. Was he even at the RNC? I dunno, he did seem to have some support for a while but then it just fizzled. (I'll be fair and say the media did screw him there) I don't miss the 999 used car salesmen speech though haha, was glad to be rid of it!

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I used to be a solid GOP supporter.

Bush and Cheney and Rumsfield and Rice and the rest of the Neo-cons turned me off the GOP, mostly that ******** Cheney.

You and many conservatives, though the alternative to Bush (both times) would have been far worse.

And with more Neo-cons representing the GOP, I`ll have to vote Obama again.

What do you see in Obama that’s better??

COME ON! Are you on welfare? I ask because, aside from handouts and wealth redistribution, Obama has done nothing good for this country.

I mean cmon man, you pay attention for once, a guy (McCain who came within a few % of being the POTUS) going around singing Bomb Iran.

This is the Party for you.............

No its not!

Not even close, brother!

Get back to me on this Obama vote thing you’re going with.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Wookiep

 

Trust me…it’s been said many times here on ATS and I certainly don’t get it! It makes sense to me that they would back Johnson but many have indicated other intentions.

You are correct in this statement. Your OP. Not too sure about. I am a proud member of the GOP. Full Fledged establishment, what you would call a RINO.

Honestly aren't we all Republicans in name only? I represent the status quo of the Republicans. The moderates. You are a neocon. Paul supporters are libertarians. We all use the republican symbology to get what we want. I just happen to be on the winning side Frankly I thought from the beginning that the tea party should make their own party. The libertarians should also stay in the Libertarian party.

I am quite happy that the GOP chose to go this route. Romney and others clearly did not want any crazies messing up their chances to beat Obama and after the horrendous selection of so-called conservatives that fringe bases came up with: Rick Santorum= Religious, Ron Paul= Libertarian, Michelle Bauchmann= crazy conservative chick etc... I don't blame them! Get off my lawn, leave my party, and stop whining when you lose! You hijacked this party from the start. Get a clue! The GOP has always been about big business and corporate rights. We also like to talk about the constitution and yell at the establishment democrats when they stray too far off the system!

In my mind the conservatives and the libertarians are the reason why the Republicans are painted as crazy religious nut jobs. You never hear about how the Romney-like people in the Republican Party are crazy (just evil rich pigs which we are used to anyway) I've known too many so-called republicans who fall into this category and I just shake my head at them. It's one thing to be passionate about something, but you gota be realistic too.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
You hijacked this party from the start. Get a clue!

^^ If you only knew, this guy has not read his history books. Doesn't know where the "GOP" came from, only believes what they tell him it is.

Would it blow your mind if I told that the republican party wasn't always what you think it is now?

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Yeah. I'm sorry I haven't read any libertarian propaganda....

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Well you should, because the first 100 years of our country and the beginning of your party is rooted in "Libertarian propaganda". There have been a few threads on ATS about the history of the Republican party, but I guess you didn't read them because they didn't coincide with your programming?

Unless of course, to you, fact is propaganda and propaganda is fact.

Originally posted by seabag

1. I’ve heard no call by the Tea Party for conservatives to break from the GOP (at least not from the national level). We all must agree at this point that the Tea Party at the national level has indeed been co-opted by the GOP. We’re being placated and used by the GOP and MSM!

2. I’ve heard no call by the RonPaulREVOLUTION for conservatives to break from the GOP. In fact, I’ve heard many paulites say they’re voting for Obama!! WTF? How can you possibly call yourself a conservative if you vote for a Marxist???

3. Where is the movement for conservative Americans to break from the GOP and the two-party fraudulent monopoly because I want to sign up!!!

1, Some fringers have called to join the conservative party, but it's too small and there is not enough conservatives pissed off at the GOP for this to happen.

2. Have you been paying attention? Paulbots either want to destroy the GOP from the inside out, or take it over. They lost so now they are going back to being democrat.

3. It's very small and tiny. The Tea Party was bought by the establishment early early on. Just like OWS was "bought" by far left anarchists....

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Imagine if OWS had turned ruthlessly violent, then imagine what you would think if I told you that is the history of your beloved Republican party.

Whoa! Whoa! Hold on a minute, nobody told you about this did they?

reply to post by RSF77


There were no libertarians during the time of the founding fathers! There were federalists and anti-federalists. So to say that all the founding fathers and the principles of this country are rooted in libertarian philosophy is laughable.

