Two Afghan children beheaded in separate incidents

No words..

KABUL (Reuters) - An adolescent boy and a young girl have been beheaded in two separate incidents in Afghanistan, local officials and police said on Friday, in the latest brazen attacks that have raised fresh questions about a splintering Taliban.

A 12-year-old boy was kidnapped and killed in southern Kandahar province on Wednesday, his severed head placed near his body to send a warning to police, said provincial governor spokesman Jawid Faisal.
news.yahoo.com...

Another day in Barbarian-land.

reply to post by all2human


@his severed head placed near his body to send a warning to police

CANNOT WAIT TILL THE LIGHT* FINDS ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES ON THIS ENTIRE PLANT SMH SAD/WEAK-EVOL

May the sent rest in peace away from this ignorance. there is no excuse to act like this to send messages

Simply barbaric. There's no words to describe such evil actions. It's stories like this that make me ashamed of being part of the human race.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Another day in Barbarian-land.

lol you are supposed to be a scholar
so act like one

barbarians?
pot calling the kettle black methinks

this is what the party massacre and these beheadings remind me of:

Phoenix_Program

The Phoenix Program (Vietnamese: Chiến dịch Phụng Hoàng, a word related to fenghuang, the Chinese phoenix) was a counterinsurgency program designed, coordinated, and executed by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), United States special operations forces, and the Republic of Vietnam's (South Vietnam) security apparatus during the Vietnam War.

The Program was designed to identify and "neutralize" (via infiltration, capture, terrorism, torture, and assassination) the civilian infrastructure supporting the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam (NLF or Viet Cong) insurgency. The major two components of the program were Provincial Reconnaissance Units (PRUs) and regional interrogation centers. PRUs would kill suspected VC, and terrorize and capture civilians who were thought to have information on VC activities. These civilians were then taken to the interrogation centers where they were tortured in an attempt to gain intelligence on VC activities in the area.[1] Few of the prisoners survived -- most of them were tortured to death, and those that survived the torture sessions were generally killed afterwards.[2] The information extracted at the centers was then given to military commanders, who would use it to task the PRU with further capture and assassination missions.[1]

The program was in operation between 1965 and 1972, and similar efforts existed both before and after that period. By 1972, Phoenix operatives had "neutralized" 81,740 suspected NLF supporters, of whom 26,369 were killed.[3]
***
Torture
A Viet Cong prisoner awaiting interrogation by U.S. troops, following the Tet Offensive of 1968

Common methods of torture used at the interrogation centers included:

"Rape, gang rape, rape using eels, snakes, or hard objects, and rape followed by murder; electric shock ('the Bell Telephone Hour') rendered by attaching wires to the genitals or other sensitive parts of the body, like the tongue; the 'water treatment'; the 'airplane' in which the prisoner's arms were tied behind the back, and the rope looped over a hook on the ceiling, suspending the prisoner in midair, after which he or she was beaten; beatings with rubber hoses and whips; the use of police dogs to maul prisoners."[9]

Military intelligence officer K. Milton Osborne witnessed the following use of torture:

"The use of the insertion of the 6-inch dowel into the canal of one of my detainee's ears, and the tapping through the brain until dead. The starvation to death (in a cage), of a Vietnamese woman who was suspected of being part of the local political education cadre in one of the local villages ... The use of electronic gear such as sealed telephones attached to ... both the women's vaginas and men's testicles [to] shock them into submission."[10]

Targeted killings

Lieutenant Vincent Okamoto, an intelligence-liaison officer for the Phoenix Program for two months in 1968 and a recipient of the Distinguished Service Cross said the following:[11][12]
“ The problem was, how do you find the people on the blacklist? It's not like you had their address and telephone number. The normal procedure would be to go into a village and just grab someone and say, 'Where's Nguyen so-and-so?' Half the time the people were so afraid they would not say anything. Then a Phoenix team would take the informant, put a sandbag over his head, poke out two holes so he could see, put commo wire around his neck like a long leash, and walk him through the village and say, 'When we go by Nguyen's house scratch your head.' Then that night Phoenix would come back, knock on the door, and say, 'April Fool, mother#er.' Whoever answered the door would get wasted. As far as they were concerned whoever answered was a Communist, including family members. Sometimes they'd come back to camp with ears to prove that they killed people.
***
After Phoenix Program abuses began receiving negative publicity, the program was officially shut down. However, another program of a similar nature, code-named "F-6", was initiated as Phoenix was phased out.