You can say that the libertarian ideas are based off the founding principles of this country but it can't work the other way, since there were no libertarians back then.

That's like saying, Jesus was a christian even though he was jewish and the christian religion was based off of his ideas, but you can't say Jesus was Christian, because he clearly didn't worship himself!

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by RSF77

 

There were no libertarians during the time of the founding fathers!

That's a funny statement for an American to make, regardless, argue semantics all you want but that isn't even what I'm talking about. The founding fathers were long gone, guess again.

You don't even have a clue what a Republican is, what it's supposed to be or where it came from. All you know is:

Republicans
Democrats

With not a clue in the world why. The average Ron Paul supporter knows more about your party than you do, but you call yourself a "status quo Republican" aka an "I believe whatever TV tells me Republican".

reply to post by RSF77


aren't libertarians anti war?

The Revolutionary War started this country
The War of 1812 solidified our independence
The Mexican American War (Texas independence)
The Civil War- Americas bloodiest war. Brother against brother.

We have always had a neocon streak it seems!

You can't be against the system when forming a system. That's contradictory. You paul supporters seem to think that the Founding Fathers were these great anti-establishment revolutionaries, when in reality they were just building a better government!

Originally posted by RSF77
Republicans

Democrats

With not a clue in the world why. The average Ron Paul supporter knows more about your party than you do, but you call yourself a "status quo Republican" aka an "I believe whatever TV tells me Republican".

edit on 2-9-2012 by RSF77 because: (no reason given)

You do realize I have a thread labelled "Political Views" listed in my signature right? It perfectly outlines what I believe and why. Not sure why you make crap like this up!

reply to post by jjf3rd77

Honestly aren't we all Republicans in name only? I represent the status quo of the Republicans. The moderates. You are a neocon. Paul supporters are libertarians.

I’m not a neocon, I’m a conservative and, to use a phrase coined by Jessie Ventura, I’m “Libertarian Lite”. Neocons are people like GB, Dick Cheney, John Boehner, John McCain et al. The neocons are the status quo establishment Republicans. I don’t think you know the true definition of neocon.

Neoconservatism (or new conservatism) is rooted in a group of former liberals, who in the late 1960s, began to embrace nationalism and interventionism in opposition to the rise of the USSR and moved significantly to the right of the spectrum. The term "neoconservative" (sometimes shortened to "neocon") was initially used in the 1930s, to describe American liberals who criticized communists for following a path closer to Soviet communism.

Neoconservative foreign policy is a descendant of Wilsonian idealism. Neoconservatives support democracy promotion by the U.S. and other democracies, based on the claim that they think that human rights belong to everyone. They criticized the United Nations and detente with the Soviet Union. On domestic policy, they support a welfare state, like European and Canadian conservatives and unlike U.S. social conservatives. According to Norman Podhoretz, "the neo-conservatives dissociated themselves from the wholesale opposition to the welfare state which had marked American conservatism since the days of the New Deal" and . . . while neoconservatives supported "setting certain limits" to the welfare state, those limits did not involve "issues of principle, such as the legitimate size and role of the central government in the American constitutional order" but were to be "determined by practical considerations."

wiki

Neocons are big government Republicans like those you advocate for. I’m for limited government and I’m against the welfare state.

I am quite happy that the GOP chose to go this route. Romney and others clearly did not want any crazies messing up their chances to beat Obama and after the horrendous selection of so-called conservatives that fringe bases came up with: Rick Santorum= Religious, Ron Paul= Libertarian, Michelle Bauchmann= crazy conservative chick etc... I don't blame them! Get off my lawn, leave my party, and stop whining when you lose! You hijacked this party from the start. Get a clue!

Leave my party? The GOP of today is a bunch of neocons that have highjacked the republican party! The GOP used to be conservative….it is you who needs a clue.

The GOP has always been about big business and corporate rights. We also like to talk about the constitution and yell at the establishment democrats when they stray too far off the system!

You got that right! You like to “TALK” about the constitution and then do the exact opposite. TARP and the bailouts are neocon ideas and they’re unconstitutional! The Patriot act and NDAA are both unconstitutional usurpations of power and neocons and liberals alike were ALL OVER IT!