barbarism indeed
so when caught in the act they just change the names and Business as Usual

note that the barbarism continues to this day in places like gitmo, abu gharib, etc

Operation_Condor

Operation Condor (Spanish: Operación Cóndor, also known as Plan Cóndor, Portuguese: Operação Condor), was a campaign of political repression and terror involving assassination and intelligence operations officially implemented in 1975 by the right-wing dictatorships of the Southern Cone of South America. The program aimed to eradicate alleged socialist and communist influence and ideas and to control active or potential opposition movements against the participating governments.[1]

Due to its clandestine nature, the precise number of deaths directly attributable to Operation Condor is highly disputed. It is estimated that a minimum of 60,000 deaths can be attributed to Condor,[2] possibly more.[3][4][5] Condor's key members were the governments in Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia and Brazil. The United States provided technical support and supplied military aid to the participants until at least 1978, with Ecuador and Peru joining later in more peripheral roles.[6]

just substitute taliban for commies or VC

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


All nice and good...

No comment on THESE beheadings?

I know from your posting history that you have a woody against the US/West by pointing out the faults of others [Which it should but] while ignoring these heinous action seems like a pretty obvious ploy....

Just an observation

On-Topic...

AND Still some here support these guys.
This is the type of action that many Afghans themselves hate and why the majority do not support the return of the Taliban to power. They also want the US/West out as well. The average Afghans are stuck between a rock and hard place.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

 

All nice and good...

No comment on THESE beheadings?

I know from your posting history that you have a woody against the US/West by pointing out the faults of others [Which it should but] while ignoring these heinous action seems like a pretty obvious ploy....

Just an observation

On-Topic...

AND Still some here support these guys.
This is the type of action that many Afghans themselves hate and why the majority do not support the return of the Taliban to power. They also want the US/West out as well. The average Afghans are stuck between a rock and hard place.

edit on 31-8-2012 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

hiya slayer
just wanted to point out the possibility is all
what with everyone ASSuming[translation swallowing]things

especially when the local police dont know shiz and have every reason to make stuff up
from OP's source parenthesis are mine: news.yahoo.com...

A 12-year-old boy was kidnapped and killed in southern Kandahar province on Wednesday, his severed head placed near his body to send a warning to police, said provincial governor spokesman[american puppet] Jawid Faisal.

The brother of the boy, neither of whom were named by officials, was a member of the Afghan Local Police (ALP), a U.S.-trained militia charged with making Afghans in Taliban strongholds, like Kandahar, feel more secure[lol, good job

], Faisal said.

"It's a Taliban warning to the ALP and to others who support the government," Faisal [self-servicingly]said of the killing, which happened in Kandahar's Panjwai district.

oh look!

Taliban spokesman Qari Yousuf denied the group was involved.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

 

This is the type of action that many Afghans themselves hate

exactly, so why get on afghans bad side hmmm?
doesnt make sense, does it?

Separately, a 6-year-old girl was beheaded in eastern Kapisa province on Thursday, said provincial police chief Abdul Hamed.

"We are not sure if she was beheaded by her family or the Taliban, but we know the Taliban control the area," Hamed said of the killing in Jalukhil village. He added that he could not send investigators to the area out of fears for their safety.

The murders follow the shooting or beheading of 17 young revelers attending a party in southern Helmand province this week, which officials said[how convinient

] was the work of the Taliban, a charge the group also denied.

while the taliban could be lying
i've no reason to automatically trust police-trustees
or government officials who owe their positions to foreign invaders do i now?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

 

All nice and good...

No comment on THESE beheadings?

I know from your posting history that you have a woody against the US/West by pointing out the faults of others [Which it should but] while ignoring these heinous action seems like a pretty obvious ploy....

Just an observation

please visit my profile. a work in progress [that needs more work, true]
where it should become readily apparent that i am all for the destruction of the state
and the current diseased society, self-empowerment, and self reliance

my posting history also shows that i am a vocal Anarchist
[now officially a terrorist by recent government edict]

woody, nope i am not sexually attracted to psychos or authoritarians
3 years of my childhood were spent living with a murderous sociopath, my father
so i've developed a sort of immunity as well as a psycho-dar
that not only can sniff psychos out from miles away
but i can tell where they've been too, of course mileage will vary

throw in well over 35 years of studying history, parapolitics, psychology, ponerology, and a variety of other subjects
scientific and esoteric;

and i think i deserve a little more credit than to be implicitely
accused of being one sided and "while ignoring these heinous action[s]"

or having a woody for subhuman psychopaths and their misdeeds

my "beef" is with authoritarians, states, and their enabling institutions
not nescesarily individuals [of course the ones responsable for these crimes should be made examples of, horrifying examples IMO]

i've allways followed the tenet "embrace the good and spurn the evil "
but really slayer, there isnt much good left to embrace re the west these days

truth is the jury is still out on this one so i prefer to not go with the crowd as it is usually wrong
thus i've provided a little needed balance

"those who ignore the lessons of history..." and all that

i'm pretty sure between the 2 of us paying a visit as "journalists"
we'd get to the truth of the matter in no time at all

and while i know your training will be very useful on a day to day basis
it'll be me who gets us both out alive in the end.

reply to post by all2human


Beheaded a couple of KIDS to "send a message" to the POLICE?

Chicken-# sons of bitches. What happened to the good old days when a man would engage the guys he was pissed off at? Oh, right... that doesn't apply when cowardice is at play....

So who wants to "negotiate" with the Taliban again? I GOT yer damned "negotiation"... it's hangin' right here..

Chicken-# sons of bitches.

Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by all2human

 

Beheaded a couple of KIDS to "send a message" to the POLICE?

Chicken-# sons of bitches. What happened to the good old days when a man would engage the guys he was pissed off at? Oh, right... that doesn't apply when cowardice is at play....

So who wants to "negotiate" with the Taliban again? I GOT yer damned "negotiation"... it's hangin' right here..

Chicken-# sons of bitches.

99% in agreement with you
re chickenshiz and lowlife behaviour
1% in disagreement re jumping the gun and placing blame

you're welcome to join slayer and i [see above post]
as long as ATS [or some one else] covers expenses for us
and slayer does the write-up

Another sign, that humanity will NEVER change.

Sad.

Originally posted by sonnny1
Another sign, that humanity will NEVER change.

Sad.

Has and will. Its the WHEAT and CHAFF separation PROCESS that will show the proof of that.

NAMASTE*******

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


While it's not 100 percent certain, it does follow some of the older guerrilla doctrine pretty closely. It's tried and true, for ages past now, to perpetrate acts like this NOT to send a message to the police, but to send a message to the populace instead. the objective in such cases is to show the populace that the government cannot protect them, and so their only hope is to throw in their lot with the guerrillas.

There are ways to effectively combat that doctrine, but in the case of current Afghanistan, I'm not sure they could be employed effectively, because the politicians and brass have made such a gawdawful mess of the entire operation.

The most effective counter is to agree with the guerrillas, state plainly that the government CAN'T protect you from them, and then organize and arm villages to be able to protect themselves. You empower THEM to look after their own defense, rather than insisting they should rely on a governmental defense that plainly isn't working. this has a variety of benefits, from boosting their self-confidence to making friends of the villagers to showing them that you trust them, and in turn fostering trust.

Given the horrendous cockup the politicians and brass have made in Afghanistan, however, I have my doubts that this particular counter could be effectively initiated at all. Probably too much water under the bridge already, and too much mistrust already in place to make it work.

I'd go on your trip, but I've decided I'm not going back out for any thing at all. I've not lost anything that's salvageable out there.

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


Well, I pray for a quicker response time, on the separation bit..........

Tired of all the hate.


Peace.

reply to post by SLAYER69

This is the type of action that many Afghans themselves hate and why the majority do not support the return of the Taliban to power. They also want the US/West out as well. The average Afghans are stuck between a rock and hard place.

The difference being - one kills the bad guys while the other thinks everyone who doesn’t bow down to the Taliban IS the bad guy.