The establishment parties on both sides are destroying this country IMO. It’s time conservatives break from the GOP since our efforts to take the party back from the neocon establishment are failing.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by neo96

 

Don't see how they could vote that way but they will.

The fact is both sides call themselves labels they are not the winner of elections has become who lies the best.

I know they will…many have said so.

Both political parties are indeed facades hiding the singular agenda while superficially hinting at the real and distinct ideologies that back them with votes.

I subscribe to the conservative ideology and I’ve said dozens of times here on ATS that I HAVE NEVER had a candidate that represents me even 90%...NEVER!

I’m tired of it….when will the conservative break from the GOP happen?

Ron Paul has been the figure head for the liberty movement the last 4 years and he has advocated the strategy of taking back the GOP. However we see the GOP establishment has pulled out all the stops to make sure that does not happen from vote fraud in the primaries to the blatant cheating everyone saw at the convention. Had the GOP actually played by their own rules seated the Main delegates and others who won seats fair and square that they blocked in violation of their own rules then changed the rules it is obvious it would have been a brokered convention.

But with this kind of blatant cheating the Liberty movement has to ask themselves is it worth continuing to try and put new wine in old bottles or should they take on the monumental task of creating a new party. I left the GOP in 2008 after I saw the same things they did to Ron Paul as they did this time. I agree its time for a new party.

The reason is even though it is an uphill battle there is enough discontent that it just might work. The time it would take to truly get enough people involved to take over the GOP and take it back would be better spent building a new 3rd party IMO. And use of the internet will be the main medium since the MSM is still bought and paid for.

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Amen Brother!

You are witnessing an internal Republican coup.

A portion of the party is attempting to isolate themselves and their extreme views, all while trying to drag the entire party with it.

You know it's bad when even the staunchest of conservatives are taking a step back and saying "wow, what's going on here?.

reply to post by seabag


Oh please...

Does anyone think that the conservative movement will do anything other than fall in line with the GOP/neocons.

They won't write in Ron or Gary or any third party candidate; the GOP knows this full well.

The Bush era neocons never left they just stayed quiet and furthered their agenda behind the scenes. They didn't hijack the GOP.

The neocons are brilliant, ruthless, powerful and know how to play the electorate like a 10 dollar fiddle.

I hope Romney does get in and shows the Americans how corporate fascism really works.

Obama will be remembered as the "good old days"

Originally posted by Wookiep
reply to post by seabag

 

I’ve heard no call by the RonPaulREVOLUTION for conservatives to break from the GOP. In fact, I’ve heard many paulites say they’re voting for Obama!

Where are you hearing this, do you have any sources to back that up? I don't know ONE Ron Paul supporter who isn't either a: Writing in Ron Paul or b: Voting Gary Johnson.

I'm with you, I can't imagine any Ron Paul supporters voting for obama. That makes ZERO sense. I can see writing in Ron Paul, but there are enough states that don't allow write-in candidates that a vote for Gary Johnson would be more effective.

To be honest, I feel it is all theatrics at this point. The GOP doesn't want Ron Paul because he could take voters from obama and win the election. They want Romney because he won't take voters from obama and will not win.

The US is steaming full speed towards the fiscal/economic & war iceberg and it appears they don't want to be at the helm.

I heard all I needed from Romney when he was asked a question about the constitution during the debates. He didn't know the answer so he tried a smartass comment as an insult "ask Ron Paul, he's the constitutional scholar".

There is no way in Hell I will vote for anyone who doesn't know the constitution and/or thinks being a "constitutional scholar" is derogatory. I vow in all future elections to vote for the best candidate not simply against someone or for the "lesser of two evils". If everyone wakes up and does the same we could get some decent men and women in office, assuming the whole system is not already broken and corrupted beyond repair.

Originally posted by wardk28
reply to post by seabag

 

I strongly believe that a Romney presidency won't be much different than the current one and the GOP has already made arrangements for the backlash.

There will be no Romney presidency, the odds of him winning are worse than McCain's odds last time around. They are counting on GOP voters simply voting for whoever the party picks, you know, business as usual. Problem is they have done so much to alienate many of us that many won't be doing that, losing just 5% of your base is a huge loss, especially is a close race.