Freedom is something they are going to have to fight for on their own………it's their choice and I hope they make the right one.

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by Ophiuchus 13

 

Well, I pray for a quicker response time, on the separation bit..........

Tired of all the hate.


Peace.

Your prayer ANSWERS may be CLOSER then you think my friend. Patience is important as WE DO want them to have everything figured out so its PRECISION and not messy all wheat & chaff marked and THEN.... So for now I take in all I can of this old old old world for when the day arrives this no longer will be the same. 1 IS TIRED AS WELL sonny1 its just sad to know theses beings who did this still get to walk among the rest of the population while they have blood of children on their hands those who can see them see them IF THEY ONLY KNEW.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


There's a difference between war and cutting 2 kid's heads off, which beheading people is a common practice over there, and that's what they'd do to you for not following after their demon. Stealing is wrong, but murder is worse by far because not only did they take 2 kids lives, they took what they cannot give back.

reply to post by nenothtu




100% in agreement this time
and given the cases of afghan police officers going postal
for reasons that remain to be seen,
[perhaps my hypothethical phoenix prog?, though taliban infiltration is not out,
though i suppose we should call it ʕankaʕoo answers.yahoo.com...]
handing weapons to the locals would be suicidal for the troops

perhaps if the politicians had instead of invading for lithium
[among a whole lot of other reasons] they'd taken some...

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

but we dont know who did it yet, its still in the "he said, she said" stage
just pointing out that these communiques delivered via MSM
need to be taken with a pound of salt,
"pressed down and shaken for good Measure".

we live in an age of disinfo and propaganda, weapons of war that they are
if a hypothetical ʕankaʕoo program were active they certainly wouldn't have killed those poor kids in a fashion that would lead observers to question the talibs did it, would they?

i'm no friend of the taliban, dominionists, zionists or any other kind of religious fanatic

Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by all2human

 

Beheaded a couple of KIDS to "send a message" to the POLICE?

Chicken-# sons of bitches. What happened to the good old days when a man would engage the guys he was pissed off at? Oh, right... that doesn't apply when cowardice is at play....

Ah ..... like the chicken# cowardice at play when missile drones slaughter civilians wholesale? Or would that be the chicken# cowardice involved in contaminating large swaths of the middle east with DU? Or could it be the chicken# cowardice involved in NorthCom's massive "wargames" over American cities?

It sounds to me like you are a victim of our USDA Grade A propaganda.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


I think they've lost their way so badly that they can't make The Phoenix fly in Afghanistan. They don't have enough trustworthy Afghan cadre any more to set up the PRU's.

The Postal Police seem to me to be indicative of two other things:1) infiltration by the Taliban, and 2) general dissatisfaction with the way their American "friends" are running the show. that latter is what leads me to believe they can't make The Phoenix fly there. Politicians and generals have hamstrung the efforts of the Real Serious People by injection of too many troops and too much "political correctness" that flies in the face of running a real war. They should, in my opinion, have left it in the hands of the Special Ops guys from the various branches, rather than flooding the country with regulars in a weird attempt to get medals and kudos for the leg brass.

If they had left in in the SpecOps hands, and run it mostly using Afghan troops like the northern Alliance, we'd be out of there by now, and the Taliban would be all but extinct, and most definitely non-functional. Using the locals to run their own liberation does have definite advantages that I'm sure you can see, not to mention the fact that a massive influx of foreign ground troops was sure to foster discontent in Afghanistan, and then we get what we have there now.

Originally posted by jcarpenter

Ah ..... like the chicken# cowardice at play when missile drones slaughter civilians wholesale? Or would that be the chicken# cowardice involved in contaminating large swaths of the middle east with DU? Or could it be the chicken# cowardice involved in NorthCom's massive "wargames" over American cities?

It sounds to me like you are a victim of our USDA Grade A propaganda.

No, that's a whole different flavor of chicken #. It doesn't taste much different than the sort that employs propaganda talking points in lieu of informative discussion.

Note that it isn't ME using the propaganda talking points - i.e. ""wholesale slaughter of civilians", DU contamination of large swaths", "wargames over American cities", and all the other entirely emotional appeals bereft of logic.

You should brush thoroughly after eating that sort - or after spitting it back out, like in that post.